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Old 08-16-2013, 09:28 PM   #1
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I'm pretty bummed about Ferrari nipping the new stratos. For years I've dreamed about seeing Lancia return to Rally. I know it will probably never happen but everyone wants to see a return of the flying wedge. Lets face it, rally has never been the same since the end of group b.


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Ferrari has officially gone off the deep end. I know this car is out of reach for 99% of the population, but it would have been incredible to see it return to motorsport.





Lancia back in the day took many risks, their benchmarks were unprecedented for the time. They made the sexiest damn cars of the 70's and 80's. They weren't always the most reliable, but they sure knew how to be competitive. Lancia still holds the record I believe for most manufacturer wins. Rivaled only by CitroŽn. The Stratos, 037, Delta, and even the delta s4 were badass machines.






What's up with Ferrari? Why stop what everyone wants? Are they just pissed that someone else has made a better Ferrari than Ferrari? If this goes un resolved I'm writing off Ferrari forever. They seem to have lost their touch.
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:30 PM   #2
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If this goes un resolved i'm writing off Ferrari forever. They seem to have lost their touch.
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:47 PM   #3
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:52 PM   #4
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...yeah...and then there was that
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:39 PM   #5
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Dont see what the big deal is. Who doesn't want to see a new stratos tearing up a circuit?
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:55 PM   #6
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Rally hasn't been the same since GrpB?

Really now?

The cars are faster, more controllable and safer than ever. I would put a current (or even 10 yr old) WR-Car (hell, I would even go so far as take a GrpN car) up against any GrpB car and be confident in the modern car. Yes, the GrpB cars were wild and over the top, but much like the WR-Cars of a couple years ago the cars got too fast / too expensive and changes had to be implemented to keep the sport alive.
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Are they just pissed that someone else has made a better Ferrari than Ferrari?
A) it looks like a mini Countach. And the green one is hideous.
2) there's no way it's better than a 458.
III) not every awesome historic car needs to make a comeback.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:48 PM   #8
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A) it looks like a mini Countach. And the green one is hideous.
2) there's no way it's better than a 458.
III) not every awesome historic car needs to make a comeback.
Shhh don't tell the american car companies that.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:28 PM   #9
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Shhh don't tell the american car companies that.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:42 PM   #10
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A) it looks like a mini Countach. And the green one is hideous.
2) there's no way it's better than a 458.
III) not every awesome historic car needs to make a comeback.
Yeah the 458 is much better bahahahahaha

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Isn't that concept like five years old now anyway?

I wouldn't mind owning one but I am doubtfully the intended market. I imagine the intended market has already bought something else by now.

Your fire argument is invalid. Read: cars over $150,000
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pretty stupid what actually happened to lancia that drove them outta biddness
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Isn't that concept like five years old now anyway?

I wouldn't mind owning one but I am doubtfully the intended market. I imagine the intended market has already bought something else by now.

Your fire argument is invalid. Read: cars over $150,000
Yes, this is extremely old and irrelevant to just about every subforum on NASIOC. This guy seems to have an irrational hard on for it, though.
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Old 08-18-2013, 08:29 PM   #14
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Yeah the 458 is much better bahahahahaha

Was just about to get a flame meme up there - Ferrari will never be the solution again... Better to build something and have some fun that worry about a fire in a $250k car...
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"rally hasn't been the same since Group B..."


Hate to break it to ya, but Stratos wasn't a Gp B car.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:38 AM   #16
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Shh, everything sounds so much cooler when you look back on it with uncorrected rose colored lenses.
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Rally hasn't been the same since GrpB?

Really now?

The cars are faster, more controllable and safer than ever. I would put a current (or even 10 yr old) WR-Car (hell, I would even go so far as take a GrpN car) up against any GrpB car and be confident in the modern car. Yes, the GrpB cars were wild and over the top, but much like the WR-Cars of a couple years ago the cars got too fast / too expensive and changes had to be implemented to keep the sport alive.
I'd have to disagree with you on that one.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:37 PM   #18
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I'd have to disagree with you on that one.
On which point? Why not provide an explanation for your disagreement?
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Oh, I thought I only quoted the part about a WRC car being faster than a Group B car.

I don't see how a current spec WRC car could be faster than a 500+ hp Quattro/T16/Delta/etc. Maybe if you compared to the previous spec with the electronic goodies and fancy shift mechanism...maybe...but I still think the Group B cars would be faster (given equal drivers of course)
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I tried to find the article I read in Car magazine (may have been TopGear, or another brand) that compared a modern age rally car to a Group B, but I was not successful.
Anyway, the article tested 2 cars around a course and the Group B was definetly faster in the straights, but would lose out everywhere else such as cornering and braking. Both cars came out with similar times, with the modern car had a bit of a advantage.
Look at F1, in the mid 90's they had full automatic transmissions, auto adjusting suspensions and 3.5l engine, yet the modern cars are faster.

I have no interest in owning older cars now. They should be remembered for what they did, but I would not compare one to a modern age car for performance values.

All that being said, I would like a Lancia as in my opinion they looked sexy.
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What was on the car for tires?

Tire, damper, and differential technology has come a LONG way in the last 30 years, and is the primary reason why today's race cars have higher cornering speeds than they were 30 years ago. I know it's changing a lot, but if you put modern dampers, diffs, and tires on a Gp B Audi Quattro, I bet it would be significantly faster than a modern WRC car.

For road racing cars if you were to do the same with them, (modern tires, diffs, and dampers) and reinforce the chassis enough so the suspension wouldn't rip out of them, I'm guessing the 3 fastest cars around a typical road course would be
1. 1973 Porsche 917/30
2. 1993 Toyota Eagle mk III
3. 1993 Williams FW15C

The common thread of the cars above: they were so fast and so expensive for the series that they ran in that they either killed the series entirely or resulted in significant enough rules changes that made them ineligible to run.
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All that being said, I would like a Lancia as in my opinion they looked sexy.
I wouldn't, but I would love a Lancia kit car. Drove one a few years ago. IIRC it had a European Ford turbo 4 in it, power steering etc... Fast as hell, handled great and was easy to drive.
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What was on the car for tires?

Tire, damper, and differential technology has come a LONG way in the last 30 years, and is the primary reason why today's race cars have higher cornering speeds than they were 30 years ago. I know it's changing a lot, but if you put modern dampers, diffs, and tires on a Gp B Audi Quattro, I bet it would be significantly faster than a modern WRC car.

For road racing cars if you were to do the same with them, (modern tires, diffs, and dampers) and reinforce the chassis enough so the suspension wouldn't rip out of them, I'm guessing the 3 fastest cars around a typical road course would be
1. 1973 Porsche 917/30
2. 1993 Toyota Eagle mk III
3. 1993 Williams FW15C

The common thread of the cars above: they were so fast and so expensive for the series that they ran in that they either killed the series entirely or resulted in significant enough rules changes that made them ineligible to run.
I'm willing to bet the Ferrari F2004 would top all of them.
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