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Old 07-21-2013, 10:11 PM   #51
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None of this makes sense at all. Go check on prices of a 2011 wrx with lets say 30k miles. You will be shocked at the market value.

It does have to suck to make a 30,000 mistake based on what you said.

I love my plain ol limited wrx with nav! No regrets here, because I research before I buy.
I thought the same as well, it looks like the wrx holds it value as well, until you get to the dealer. I was offered 7K under sticker. I know 2 people who traded in wrx models and they got 3K less than sticker, which IMO is a great deal. Maybe since mine was a limited and theirs were base models, the options added to the car don't retain value as much. I know a guy who took his STi to Carmax and they gave him 1000 less than sticker price. I also have heard others on here say the same thing.

I should have driven a STi before I bought, dealers are so dumb about that though so I didn't have the chance. I wanted a daily driver, and dealers and others alike suggested the wrx over the STi. I wanted the STi at first and I shouldn't have over thought it. It's not a 30k mistake though lol, prob a 5k mistake though. Meh, life goes on. I don't think of the limited as plain at all, it's just not exactly what I wanted.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:32 PM   #52
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None of this makes sense at all. Go check on prices of a 2011 wrx with lets say 30k miles. You will be shocked at the market value.

It does have to suck to make a 30,000 mistake based on what you said.

I love my plain ol limited wrx with nav! No regrets here, because I research before I buy.
Time for all the people with WRX's to fly in and rescue.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:41 PM   #53
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Yeah, I bought the wrx and it was a mistake. It's not bad, but for me (Limited model) I wish I had gone STi. Mainly for the better looking brakes (they aren't that much better performing) and the better handling. The other big reason is the STi holds its trade in value much better. I don't really want to put suspension and brakes on a wrx because the car still won't be worth anymore in the long run. Had I bought the STi in the first place, it would be what I want and I wouldn't have to put money into it. Oh well, too late, unless someone wants to give me about $30,000 for my car lol.
Too bad you paid 30k...
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:13 PM   #54
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ALL this, WRXs hold their value just like STIs. Last night just for sh!+s and giggles, I checked the market value of my similar car -- 2012 PBP WRX Limited sedan that just passed 30,000 miles. Yeah, 30,000 miles in a year and four months of ownership after driving off the lot with 6 miles on it. Market value - $27,182. I bought it for $28,600 before ttl (with a bunch of preinstalled SPT crap) and owe about $21k on it.

Yes I know that's not trade-in value, but my dealer offered me $25k at my 30,000 mile service trying to get me to trade up to an STI Limited. The STI is a great ride, but I'm satisfied with what I got, and it's good to know I'm not upside down with what I owe.
Hrm, maybe I just got the wrong appraisal. Looks like your right in the $3000 or so ballpark unless that SPT stuff included the exhaust. My sticker was $32K so I'd need to be closer to $29K to be in that range. I owe about $22 so I'm still way ahead too.

Let me say again, I really like my car, I think our pbp sedans are the best looking of any combo IMO! I just like the look of the base STi wheels/tires, bigger rotors and painted calipers, all black interior blah blah blah. I also think the wrx is a little too soft, it could roll a lot less even though it sure does stick if you stay in it.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:13 PM   #55
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Hrm, maybe I just got the wrong appraisal. Looks like your right in the $3000 or so ballpark unless that SPT stuff included the exhaust. My sticker was $32K so I'd need to be closer to $29K to be in that range. I owe about $22 so I'm still way ahead too.

Let me say again, I really like my car, I think our pbp sedans are the best looking of any combo IMO! I just like the look of the base STi wheels/tires, bigger rotors and painted calipers, all black interior blah blah blah. I also think the wrx is a little too soft, it could roll a lot less even though it sure does stick if you stay in it.
Yeah the "SPT stuff" for me includes the exhaust, short shifter, heat shield, etc., plus other options like Homelink mirror, footwell lights, all weather mats, etc etc. My sticker was also $32k, but I talked them down to $28,6 based on Internet pricing.

Not that I would expect to get market value ever, and my car isn't for sale or anything, but it's good to know I'm not upside down. Yeah, I do agree about the interior bits and the body roll in the WRX compared to the STI, especially if you're staying stock... but I test drove both (even went in originlly to buy the STI) and was still satisfied with the WRX Limited for my particular needs... Even though the STI is just as sweet a ride!
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:04 AM   #56
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Wow, I feel even worse for only getting $1000 under sticker lol. You got an awesome deal, I was just lazy I guess. I actually went to drive a used 2011 until I saw it had been modded so I ordered what I wanted. I actually told the dealer I wanted the STi pillars inside and he said installed for $200 so I was happy with that. The car came and he said no that only the a pillars, not installed. I almost walked but after waiting 4 months I just wanted the car.

What made you decide against the STi?
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:43 AM   #57
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Wow, I feel even worse for only getting $1000 under sticker lol. You got an awesome deal, I was just lazy I guess. I actually went to drive a used 2011 until I saw it had been modded so I ordered what I wanted. I actually told the dealer I wanted the STi pillars inside and he said installed for $200 so I was happy with that. The car came and he said no that only the a pillars, not installed. I almost walked but after waiting 4 months I just wanted the car.

What made you decide against the STi?
Wow, never thought of putting the STI pillars inside... hmm...

I don't think you were lazy, I just got super lucky. Mainly impatience/luck/circumstance kept me from getting the STI. I test drove a ISM hatch STI on the lot, but my last 3 cars were silver and I was stuck on owning a WRB Limited (wanted a sunroof after my last 2 cars). I had seen the PBP WRX Limited online while researching, so I asked to test drive it to see the different between the WRX and the STI.

Apparently the WRX had been ordered by a customer with all the SPT extras, but when the car arrived it was PBP, not WRB. The customer didn't accept it and the dealer had to produce another car, so they put the PBP online for a ridiculous internet price (thousands less than the sticker). The guy thought he was gonna get $600/month financing out of me, so he agreed to the $28,6. But my credit union offered me free GAP insurance, 1.9% interest, and a monthly of $350 for the WRX after some money down... The guy was PISSED when he found out I wasn't financing with him, even tried to tell me he couldn't accept the cashiers check.

Yeah the STI felt better, but it would have been a 99.9% DD (like I said, 30K miles in a year and 4 months of ownership). As a DD, the STI didn't feel like a "better" that I would ever need... especially having to wait a month+ for it to come in, then add stuff like exhaust, etc. on at invoice when there was a top of the line WRX already there with extra bits for a steal.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:01 AM   #58
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Oh that's right, I was following you in the 2012 order thread and remember your story. That's awesome, and too bad mr dealer, you gave me a price and didn't tell me I have to finance with you. At least they did honor it in the end, which I think is the right thing to do.

Yeah, you definitely drive a lot more than me, I got mine in August 2012 and have 9000 miles on it. I should just find some STi shocks/springs off a fresh car that someone is selling.

Yeah I thin the A/B/C pillars were about $700. You know what, I bet we could have them wrapped in suede for less.
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:07 AM   #59
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These tests from 0 to 60 should be extinguished as it has little variation from one to another potent

Fastest cars in the world are in 3s 3.5 s, 4 s

My sti is 4.7 s

The tests should be from 0 to 120mph, to see the difference from one model to another


But I was surprised at the comparison WRX vs STI, here in Brazil the price difference is $ 110,000 ($ 110,000)

WRX 120 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 6 SPEED 220 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 5 SPEED AT 240 THOUSAND DOLLARS
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:26 AM   #60
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sorry , duplicated
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:35 PM   #61
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These tests from 0 to 60 should be extinguished as it has little variation from one to another potent

Fastest cars in the world are in 3s 3.5 s, 4 s

My sti is 4.7 s

The tests should be from 0 to 120mph, to see the difference from one model to another


But I was surprised at the comparison WRX vs STI, here in Brazil the price difference is $ 110,000 ($ 110,000)

WRX 120 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 6 SPEED 220 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 5 SPEED AT 240 THOUSAND DOLLARS
US dollars?
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:09 PM   #62
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These tests from 0 to 60 should be extinguished as it has little variation from one to another potent

Fastest cars in the world are in 3s 3.5 s, 4 s

My sti is 4.7 s

The tests should be from 0 to 120mph, to see the difference from one model to another

But I was surprised at the comparison WRX vs STI, here in Brazil the price difference is $ 110,000 ($ 110,000)

WRX 120 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 6 SPEED 220 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 5 SPEED AT 240 THOUSAND DOLLARS
Looks like I need to buy a dozen STi's and smuggle them down there
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:14 PM   #63
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Ya Im from Brazil car prices down there are stupid.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:48 PM   #64
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Holy frog balls, that's gotta be a hell of a conversion rate.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:56 PM   #65
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Ya Im from Brazil car prices down there are stupid.
So a $25,000 WRX literally costs $120,000 USD?

And I thought Canada and Australia had inflated car prices...that's rough. Reminds me of Malaysia or the Philippines or whatever, where everything with four wheels is exorbitantly expensive.
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:52 AM   #66
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I would pack a sti into a shipping container, float it down there, and sell it at a mere 200,000 to make that cash. Wow.
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:37 PM   #67
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... at least we haven't discussed how the WRX is a "better value" enough times, yet.

All I want to know is why WRX owners feel so compelled to defend their purchase?

If you bought a WRX, good for you!

Ultra condensed short story: No one cares why xyz WRX owner didn't buy an STi.

I hate myself for bumping this thread.
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:03 PM   #68
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These tests from 0 to 60 should be extinguished as it has little variation from one to another potent

Fastest cars in the world are in 3s 3.5 s, 4 s

My sti is 4.7 s

The tests should be from 0 to 120mph, to see the difference from one model to another


But I was surprised at the comparison WRX vs STI, here in Brazil the price difference is $ 110,000 ($ 110,000)

WRX 120 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 6 SPEED 220 THOUSAND DOLLARS
STI 5 SPEED AT 240 THOUSAND DOLLARS
0-130 good enough?

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2011 WRX Sedan- 5-60mph: 6.7s, 0-130mph: 29.2s
2011 STi Limited- 5-60mph:6.6s, 0-130mph: 29.1s
Didnt have the time to look for 60-130mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...sti-sedan-test
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5-60 = 6.3/6.6
30-50 = 10.8/12.1
50-70 = 7.6/8.8
0-100 = 12.9/14.4
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:36 PM   #69
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These tests are completely wrong
My sti 2011 AUTOMATIC (manual is more powerful), completely stock does 0-130 mph in 26 s, STI mechanic does in 24 s


In Brazil, wrx always lose 3-7 seconds on the race track (track day), both stock

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Old 07-26-2013, 10:47 PM   #70
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These tests are completely wrong
My sti 2011 AUTOMATIC (manual is more powerful), completely stock does 0-130 mph in 26 s, STI mechanic does in 24 s


In Brazil, wrx always lose 3-7 seconds on the race track (track day), both stock
The tests aren't wrong.
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:47 AM   #71
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... at least we haven't discussed how the STi is a "better value" enough times, yet.

All I want to know is why STi owners feel so compelled to defend their purchase?

If you bought a STi, good for you!

Ultra condensed short story: No one cares why xyz STi owner didn't buy an WRX.

I hate myself for bumping this thread.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:13 AM   #72
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All I want to know is why STi owners feel so compelled to defend their purchase?
Great point. The bottom line is that the WRX STi is a WRX, and all WRXs are Imprezas. Without the Impreza, there would be no WRX, and without the WRX there would be no STi. We are all family.

The STi may be the prodigal son, but it hardly makes the WRX the red headed step child. They are both cars that have fantastic performance. For most people that bought an STi, just like most WRX owners, they probably aren't talented or skilled enough to fully exploit what the car is capable of anyways.

If you love your STi, great. If you love your WRX, great. If you love your base CVT equipped Impreza, you're a better person than me.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:59 AM   #73
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... at least we haven't discussed how the STi is a "better value" enough times, yet.

All I want to know is why STi owners feel so compelled to defend their purchase?

If you bought a STi, good for you!

Ultra condensed short story: No one cares why xyz STi owner didn't buy an WRX.

I hate myself for bumping this thread.
You should look up where 'a' and 'an' are applicable in a sentence.
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:39 PM   #74
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You should look up where 'a' and 'an' are applicable in a sentence.
You should look back 6 posts. LOL!
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:53 AM   #75
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if you're looking for a DD, get a wrx

if you're looking for an autocross all-star that will help you learn to drive, get a miata.

sti's nowadays are just good for 1/4 mile drag cars. you can throw down 700hp and not worry about your trans and diffs turning into a smoothie.

one thing i would possibly also say an sti is good for is full blown track racing. but, let's be honest, there are better choices there too for the price ('vette)
When was the last time you saw a "'vette" with a snowboard rack sliding sideways through an empty parking lot. I thinks its safe to say that a lot of the attraction to these particular type of performance vehicle is the functionally. I personally love having a vehicle that will keep up with with a vette on the highway, then turn on my blinker and smash down a dirt road with authorrity.

I suppose you could get a corvette an truck.
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