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Old 07-24-2013, 10:03 AM   #18526
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I am merely statimg that the oem battery is an eyesore and looks cheap and very old.
I guess you expect more visual appeal from your car battery than I do. My car battery could look like a dog turd for all I care, as long as it cranks the engine.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:10 AM   #18527
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Im not saying that its detrimental...
The conversation had shifted and batteries were being discussed. I gave my opinion. I even stated that it functions fine. Why so snarky, man?
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:29 AM   #18528
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Im not saying that its detrimental...
The conversation had shifted and batteries were being discussed. I gave my opinion. I even stated that it functions fine. Why so snarky, man?
Just expressing my opinion in response to your opinion. You've called the factory battery "cheap looking" and "an eyesore". My opinion is "Who cares, as long as it does its job?"

In the same way that you think it's stupid for people to replace a perfectly good oil fill cap or battery tie downs because the factory parts work just fine (I agree), my point is that it's also stupid for people to replace a battery because it's cheap looking and an eyesore, as long as it starts the car. That's its job.

Tell me that the factory battery can't successfully start your car, and I'll sympathetically agree that it should be replaced. Tell me that it's an eyesore and looks cheap (but functions perfectly), and I'll simply shrug and announce that my indifference is overwhelming.

If the ugly battery bothers you, then replace it. It will cost you $100 to $200, depending on what battery you select. Probably won't break the bank for most of us. Do whatever makes you happy. It's your money to spend as you please. You earned your money. It's not my place to tell you how to spend it.

But I don't have to agree with that expenditure. I intend to keep my cheap, ugly factory battery until I notice that it's struggling to crank the engine. If that happens this winter, I'll replace it then. It that happens next winter, I'll replace it then. But I won't replace it because it's an eyesore.

Can we agree to disagree on this?
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:33 AM   #18529
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Well, just took our car in for service for a short laundry list of items:
Remote start recall
Loud noise coming out of the front bearings
Passenger Side Airbag shutting off when I sit my heavy ass in the seat. Doesn't happen to my wife or my mom. So they should be able to plug in and see that the sensor shut off while I was in it two weekends ago, right? I don't want them coming back to me saying they couldn't replicate it.
The seat thing is a TSB recall. A quick search/scan through the forums will show a couple hundred reports of it easily. Every time I've had an issue with it, it's been someone who's "Big Boned". That, or when someone scrawny is moving around in it too much trying to take a picture out the window of the Subarus following us on a cruise.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:45 AM   #18530
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I do agree with you...
And my stock battery was still in my 2012 after 28,000 miles.
Now I have my xv. I will keep the stock battery for maybe the next year. But I think I want a more powerful, more modern agm battery and I probably won't wait for the stock one to die.
Fwiw I get really great deals on batteries. Wholesale cost thanks to our parts dep and warehouse.
But yeah when I pop open the hood the whole engine bay looks very nice and I like the layout.
I actually do like you Steve, you are an intelligent and level headed guy. I tend to agree with you more than you may think. So sorry if i seem like I'm arguing with you- that would not be my intent.
Plus you have much better writing and vocabulary skills than I do!
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:50 AM   #18531
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I do agree with you...
And my stock battery was still in my 2012 after 28,000 miles.
Now I have my xv. I will keep the stock battery for maybe the next year. But I think I want a more powerful, more modern agm battery and I probably won't wait for the stock one to die.
Fwiw I get really great deals on batteries. Wholesale cost thanks to our parts dep and warehouse.
But yeah when I pop open the hood the whole engine bay looks very nice and I like the layout.
I actually do like you Steve, you are an intelligent and level headed guy. I tend to agree with you more than you may think. So sorry if i seem like I'm arguing with you- that would not be my intent.
Plus you have much better writing and vocabulary skills than I do!
The only agm battery that fits our car is the Odyssey/Diehard Platinum :-(
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:54 AM   #18532
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Then we're good. And I know you and I agree most of the time. But when I hear people complain about the appearance of something that completely hidden 99% of the time (like a battery that's under the hood), my reflex response is to roll my eyes.

It's not like our Imprezas/Crosstreks are classic show cars all lined up with the hoods open for people to admire. They're daily drivers with one primary job to do--get us from here to there without fuss or drama. I bought my Impreza because it does that very well, regardless of weather conditions, and regardless of what the battery looks like.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:58 AM   #18533
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Then we're good. And I know you and I agree most of the time. But when I hear people complain about the appearance of something that completely hidden 99% of the time (like a battery that's under the hood), my reflex response is to roll my eyes.

It's not like our Imprezas/Crosstreks are classic show cars all lined up with the hoods open for people to admire. They're daily drivers with one primary job to do--get us from here to there without fuss or drama. I bought my Impreza because it does that very well, regardless of weather conditions, and regardless of what the battery looks like.
The first thing I thought when I popped the hood was "what a cheap battery" then I looked at the level, saw 390CCA, lol'd, and closed the hood.

But the looks didn't make me want to replace it, if it had around 500CCA like most of the basic group 35 batteries, I would be more than content to run it till it dies, but as it doesn't and the performance reinforced my initial opinion, it got replaced.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:09 AM   #18534
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The only agm battery that fits our car is the Odyssey/Diehard Platinum :-(
So this thread got me curious enough about AGM batteries to do a little research. Here's the page I read:


Pay particular attention to the bulleted list in the "Comparison with flooded lead-acid cells" section. After reading that list, I'm not seeing an overwhelming advantage for our automotive application. AGM batteries are more expensive, less reliable, charge more slowly, are intolerant of overcharging, and have a shorter life (when compared to a well-maintained wet-cell battery).

I like maintaining my car, so I don't mind checking the electrolyte levels in my wet-cell battery. The advantage of being able to mount the battery in any position doesn't matter to me; my battery remains upright 100% of the time.

So what's the point for us of buying an AGM battery?
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:14 AM   #18535
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The first thing I thought when I popped the hood was "what a cheap battery" then I looked at the level, saw 390CCA, lol'd, and closed the hood.

But the looks didn't make me want to replace it, if it had around 500CCA like most of the basic group 35 batteries, I would be more than content to run it till it dies, but as it doesn't and the performance reinforced my initial opinion, it got replaced.
I have to say- that is pretty much how I reacted. I then went and was astounded that the sti and wrx on tje showroom floor had the same thing! I just figured it was a cost saving measure by the bean counters at fhi. But it is the chintziest battery I've seen in the last two decades. I even chuckled with the salesmen about the cheapo batteries.
But I do agree with Steve that as long as they crank the car, they really arent that bad. Mine lasted pretty well.
With my xv, I'm into upgrades amd some mods, and a nice new sealed battery sounds like a worthwhile thing to.upgrade to. Probably next year. I'm going to add aux lighting front and rear, and also will be installing a good sound system.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:21 AM   #18536
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All this talk about the battery has me wondering about the amp I'm about to install in my car - do you think the stock battery will be OK with the amp? The amp is only a 50w x 4 channel amp, and I'll only be using 2 channels atm
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:22 AM   #18537
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So this thread got me curious enough about AGM batteries to do a little research. Here's the page I read:

VRLA battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pay particular attention to the bulleted list in the "Comparison with flooded lead-acid cells" section. After reading that list, I'm not seeing an overwhelming advantage for our automotive application. AGM batteries are more expensive, less reliable, charge more slowly, are intolerant of overcharging, and have a shorter life (when compared to a well-maintained wet-cell battery).

I like maintaining my car, so I don't mind checking the electrolyte levels in my wet-cell battery. The advantage of being able to mount the battery in any position doesn't matter to me; my battery remains upright 100% of the time.

So what's the point for us of buying an AGM battery?
In my Kawasaki, I went with an agm because it had lots more cca and was half the size and considerably lighter than its wet-cell counterpart.
Idk about in a car. I know my friend has had an agm in his celica for four years and he even has a huge stereo. I *think* its a power/packaging advantage.
I will likely go with whatever battery I can get my discount on that is more powerful and will fit. I havent looked into it yet, I'm just starting to consider the idea of what battery to replace mine with when I do decide to upgrade.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:00 PM   #18538
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So I'm pretty much set on getting the 19mm STi bar. Question is: what endlinks/other equipment should I get? I've heard staying stock isn't a good idea. I have all the stock components under there... what should I replace that will get the best out of the new swaybar?
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:10 PM   #18539
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I stayed with my stock end links.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:44 PM   #18540
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I stayed with my stock end links.

I've gotten to that point, honestly. I've had more than my share of aftermarket endlink issues, mostly excessive noise and improper fitment. Unless you are going really oversize on the bar or this is a track car, the stock endlinks are sufficient.

Aftermarket spherical endlinks? Pass. The only aftermarkets that I would go with would be a solid like Kartboy. Just my 2 cents...
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:16 PM   #18541
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So this thread got me curious enough about AGM batteries to do a little research. Here's the page I read:

Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA_battery

Pay particular attention to the bulleted list in the "Comparison with flooded lead-acid cells" section. After reading that list, I'm not seeing an overwhelming advantage for our automotive application. AGM batteries are more expensive, less reliable, charge more slowly, are intolerant of overcharging, and have a shorter life (when compared to a well-maintained wet-cell battery).

I like maintaining my car, so I don't mind checking the electrolyte levels in my wet-cell battery. The advantage of being able to mount the battery in any position doesn't matter to me; my battery remains upright 100% of the time.

So what's the point for us of buying an AGM battery?
I have only had positive experiences with agm batteries, and they last longer for me living in this part of the country. What was the last wet cell you had that lasted 9.5 years? It's all about proper charging technique, 10a will damage it, 2a or less is safe. But if your battery is completely drained you have other issues

Also more CCA then conventional batteries of the same dimensions, which when it is -20f and I am somewhere I can't plug in my car I know it will start
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:29 PM   #18542
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Also more CCA then conventional batteries of the same dimensions, which when it is -20f and I am somewhere I can't plug in my car I know it will start
Makes sense for you. Your winters are much more harsh than they are in western NY.

Let's put it this way. In my neck of the woods, houses are insulated and home heating systems are sized to accommodate a 0 degree F day. The heating/insulation system is designed to be perfectly balanced so that on a 0 degree F day, the furnace will run continuously, but will be able to maintain the internal temperature. As soon as the outdoor temp falls below 0 degrees F, the house's internal temp would start to fall, and the thermostat would never be satisfied.

I'm guessing the insulation and heating system codes are significantly different in ND.
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:31 PM   #18543
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Ive had my car over a year... Just realized I had the HD radio turned off this entire time ...

Turned it on because I was bored sitting in traffic and was playing with random settings. I know most people on here don't listen to FM radio but HD radio is pretty awesome
First impression: Sound quality much better and a single station can have multiple channels
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:49 PM   #18544
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Makes sense for you. Your winters are much more harsh than they are in western NY.

Let's put it this way. In my neck of the woods, houses are insulated and home heating systems are sized to accommodate a 0 degree F day. The heating/insulation system is designed to be perfectly balanced so that on a 0 degree F day, the furnace will run continuously, but will be able to maintain the internal temperature. As soon as the outdoor temp falls below 0 degrees F, the house's internal temp would start to fall, and the thermostat would never be satisfied.

I'm guessing the insulation and heating system codes are significantly different in ND.
i have no idea, but even my house built circa 1945, my heaters (i have baseboard electric heat) don't run continuously when it gets that cold, but at -20 (not often, but it happens) they run much closer to continously and do have a more difficult time keeping up with demands. I have to assume the newer homes are built to withstand colder temps, even though the average low in January is -1F IIRC

for cars, everyone who is from this part of the country knows to buy the battery with the most CCA you can afford, in my case it is the battery i just purchased. most group 35's are 490-550CCA, there are a few over 600, but nothing over 700 unless you go AGM
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Ive had my car over a year... Just realized I had the HD radio turned off this entire time ...

Turned it on because I was bored sitting in traffic and was playing with random settings. I know most people on here don't listen to FM radio but HD radio is pretty awesome
First impression: Sound quality much better and a single station can have multiple channels
yes, HD is very good sounding, there aren't much for stations around here though. I just listen to SAT
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I've gotten to that point, honestly. I've had more than my share of aftermarket endlink issues, mostly excessive noise and improper fitment. Unless you are going really oversize on the bar or this is a track car, the stock endlinks are sufficient.

Aftermarket spherical endlinks? Pass. The only aftermarkets that I would go with would be a solid like Kartboy. Just my 2 cents...
I've been eyeing KartBoy endlinks. Everyone who has 'em that I know absolutely love them. I worry that upgrading the Sway bar with the kind of driving I do without getting a stronger endlink could cause problems down the road. KartBoy endlinks with the STi swaybar seem like a good fit and was what I originally had in my head before taking a step back to consider other options first.
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I've been eyeing KartBoy endlinks. Everyone who has 'em that I know absolutely love them. I worry that upgrading the Sway bar with the kind of driving I do without getting a stronger endlink could cause problems down the road. KartBoy endlinks with the STi swaybar seem like a good fit and was what I originally had in my head before taking a step back to consider other options first.

I've had the best luck with Kartboys. Tom makes great products and they have supported the Subaru community for a long time

The other option would be seeing if any STi owners are selling their stock endlinks and maybe save a few bucks.
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Ive had my car over a year... Just realized I had the HD radio turned off this entire time ...

Turned it on because I was bored sitting in traffic and was playing with random settings. I know most people on here don't listen to FM radio but HD radio is pretty awesome
First impression: Sound quality much better and a single station can have multiple channels
Since you have a limited, there is a "Secret" Audio menu that results in a better sound (in case you didn't know):

#1049 of 1072 Limited none-nav stereo by bobdole888
Apr 11, 2012 (12:02 pm)
Replying to: al_wbl (Apr 10, 2012 7:50 pm)
For those of you with limited Impreza without NAV, who are not happy with the quality of sound there is good news!

There is a secret menu that allow for further tweaking of audio settings.
Apparently Subaru has force 2 settings to be on:
Loudness
EQ (Don't know what Subaru set this to)

I don't really like the sound coming out with these setting on.
With them turned off, the sounds seem less muffled and more natural.
I also don't like the SRS processing and turned that off.
With just some normal +bass and +treble, the sounds are quite acceptable now.

Anyway, to get into the secret menu.
Put your key in Accessory position.
Turn off stereo.
hold down '6', and rotate the tune dial at least 5 turns until you see the 'loudness' menu appear.
Let go of the '6' button, turn the tune dial to change 'loudness' to 'off'.

Hold down '6' and rotate the tune dial at least 5 turns until you see the 'eq' menu appear.
Let go of the '6' button, turn the tune dial to change 'EQ' to 'off'.

Press the power button to get out of these menus.

Feel free to try different combination of loudness, EQ to see if it suits your taste better. I found both of them off worked better for me.

#1052 of 1072 Re: Limited none-nav stereo [dfong87]by bobdole888
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dfong,

Yes, I found that turning off the loudness and EQ clean up the midrange drastically. The default settings caused the midrange to be very muffled.
If you listen to music that's mostly vocal, it was just dreadful.
Now, with the loudness and eq turned off, it sounds lively.
I'm sure it's not close to a home stereo, but at least it's acceptable to me.
If you haven't tried turning off the SRS in the regular menu, I would also suggest doing that. I find that for some music(like pop) SRS makes it better, but for vocal music, SRS cause more muffling. I've opted to turn SRS off also.

Just a reminder, the secret menu is known to work on the limited trim none-nav, I don't know if it works for other models, since there's actually 3 different units for the Impreza.
I would think that there are secret menus for the other units, but I don't know how to get to them.
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Since you have a limited, there is a "Secret" Audio menu that results in a better sound (in case you didn't know):

#1049 of 1072 Limited none-nav stereo by bobdole888
Apr 11, 2012 (12:02 pm)
Replying to: al_wbl (Apr 10, 2012 7:50 pm)
For those of you with limited Impreza without NAV, who are not happy with the quality of sound there is good news!

There is a secret menu that allow for further tweaking of audio settings.
Apparently Subaru has force 2 settings to be on:
Loudness
EQ (Don't know what Subaru set this to)

I don't really like the sound coming out with these setting on.
With them turned off, the sounds seem less muffled and more natural.
I also don't like the SRS processing and turned that off.
With just some normal +bass and +treble, the sounds are quite acceptable now.

Anyway, to get into the secret menu.
Put your key in Accessory position.
Turn off stereo.
hold down '6', and rotate the tune dial at least 5 turns until you see the 'loudness' menu appear.
Let go of the '6' button, turn the tune dial to change 'loudness' to 'off'.

Hold down '6' and rotate the tune dial at least 5 turns until you see the 'eq' menu appear.
Let go of the '6' button, turn the tune dial to change 'EQ' to 'off'.

Press the power button to get out of these menus.

Feel free to try different combination of loudness, EQ to see if it suits your taste better. I found both of them off worked better for me.

#1052 of 1072 Re: Limited none-nav stereo [dfong87]by bobdole888
Apr 11, 2012 (3:56 pm)
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dfong,

Yes, I found that turning off the loudness and EQ clean up the midrange drastically. The default settings caused the midrange to be very muffled.
If you listen to music that's mostly vocal, it was just dreadful.
Now, with the loudness and eq turned off, it sounds lively.
I'm sure it's not close to a home stereo, but at least it's acceptable to me.
If you haven't tried turning off the SRS in the regular menu, I would also suggest doing that. I find that for some music(like pop) SRS makes it better, but for vocal music, SRS cause more muffling. I've opted to turn SRS off also.

Just a reminder, the secret menu is known to work on the limited trim none-nav, I don't know if it works for other models, since there's actually 3 different units for the Impreza.
I would think that there are secret menus for the other units, but I don't know how to get to them.
There's a forum for that...
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Ive already done that, but in my last post I was reffering to the HD FM radio. The HD makes the regular FM sound like AM. lol

G-Omaha, why didn't you just provide the link instead of copy/pasting? lol

Either way thanks. If you do have the link to that thread post it up, Id like to read through it.
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