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Old 08-23-2013, 10:38 AM   #1
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Default Which tires are better on a GR, camber wear?

I'm driving a 2011 STI w/coilovers, modest 1/2" drop, camber plates frt/adj rr control arms and 24mm frt/rr sways. The car is driven predominantly driven on backroads and mtns. The car is not tracked/autox but driven saggressively on the street. My alignment specs are camber frt =-1.7, rr = -1.1 and zero toe.

The AD08s (10k mi on tires) have developed a severe wear on the inner most 1" of the front tires. The rears show normal slight sloping camber wear but the fronts have developed a steeply sloped angle on the inner most edge.

I've heard others claim that on a Subie that the AD08s tend to have more front camber wear on our cars. They speculate that the more rounded corners on a Bridgestone (RE11 for example) or a Michelin are less prone to exhibit wear due to their edge design.

Do any of you have experience with AD08, Bridgestone RE11, Michelin PSS, or Dunlop Direza II or any other high performance tire regarding overall perf and camber wear? Appreciate your feedback.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:10 AM   #2
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When was the last time you had the alignment done?

An fyi pilot super sports have a 30k milage warranty, most other don't have any type of milage guarantee.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:52 PM   #3
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I burned off about 15% tread wear with a hard day of track racing (around 2 hours of actual on track at pace time) on my PSS. It's about what I expected and the tires actually performed great, no traction issues honestly. With better pads, I could see the need for a little more tread width but for the money they are hard to beat. And they work great in the rain which is a plus.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:14 PM   #4
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How did Pss feel in the corners? I'm concerned about excessive roll with softer side walls? Did they wear evenly? What camber settings/pressures did you run?
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:23 PM   #5
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:32 PM   #6
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^ read that article and it is a good overall comparison, but they'vee mixed extreme and max perf rated tires. They give equal weighting to dry and rain perf so a good rain tire moves up in the listing.....not one of my primary criteria. It looks like AD08 and PSS rate very well in the dry but don't know how they work on our cars.

They also didn't test the RE11 which is really a better comparison for the AD08 and Direza.

Was wondering about our cars with awd, a camber challenge suspension and handling characteristics, which tires other owners have found to work well.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:40 PM   #7
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I am about to get some pilot super sports in the next couple weeks for my mach v wicked awesomes, reason being I don't want to buy tires every summer. My tuner was telling me to go with those bc of the tread life warranty since that plus around tire was important. If you want a tire like the re11 or star specs they won't last nearly as long. I was also considering the s04 pole positions but he told me in his experience they only last about 15-20 k miles.

From what you said it is driven like mine, a fun car for mountain roads. Another reason why I will go with PSS, I don't want to have to worry about buying a tire that will hydroplane in the wet, and since I am not competitively driving it, it won't matter if the PSS takes me around a corner at 60 mph but tire X might make it around at 60.8 mph. They are the best all around performance tire most will tell you that. If you go more in one direction of performance you will suffer in another area. So if you only drive it dry warm weather then maybe you are right you don't need the PSS. One thing you seemed to be concerned with was the milage so if that's the case I would still consider it just for that.

You could also do what I do and look at a few tires on tirerack and read through a few pages of reviews for each tire and see what people say.

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Old 08-23-2013, 01:46 PM   #8
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The AD08s are what a 140 tread wear?

FWIW I have 265/35/18 Nitto NT05s and at 2.1* and zero toe I have had no abnormal wear. Now I am on 1.8* and zero toe and no extra wear, I've put about 8k and the previous owner did 5k. So 13k.
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S04 is more of a luxury sport tire, IMO. They tradeoff a lot of dry perf for the wet handling. Several people have said PSS is a great DD tire, just concerned about dry weather tradeoff for aggressive street driving. New RE11A s are rated a step up from the PSS. Frankly I'll never be able to use the PSS warranty bc I will have some camber wear voiding 2/32 across tires.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:55 PM   #10
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The AD08s are what a 140 tread wear?

FWIW I have 265/35/18 Nitto NT05s and at 2.1* and zero toe I have had no abnormal wear. Now I am on 1.8* and zero toe and no extra wear, I've put about 8k and the previous owner did 5k. So 13k.
Yeah the reason why I asked when you had the alignment done was because my front tires got chewed up from excessive toe after doing suspension modifications and not getting the alignment done. The inner 1 or 2 inch of the tire was smooth and bald while the rest of the tire had normal treadwear. once I got the car aligned I move to those tires to the back. After I rotated them there have been no signs of extra where on the inside of my wheels on my factory Dunlops. My chamber is about negative 2.1 in the front with zero toe.

I have heard from others on here that normal chamber from lowering your car should not cause that much increased treadwear on the inner side of the tire. But I had factory size wheels and tires so there is a difference in your setup

To be quite honest if I have more money I probably would go with re11 tires they were my first choice before my tuner told me they would last maine 1 year of driving with the miles I put on my car. Ok plus they have great reviews on tire act and I think they are on special right now

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Old 08-24-2013, 08:06 AM   #11
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OP your toe is off and not just a little..

I bet you dropped your car more and didn't make up for it in toe..

Toe changes with ride height
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:51 AM   #12
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OP your toe is off and not just a little..

I bet you dropped your car more and didn't make up for it in toe..

Toe changes with ride height
This. Also possible that one or both of your camber plates shifted causing everything to change.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:01 PM   #13
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OP your toe is off and not just a little..

I bet you dropped your car more and didn't make up for it in toe..

Toe changes with ride height
this.

camber wear don't look like what you're describing.

Camber wear would be across the entire tire, and you most likely wouldn't even notice until it was time to replace the tires anyways.
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