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Old 08-21-2013, 05:43 PM   #1
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Default Force-feeding my BRZ

I put an Innovate supercharger on the "NO POWER" (that's my vanity plate) Mach V BRZ.

Why the Innovate setup?
  • I like the idea of a constant-displacement supercharger. There's no lag.
  • It's the least-expensive forced-induction solution currently available for the car, so I think that's a selling point.
  • It's the simplest-to-install FI solution. Takes four hours.
  • The engineering is excellent. The custom intake manifold is beautiful and the whole install looks OEM.



The Innovate-supplied ECUTek tune isn't available yet, and I'm not an ECUTek dealer and don't really intend to be, so I developed my own tuning for it. It was difficult; others have hinted at some struggles with tuning this car and I certainly had my share of roadblocks, but I think I've overcome all those. The car drives great and is very smooth and stock-feeling in terms of low-end and cruise behavior.





On the throttle is feels nice and grunty. The boost comes in instantly. Max boost is 9 psi, and you get about 5 psi just off idle.

This install is meant to be the minimum setup you could run, so it's still got a stock exhaust on it, no header, no intake even. The planned water-to-air intercooler is not available yet, but I think I'll skip that and eventually put a methanol-injection system on the car. But that's for the future.

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Old 08-21-2013, 06:39 PM   #2
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That's beautiful, mang.

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Old 08-21-2013, 06:58 PM   #3
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Looking forward to your build. Will you be throwing in a smaller pulley with the methanol injection system?
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:41 PM   #4
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I wanted to ask you a while ago what tuning solutions you were exploring with this car, as I am not an ECUtek fan. Lookin' good Dan!
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:57 PM   #5
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Apex'i S-AFC?

I think the jury is still out on the intercooler, I've heard rumors the gains weren't enough to justify the cost and that's why Innovate wasn't offering it. Elsewhere in the world, it's pretty much the only available option. I think if you have E85 available or do meth injection you could run fairly safe even with the smaller pulley.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:57 PM   #6
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Love how clean that looks in the engine bay. Very OEM looking. Love it!
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:29 AM   #7
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What kind of gas mileage impacts are you seeing with this?
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:59 PM   #8
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What kind of gas mileage impacts are you seeing with this?
Hard to tell at this point. I've been on a dyno a bunch and driving around the neighborhood like a throttle-happy nutcase, getting the full-throttle tuning worked out. That got me 17 mpg.

I just filled up and will do some commuting to see how my daily mileage changes.

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Old 08-25-2013, 04:06 PM   #9
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When you say you are using your own tuning solution, what does that mean? I haven't kept up with available methods, but is there open-source?
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:10 PM   #10
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When you say you are using your own tuning solution, what does that mean? I haven't kept up with available methods, but is there open-source?
As far as I know there's no open source tuning solution (yet). I'm using BRZ Edit Pro, and have developed my own calibrations. Innovate offers or will offer a calibration to go with the setup, which will require purchase of an EcuTek license and cable. We will package the supercharger with a Mach V calibration, which requires no license. If you're local we'll install the ECU program on your car. If you're not local you'll probably have to send your ECU to us for the reprogramming.

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Old 08-27-2013, 10:19 PM   #11
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As far as I know there's no open source tuning solution (yet). I'm using BRZ Edit Pro, and have developed my own calibrations. Innovate offers or will offer a calibration to go with the setup, which will require purchase of an EcuTek license and cable. We will package the supercharger with a Mach V calibration, which requires no license. If you're local we'll install the ECU program on your car. If you're not local you'll probably have to send your ECU to us for the reprogramming.

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Got to get the car first, just curious Thanks!

Great deal for DC/MD/VA locals Dan
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:55 AM   #12
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I'm curious about this BRZ Edit. I saw some talk about it on ft86club and someone went off on a tirade about them, but I'm not sure what facts were actually thrown out.

Their website scares me, though. Wikipedia links...really? It would be nice to see more tuning options that tuners will actually use.
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Old 08-28-2013, 02:41 PM   #13
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BRZEdit seems a little shady from their website but there are a decent number of folks using it now without any real issues.

There is another company OpenFlash developing a flash box similar to the Accessport, it's still in development but supposed to be out in a few weeks. They are using an open source file format so the maps can be edited using an open source editor, I think they are trying to get all the map definitions done right now, but they already have the flashing part done. BRZEdit has pretty good logging capability which this program doesn't right now, so that might be a gap for those wanting to use it.

They just released the product for BMWs and people seem to like it.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:41 PM   #14
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Looks like OpenFlash is close to releasing their product.

Guess who is doing their base tunes? Vishnu... ain't that a blast from the past.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:20 AM   #15
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Shiv and Vishnu...brings back memories of him helping me tune an MSM Miata turbo racecar.
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:38 AM   #16
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That looks awesome!

How are these motors holding up to boost?
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:49 AM   #17
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That looks awesome!

How are these motors holding up to boost?
Pretty good. I'm surprised. There are very few that have blown up, and most of those were very large power.

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Old 09-05-2013, 06:12 PM   #18
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Looks like OpenFlash is close to releasing their product.

Guess who is doing their base tunes? Vishnu... ain't that a blast from the past.
Its 2001 all over again!
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:24 AM   #19
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Looks nice, sounds nice, just doesn't perform as much as I had hoped. I just don't think it's quite worth the price tag yet. $3500 (not including tune) for just under 60 rwhp is just a little much for me at this point on my brz. The only way I'd consider buying this now is if gas mileage stayed the same...Or increased
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:45 AM   #20
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Price is about right. The quality of this kit blows Vortech out of the water.
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:07 PM   #21
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Its 2001 all over again!
Old generation link systems and associated tuners are the best, they still work to this day. That's why the entire Link Umbrella systems will never fall...they're relied on by OEM Suppliers.

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Old 09-12-2013, 11:25 PM   #22
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As far as I know there's no open source tuning solution (yet). I'm using BRZ Edit Pro, and have developed my own calibrations. Innovate offers or will offer a calibration to go with the setup, which will require purchase of an EcuTek license and cable. We will package the supercharger with a Mach V calibration, which requires no license. If you're local we'll install the ECU program on your car. If you're not local you'll probably have to send your ECU to us for the reprogramming.

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You're all of 2 hours away... I might have to visit
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:24 AM   #23
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You're all of 2 hours away... I might have to visit
You can't be in MAIC without going to at least one Mach V open house/dyno day. Too bad the summer is just about over.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:45 PM   #24
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You can't be in MAIC without going to at least one Mach V open house/dyno day. Too bad the summer is just about over.
Dyno Night is Friday the 27th of this month.

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Old 09-19-2013, 08:44 AM   #25
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any plans on testing with raceseng 70mm pulley on 93. I would be very interested to see the gains and the heat soaking
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