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Old 04-21-2013, 08:07 PM   #26
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I wanted to point out a difference in the WRX and STi lateral links. As you can see above the STi ones have a single tab while the WRX ones have two for the different style endlinks.

You can see the difference in these pictures




The WRX ones appear to have a more substantial three sided attachment point for the endlink.
Not sure but this seems like it may only be an issue for the STi lateral links but conclusions should be held until TiC and MSI inspect the OP's broken parts.

These were purchased earlier this year so they are much newer than the ones in question.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:35 AM   #27
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Yeah. The way STi and WRX endlinks bolt to the later link is different. STI lateral links have a single tab, while WRX have 2, one on each side. Other big difference is that STI endlinks connect on top of the lateral link, while WRX endlinks connect below. The picture of the MSI lat links on the TIC site have 2 tabs, but maybe those are just the WRX version.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:49 AM   #28
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Luckily no one got hurt.

This is bad Hope everything gets sorted out.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:11 PM   #29
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being that these are cromo, does MSI heattreat them after welding?
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:25 PM   #30
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I didn't even know the link itself was 2 bars welded together; I always thought it was 1 full length bar.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:39 PM   #31
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I didn't even know the link itself was 2 bars welded together; I always thought it was 1 full length bar.
its not, its one piece of tubing with a tab welded on, but due to the welding HAZ it breaks like that sometimes.
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:55 PM   #32
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Any updates on this?
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:31 PM   #33
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I shipped the broken parts back to TIC. Haven't heard anything since.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:00 PM   #34
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I also have a serious failure with my MSI lateral links and, in my case, they are the WRX version.

I started noticing some terrible handling on highway speeds about 2 weeks ago. Like a quick lane change or holding a right turn, the car just felt funny - unstable and rolled a bit. I figured it might be a broken oem swaybar mount or something was wrong with the endlink. I figured it wasn't anything major so I just took it easy until I had time to get underneath the car and inspect what's going on.

So I finally go underneath the rear of my car and I checked the driver side and right away noticed that the rear lateral link broke off of the inner mounting point. I was kind of shocked by this. I guess because it broke on the in-side of the endlink mount, the car somewhat maintained it's rear alignment as the connection of this rear end is now swaybar-endlink-lateral link-upright. Check out the pictures below.

My car's suspension is fully upgraded. I'm running TiC SST Coilovers, 7K/5K spring rates, all suspension links in the rear are MSI, all suspension bushings are TiC, Kartboy Endlinks with a Whiteline 22mm Swaybar. I've had these MSI lateral links since they were first introduced and offered in a Group Buy with the TiC Lateral Link bushings. They have been installed for over 2 years, 24K miles, 7 autocross events and 1 HPDE event about a month ago. I strongly believe the stress of the HPDE event caused the failure and it got worse over the weeks.

I just got in touch with TiC and they already responded. I know they will take care of this issue like they always do standing behind their products. They know I'm a bigger fan than a customer of theirs. I'll keep everyone posted on any news in the coming weeks.





Images were taken before and after going into my driveway unevenly.
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:03 PM   #35
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Dude.... I have... or rather had, the exact same lateral links, and had the EXACT same problem. Both mine snapped at the same time. Their welds are trash.

I never launched my car, hasn't ever seen the track, not even autocross...

I still need to call MSI/TiC and see if they can do anything.

Edit: What it has seen is Chicago roads. I can say this probably a lot more taxing on our suspenion components than your average road track. Regardless, I don't think that any lateral link should clean break like that. Not only does this effect handling immensly, but our safety as well. That's why I'm upset about it.

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Old 09-06-2013, 04:44 PM   #36
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Funny how you just posted here. Who did you buy the links from? TiC? Contact them if so and they will take care of you.

Clint and the crew took care of me. It took awhile as you can see from the post timestamp but I just got the new links two days ago. So to your point, they changed the thickness of the ends. It is much thicker so I hope I don't run into this problem again.
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:03 PM   #37
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I have seen factory ones break too
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:06 PM   #38
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Dude.... I have... or rather had, the exact same lateral links, and had the EXACT same problem. Both mine snapped at the same time. Their welds are trash.

I never launched my car, hasn't ever seen the track, not even autocross...

I still need to call MSI and see if they can do anything.

Your bitching is premature if you've NEVER contact the manufacturer for assistance. If and when you don't get support from where you bought the products from, this forum is a perfect vehicle for bitching.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:14 PM   #39
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He's not bitching about their customer support, he's bitching about their welds. Since his broke, I'd say his bitching is not premature.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:04 PM   #40
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Yeah, I don't think that was the case either. What's wrong with posting about failures related to this thread topic?

Just FYI to those replacing these links, make sure the smaller diameter crush tube goes to the inner front of the links. I had to stop reinstallation multiple times because I kept rushing and forgot how parts went back on.

I'll post pictures of the upgraded links when I get a chance.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:54 AM   #41
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the welds look kinda cold on that pic too. I wonder if we are seeing more failures of these types of parts because of all the poly bushings? I ran the GroupN ones with no issues for ever but they still had some give. these Poly ones are stiff and do not give much give.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:06 PM   #42
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Poly bushings or not, they should NOT completely break apart.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:23 PM   #43
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^^^^ So true with a proper weld the metal around the weld would/should twistetc around the weld, but not the weld. IMO

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Poly bushings or not, they should NOT completely break apart.
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^^^^ So true with a proper weld the metal around the weld would/should twistetc around the weld, but not the weld. IMO

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Correct, the above pic is a weld failure pure and simple. I was just saying that i am seeing a lot of broken parts (ears broken off the trailing arms, lat links braking bla bla)
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:06 PM   #45
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Want to follow up with this real quick, I did reach out to TiC and spoke to Clint. He reached out to Mark at MSI and they are working on getting my links replaced.

I have to say the customer service is top notch, I only hope that these new links are welded better than the previous ones, or else I may have to go to another brand such as Cusco or Whiteline.

We'll see when they come in.

Oh, and if you want to see what my links looked like, check out the pics below.







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You weren't kidding when you said the same exact failure!

Expect the new links to get to you in about a month; that's how long it took for mine.

The ends are much thicker which will hold the weld much better.
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Well that's exciting to hear. The car won't be moving too much until then, as the MWSOC Shootout left my car with a caked clutch. Need to get that replaced ASAP as the WRX is my only vehicle.
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Want to follow up with this real quick, I did reach out to TiC and spoke to Clint. He reached out to Mark at MSI and they are working on getting my links replaced.

I have to say the customer service is top notch, I only hope that these new links are welded better than the previous ones, or else I may have to go to another brand such as Cusco or Whiteline.

We'll see when they come in.

Oh, and if you want to see what my links looked like, check out the pics below.







I also had a failure identical to this back in June. Snapped during an autox event and drove 55 miles home with it broken .

Sent TiC an email that day andhad new lateral links to me in about a week. No complaints on customer service here, just hoping this set holds up better than the last.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:22 AM   #49
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I'm surprised you guys are going to use them again. I went back to the stock STI lat links with TIC bushings.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:25 AM   #50
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haven't seen this much fail in one thread since hella flush movement started.
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