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Old 08-13-2013, 01:30 PM   #26
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No, it's not RPM specific. You can run it at any RPM. The other vid that was posted in here was a 2-step, hence why it's bouncing off of a rev-limiter, this doesn't have a 2-step (except while sitting still using the 2-step launch control).

There are 2 different things we're talking about here, 2-step is a rev control, either eliminating spark or fuel causing a bouncing of the RPMs, holding a steady RPM for launching (and what was seen in the 2nd vid). The other is Anti-Lag, which is simply retarding the timing to cause the turbo to spool. Anti-lag can be accomplished when ever you want, at any RPM, and at any speed, you just push a button and it retards your timing.

Like it shows in the video, your car doesn't bounce off a rev-limit while you're moving, the timing is just SO retarded that you don't actually make power to accelerate your car, the result is you stay relatively the same speed, while your boost builds. Once you let go of the button, your boost is there, and then your timing returns, so your car again makes power.....lots of power.

We will not be selling this.....as we are not a vendor on this forum, we cannot post things for sale. However, if there is enough demand, I will do a write up on how to do this for FREE!!! I will however accept PP donations! (ck@uppcos.com)

It's actually a pretty easy simple setup, no "magic box" or special hardware is needed.

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Do the write up please. I bet you'll see some donations.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:11 PM   #27
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I would like to see a write up also. if it works, I wouldn't mind chipping in some money
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:51 PM   #28
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I also would like to see a write up on this. This is a great idea to help get power on a stand still launch. It sucks having to wait for the turbo to spool before you feel the power come on.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:50 PM   #29
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Write up write up write up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:47 PM   #30
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Alrighty how long before the write up, I'm interested also
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:48 PM   #31
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:06 PM   #32
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:09 PM   #33
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****in sweet!!!!!!!!!!!


And HOW did you figure this out? lol
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:21 PM   #34
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Cool man thanks for the info. After I get a new clutch I may have to test this out.

Hopefully some if the other guys will post some videos for us


On another note anyone know where to get maf extension harness so I don't have to cut mine?
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:51 AM   #35
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So down for this, going to talk to some other tuners about it though and get their thoughts on it.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:15 AM   #36
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I'm curious to know if this could be used to spool sooner/earlier. So If I normally build boost under load in 3rd gear around 4800rpm, what happens if I lower the timing to -17deg under load @ 4000rpm?
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I'm curious to know if this could be used to spool sooner/earlier. So If I normally build boost under load in 3rd gear around 4800rpm, what happens if I lower the timing to -17deg under load @ 4000rpm?
No - the engine would lose power by retarding timing like that. This is something you only want to use to build boost when stationary or maintaining a speed.
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:30 AM   #38
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So down for this, going to talk to some other tuners about it though and get their thoughts on it.
This effective works no differently than stand-alone ECU anti-lag. Its simply a work around to retard timing on demand where the factory ECU will normal not let you do this.

In a stand-alone system, such as AEM, you have anti-lag settings you can enable to retard timing and build boost on the line as desired.

This is really hard on things and should only be used for very short periods right before you launch. It is going to heat things up and cause some wear and tear depending how often its used but its no worse than any other implementation of anti-lag.
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:38 PM   #39
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This effective works no differently than stand-alone ECU anti-lag. Its simply a work around to retard timing on demand where the factory ECU will normal not let you do this.

In a stand-alone system, such as AEM, you have anti-lag settings you can enable to retard timing and build boost on the line as desired.

This is really hard on things and should only be used for very short periods right before you launch. It is going to heat things up and cause some wear and tear depending how often its used but its no worse than any other implementation of anti-lag.
Not the same as aem anti lag. This is a complete hack.
The only thing that is the same between the two is "retarding timing" but that's absolutely it. Aem makes this look like a droopy eyed armless child.
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Droopy eyed armless child or not, is the final outcome reached? If we wanted to build boost while bouncing off the limiter, does it matter how? With FULLY adjustable LC settings...and FULLY adjustable openloop fuel settings...and FULLY adjustable timing to build boost (all included with opensource)...Im sure AEM is "different"...but whats the difference in outcome. 2 steppin it while building boost is obtainable this way or that way


If AEM was using the moon as a special voltage reference, and the stars to control boost and timing........it would still function almost identically. May even have more knock control unsing opensource..shrug. Whys everybody hating.if UPPCO "DIDNT" tell us how he configured this mod, everyone would still be sendin him PMs sayin "how much for the special magic box?" This mod is only less appealing now bacause everyone sees how "simple" this actually is. A few of you including myself will continue kicking ourselves in the arss for not thinking of this sooner. Id like to see a side by side launch comparison between AEMs "antilag" and this opensource mod "antilag". Id wager both vehicles would launch almost identical. Even if the AEM is a little superior....bet it aint worth watever it costs just to do the antilag mod.
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Droopy eyed armless child or not, is the final outcome reached? If we wanted to build boost while bouncing off the limiter, does it matter how? With FULLY adjustable LC settings...and FULLY adjustable openloop fuel settings...and FULLY adjustable timing to build boost (all included with opensource)...Im sure AEM is "different"...but whats the difference in outcome. 2 steppin it while building boost is obtainable this way or that way

If AEM was using the moon as a special voltage reference, and the stars to control boost and timing........it would still function almost identically. May even have more knock control unsing opensource..shrug. Whys everybody hating.if UPPCO "DIDNT" tell us how he configured this mod, everyone would still be sendin him PMs sayin "how much for the special magic box?" This mod is only less appealing now bacause everyone sees how "simple" this actually is. A few of you including myself will continue kicking ourselves in the arss for not thinking of this sooner. Id like to see a side by side launch comparison between AEMs "antilag" and this opensource mod "antilag". Id wager both vehicles would launch almost identical. Even if the AEM is a little superior....bet it aint worth watever it costs just to do the antilag mod.
You have a lot of assumptions that are far from right.
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And im assuming your gonna enlighten us as soon as you google the primary differences.


Right?
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If you know of a function that makes AEM or anybody elses system "work" better.....please..chime in with that ****.I think we would all like to know. o.....I wont be holdin my breath by the way.
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Old 08-21-2013, 05:46 PM   #43
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This effectively works no differently than stand-alone ECU anti-lag. Its simply a work around to retard timing on demand where the factory ECU will normal not let you do this.

In a stand-alone system, such as AEM, you have anti-lag settings you can enable to retard timing and build boost on the line as desired.

This is really hard on things and should only be used for very short periods right before you launch. It is going to heat things up and cause some wear and tear depending how often its used but its no worse than any other implementation of anti-lag.
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Not the same as aem anti lag. This is a complete hack.
The only thing that is the same between the two is "retarding timing" but that's absolutely it. Aem makes this look like a droopy eyed armless child.
I did not say "this is the same" anywhere in my post. I highlighted the key terms that I think you missed.

I have tuned with AEM and I'm well aware of how it works and that this is a "hack", or as I termed it "work around".

If you've got a better way to retard timing on a stock ECU or want to put in some work to develop a patch to do so more elegantly, then have at it.

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Old 08-23-2013, 03:13 PM   #44
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Without comparing this method to anything else, it is a sweet setup. Considering cost, I don't see how you could get anything close to as good. I commend the ingenuity in this simple hack. Thank you for taking the time to post it.

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Old 08-23-2013, 07:30 PM   #45
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Not the same as aem anti lag. This is a complete hack.
The only thing that is the same between the two is "retarding timing" but that's absolutely it. Aem makes this look like a droopy eyed armless child.
Ummmm....I beg to differ.... This is EXACTLY what AEM is doing. I know because we originally developed it on an AEM unit (the push button rolling antilag for roll on races). AEM's antilag retards timing, PERIOD. This "hack" retards timing. Yes, AEM is a superior unit, I love AEM and I tune them on the regular, including my own car. AEM has additional features like adding fuel (which I'm pretty sure you could still do with the IAT modifier map), but the end result is exactly the same. It retards timing, and you build boost, PERIOD. The only differences that we've seen so far is the millisecond delay as the factory ECU ramps the timing in as it averages over time.


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Nice,

So once you put this, do you have to replace your turbo along with every oil change ?
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:26 AM   #47
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Nice,

So once you put this, do you have to replace your turbo along with every oil change ?
I would think if you use it wisely you should be ok. If its every 5 minutes hey guys watch this well you'll have fun replacing turbos.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:09 PM   #48
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CK, did that '11 have an ewg?
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