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Old 08-02-2013, 10:52 PM   #1
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Default '13 wrx remote start viper 5704?

Im planning to get a viper 5904 alarm for my '13 wrx.
I heard that you need to have a bypass to use the remote start.
So my questions are..

1) Which bypass are the best? and doesn't require me losing one of my keys for it to work. Give me a couple of options.

2)Would the remote start have a safety? If I'm in gear, it wont start and prevent the car from jumping forward.

3) How hard is the install for these alarms? Should i just go to a professional?
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:56 PM   #2
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In to know what bypass I need. I want remote start as well.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:48 PM   #3
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:42 PM   #4
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How would this bypass the clutch being pushed in?
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Old 08-04-2013, 01:13 AM   #5
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This is only for the immobilizer. The remote start is responsible for the clutch if I'm not mistaken.

I'll have more on it when everything ships here.

The remote start I'm using is part of the viper 5704 alarm system
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:23 AM   #6
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Best bypasses out there.

You however need an ADSALCA. NOT AN ADSTB.
an ADSTB will not work or program to your Subaru.
So sorry, whatsasubie, you ordered the wrong bypass.

Technically you need two ADSALCA's as well. One to bypass the immobilizer, one to do all your security functions such as lock unlock, arm disarm, ebrake status, brake status, tach learn, hatch pop, etc.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:28 AM   #7
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Also you need an account with idatalink as a dealer to program these bypasses.
Skip the headache and get someone who has installed these before to make a clean install.
If you have never done one before you're in for more of a headache than you'd expect.
I installed for four years and have done well over 1000 remote starters and it would still take me two hours to do with proper prep time.
You'll spend days cursing and swearing. Plus you won't be able to flash the bypass anyways without a dealer login and idatalink r2 cable.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:31 AM   #8
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All you need to do is close the circuit on the imobilizer. One wire 2 vampire clips
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Old 08-04-2013, 11:49 AM   #9
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Never. Ever use vampire clips in remote starter installation.
Hack. Hack. Hack.
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Old 08-04-2013, 11:54 AM   #10
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And as you can see this is a little more complicated than opening up one wire.

http://imgur.com/wdhiqrF


If you simply cut open a wire on your immobilized you will:

Permanently disable your immobilizer meaning your sense of security is basically bye bye.
Your security light will permanently be on.
You're tampering with electronics you really shouldn't be.

I do NOT recommend listening to mr vampire clip above me. Do it right or don't do it at all.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:42 PM   #11
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if your car is a manual.. you may want to think twice. I had a buddy who put one in his car and he left it in gear once and remote started it.. and it jumped over the curb down into a water drain.. just my 2 cents.
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Old 08-04-2013, 06:46 PM   #12
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You can do a remote start in a manual transmission ONLY if you use a system designed for a manual transmission or use the factory neutral safety switch to prevent in gear starting. DO NOT use vampire clips. As stated above, they are a hackers install tool and will eventually fail and leave you pissed off. He obviously knows nothing on how the immobilizer system works.. the antenna ring around the cylinder picks up a signal from the key. Simply cutting the wire will do nothing for you. I would not recommend doing this yourself. Even if you find a quality system online, you can kiss all technical support and warranty good-bye. No quality manufacturers will honor an unauthorized installation.

I HIGHLY suggest going to an authorized dealer and having it done professionally. If you decide to try it yourself and then later have to have a professional 'fix' your installation, you WILL end up paying more than you would have originally. In addition, if something goes wrong or you make an improper connection, you could end up costing yourself thousands in repairs. Electronics are not something to screw around with... mistakes are often very expensive.
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Old 08-04-2013, 07:54 PM   #13
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^ nailed it.

Thank The Lord someone bright enough to agree with me haha.

There are systems to prevent a standard transmission from starting in gear.
The other poster who's friends vehicle started in gear. Install was either done improperly or self done thinking they didn't need the safety feature.

Every reputable remote starter brand has wires necessary to hook up as well as a set up feature to ensure the vehicle is NOT in gear and will only start if this process is followed.

Another great thing about subarus is the neutral safety wire located at the Ecu. Hooking up a hood pin wire to this will cause a remote start error to occur so the vehicle will not remote start in gear.

If you ever take a remote starter install to someone who believes none of these are needed. Hack. Hack. Hack. Stay far far away from these shops or individuals.
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Also you need an account with idatalink as a dealer to program these bypasses.
Skip the headache and get someone who has installed these before to make a clean install.
If you have never done one before you're in for more of a headache than you'd expect.
I installed for four years and have done well over 1000 remote starters and it would still take me two hours to do with proper prep time.
You'll spend days cursing and swearing. Plus you won't be able to flash the bypass anyways without a dealer login and idatalink r2 cable.
Thanks for the advice. So i bought the wrong one.. I'll have a professional install is for me.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:23 PM   #15
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Idatalink.com

Best bypasses out there.

You however need an ADSALCA. NOT AN ADSTB.
an ADSTB will not work or program to your Subaru.
So sorry, whatsasubie, you ordered the wrong bypass.

Technically you need two ADSALCA's as well. One to bypass the immobilizer, one to do all your security functions such as lock unlock, arm disarm, ebrake status, brake status, tach learn, hatch pop, etc.
That's so much trouble! Does anyone know of any other bypasses out there?
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:30 PM   #16
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That is your only option if you want all features. If you want to make all of your connections manually and not have full OEM alarm control, you can get just a bypass for the immobilizer. Or you can get a bypass for just the security features and use a relay and a spare key to make your own immobilizer bypass.

The new Subaru's use a ground-in-neutral neutral safety switch which will not work by tying into the hood pin switch. If you are using a DEI unit (Viper, Python, etc), the black/white wire can usually be connected to the newer Subaru neutral safety switch wire at the ECU for a standard transmission.
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Do yourself a favor and get it professionally installed. BUT ask many questions to ensure that you will be getting a true professional installation. There are many shops that are just as bad of a hack as the worst DIY installer. If they say anything other than soldered connections, walk away. Yes a decent connection can be made without solder if you know what you are doing, but it's safer to just solder it and be safe.

If you are wondering my 'qualification', I have worked in the field for over 8 years now, I have installed well over 1000+ remote starters in everything from a Geo Metro to a brand new BMW and Mercedes. I now own my own mobile electronics sales and installation shop... so although I may not know everything, I do know quite a bit and have seen just about everything. I am all for DIY projects... but not when it comes to electrical components. If you don't have experience, save yourself the headache (either now or down the road). Just my .02.
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Do yourself a favor and get it professionally installed. BUT ask many questions to ensure that you will be getting a true professional installation. There are many shops that are just as bad of a hack as the worst DIY installer. If they say anything other than soldered connections, walk away. Yes a decent connection can be made without solder if you know what you are doing, but it's safer to just solder it and be safe.

If you are wondering my 'qualification', I have worked in the field for over 8 years now, I have installed well over 1000+ remote starters in everything from a Geo Metro to a brand new BMW and Mercedes. I now own my own mobile electronics sales and installation shop... so although I may not know everything, I do know quite a bit and have seen just about everything. I am all for DIY projects... but not when it comes to electrical components. If you don't have experience, save yourself the headache (either now or down the road). Just my .02.
Hey thanks for the help! What you're saying is, i need 2 idatalink asdalca?
Is there any other solutions so i only need 1 device?
I will get a professional to install (:
I'm tryng to buy everything beforehand so i only get charged for labor.
This is for the Viper 9704.
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You may end up screwing yourself by getting everything first. Certain shops are only authorized installers for the brand they carry. Most DEI authorized installers will use all DEI equipment (including the bypass). Most iDatalink authorized installers will most likely carry Compustar equipment. Even if you take the equipment to an authorized DEI installer, they will likely not have access to flashing the iDatalink modules which you MUST have a dealer account to flash the bypasses. In addition, since you will likely not be buying the unit from an authorized source, you will still be giving up the warranty for the unit. In addition, most shops (mine included) will not give a labor warranty on a unit that was not sold by that shop. This is because even if an install is 100% correctly done, a defective unit can cause many different issues that may 'appear' to be from a faulty installation even if there was nothing done wrong. So you are pretty much still on your own.

You are better off just going to a reputable shop (do your research) and get everything through them. Then you know you have a full product and labor warranty.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:59 PM   #20
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It's so refreshing finally finding another mobile electronic installer that speaks my language.
Great advice my friend same I just gave him via pm!

With our combined efforts and total experience I'm sure he will make the right choice in his viper installation!
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Thanks for all the help everyone! I'll contact the professionals tomorrow!
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Anyone know if there is a neutral safety feature built in the system?
so i want to make sure if the car is in gear it wont start.
Right now i will start even in gear. Thank god i was there when this happened and had enough time to turn it off.
Is there an add on i have to buy or something?
This is a safety issue so i really need to figure this out.
All it takes is one time.. and it could cause injuries or even kill people.

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Did you have it professionally done or decide to do it yourself? If you had it professionally done and they 1) installed it in a way that allowed it to remote start and 2) didn't alert you to that fact than they need to be reported before they kill somebody. There is a neutral safety switch in the vehicle at the ECU that you should be able to connect to the black/white wire of the DEI unit. I want to say it's green/black at the ECU or green/white... I cannot think of it off the top of my head at the moment.
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So there is a safety to prevent it from starting in gear? Lets say i forget and i left it in gear and left. I press the remote start. The system wont start it correct? I had it professionally installed. They said there is no safety. I talked to DEI they said the system is programmable for auto or manual transmissions. (there is a difference) What is it? and how do i program it?
Do i have to buy anything else?
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So there is a safety to prevent it from starting in gear? Lets say i forget and i left it in gear and left. I press the remote start. The system wont start it correct? I had it professionally installed. They said there is no safety. I talked to DEI they said the system is programmable for auto or manual transmissions. (there is a difference) What is it? and how do i program it?
Do i have to buy anything else?
I've had viper remote starters on my all my cars (all manual trans) and current wrx. They have a safety feature built in to prevent the setting of the remote start if the vehicle is in gear.

If installed properly, you would have to do the following to set the remote start:

1.) All doors closed, engine on, in neutral.
2.) Foot on brake, then apply e-brake.
3.) Release foot on brake, press remote start button on remote.
4.) Your lights should go on and off about 4 times (telling you it is set).
5.) Exit car with keys, and lock with remote.

This ensures that the car is in neutral and cannot be set into gear without the unlocking/opening of a door. ( doing so should disable the remote start feature)

If you do not have to do this to operate your viper system, take it back to your installer and demand a refund/fix.
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