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Old 07-29-2013, 02:55 AM   #26
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I have pumas. They're size 13, heel toe is very difficult!

i can do it in steel toe work boots....hiking boots...bare foot....sneakers....
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:51 AM   #27
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^^^^^

He ish be doing heel toe while having the seckx.
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:43 AM   #28
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i can do it in steel toe work boots....hiking boots...bare foot....sneakers....
I'm sure I could do it with enough practice. It's just not the best size to learn with. Haha
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:53 AM   #29
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I use my hands. I steer with my forehead though.
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:58 AM   #30
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I use my hands. I steer with my forehead though.
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:17 PM   #31
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Easiest way to heel-toe in my old E46 BMW was to brake with your big toe and throttle with your pinkie side of your foot. Little wacky but it worked.
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:28 PM   #32
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Easiest way to heel-toe in my old E46 BMW was to brake with your big toe and throttle with your pinkie side of your foot. Little wacky but it worked.
The pedals in the e46 are weird! I had to come up with a weird way of doing it as well in my e46
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:43 PM   #33
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That's still "heel toe". The term for "using three pedals with two feet" is heel & toe, no matter what parts of the foot you use.
What about 2 pedals with 2 feet? I've only ever been able to heel/toe well in go-karts...
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Old 07-29-2013, 02:02 PM   #34
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I heel-toe under my desk all day long at work while I'm on my computer. Yep, I'm that full racecar.....
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:47 PM   #35
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i can do it in steel toe work boots....hiking boots...bare foot....sneakers....
This.

Try a foxbody with size 13 steel toed boots lol.. I'm going to be moving my mustangs pedals around a bit eventually.

I wanted to get a nice pair of pumas for driving but my nike's do just fine. The older the shoes the better it feels.
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:56 PM   #36
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This is a dieing art, in motorcycles as well as cars. The new corvette has active rev matching, same deal. I think the 370z as well, right?
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:36 PM   #37
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Yes, the 370Z also has active rev-matching. I found it actually threw me off - it created an unexpected behavior in the car that, on track and in the moment with many things to process, I didn't understand. In an effort to understand, I paused for a moment, and that corner was blown (didn't go off or anything, just didn't do it as effectively as I could have). I adjusted to it for later corners... but would rather not have it. I still need a foot ready for the throttle just in case.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:24 AM   #38
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i tried a few times, but being 6'4 it's hard ; <
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Old 07-30-2013, 04:26 PM   #39
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I have size 11 feet, and have no problem turning my whole foot sideways so my heel is on the brakes, and I blip the throttle with my toes. I find it lets me keep better control of both pedals than trying to use the big toe/pinky toe method. Also I drive a BRZ, and my dad has an '07 WRX, my footwell is smaller but my pedals are better set up for it.
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Old 07-30-2013, 04:28 PM   #40
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But the Wrx is a little different because under heavy braking my throttle is actually higher then my brake pedal (I have a very soft pedal for some reason)
look into a grimmspeed master brake cylinder brace, or maybe ss brake lines, both should give you a firmer pedal, the brace is easier and cheaper though.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:11 PM   #41
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Chalking up another one.

In my old MKIV Golf the gas pedal was way lower than the brake and the first time I tried it I ended up slamming the brakes and not even getting near the throttle Took some doing but I eventually got something like heel-toe in that car.
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:09 AM   #42
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I've never done the heal toe
I stubbed my big toe on a rock once, and it took about three days to heal. I had to walk on my heel to help it heal.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:22 PM   #43
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It's easier to heel toe when you are threshold braking because the pedal is in a more consistent spot. It's harder (but it'll eventually become easy) when not threshold braking; ie downshifting on the street.

But if you have a manual transmission car, there's no reason why you shouldn't learn to heel-tow rev match. Key being REV MATCH... and not so much emphasis on the heel-toe part. As others have described, whatever it takes to properly rev match using brake and accel with one foot is the important thing.

Here's one tip I found useful: your right foot should be flexed up with toe pointed towards your face, then plant the heel on the floor under the accelerator (not the brake). Using the tilt of your foot at the heel allows you to roll on/off the accelerator. When you want to brake, *keep your heel planted under the accel* and tilt your foot to the left to roll on/off the brakes.

^ this angle over the brake makes the muscle memory in your foot more ready to heel-toe, since it is the angle you'll be doing it with.
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Old 08-27-2013, 05:04 PM   #44
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Here you go, try to emulate this guy.


In loafers..... legendary.
Awe inspiring stuff. I really ought to learn how to do this. I always rev match on downshifts, but I brake first, then down shift.

I will go practice in my driveway first and make race car noises.

Q: What the heck is Senna doing pumping the throttle near the apex -- induced oversteer?
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:20 PM   #45
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I have this pedal set, it's not pep boys crap, they are functional and fit right. The little extension on the gas pedal lets you hit the throttle with your heel as you brake with your toe. You want to adjust the pedals so that when the brake is applied it's even with the gas at rest.

I know this post is a month old, but where did you get those?
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:44 PM   #46
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From Subaru themselves.............
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:04 PM   #47
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Friend of mine has those in his rs. He loves them
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:13 PM   #48
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where can those pedals be bought?
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:36 PM   #49
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Q: What the heck is Senna doing pumping the throttle near the apex -- induced oversteer?
It could be throttle on rotation, but it may just be simple weight transfer. An NSX (at least, the ones I've driven) responds really well to that kind of input for weight transfer. What looks like a harsh input actually balances the car very well. Feedback is extremely quick, and reactions are communicated but are small, so that seemingly large input means little, precise movements from the car. Whether it's about power on rotation or about weight transfer, it's little adjustments to get both the right placement on track and the right rotation from the car.
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:50 PM   #50
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It could be throttle on rotation, but it may just be simple weight transfer. An NSX (at least, the ones I've driven) responds really well to that kind of input for weight transfer. What looks like a harsh input actually balances the car very well. Feedback is extremely quick, and reactions are communicated but are small, so that seemingly large input means little, precise movements from the car. Whether it's about power on rotation or about weight transfer, it's little adjustments to get both the right placement on track and the right rotation from the car.

Source: http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/aft/29667

Here's an explanation from Takeo Kiuchi, Senna's Honda engine engineer 1990-92:

"Normally the corner speed is decided at the entry - by the tyre grip. But Senna used the throttle to change the yaw of the rear tyre, using the engine torque over the limit of tyre grip. He would get yaw change into the car but without letting it become a slide - that's why only short, very quick movements on the throttle."

""The normal technique on corner entry is to keep it as smooth as possible", explains Takeo Kiuchi, Senna's race engineer of 1990-92. "But Ayrton would use the throttle to put more torque through the tyre and change the yaw, a little bit each time. This way he would get a better trajectory before the apex without as much steering. When we did our simulations, usually the actual time a driver set was slightly slower than the simulation;with Ayrton he was always nearly slightly quicker. That was because we couldn't model what he was doing with the throttle and how it affected the car."
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