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Old 09-08-2013, 04:49 PM   #26
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BEFORE MY MODS UPGRADED...MY TRACK TIMES WERE 13.4's AND 13.2's...my 60ft were like 1.7...NOW AFTER MY UPGRADE MY TRACK TIMES ARE 13.8's AND MY SLOWEST WAS 14.2 AND MY 60FT WAS 2.2.
ALMOST MY TURBO I S A TOMIOKA 20G WITH 1000CC DW INJECTORS AND 255 FUEL PUMP AND HEADERS......
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I Think The Shop I Went To Didnt Tune My **** All The Way Bcuz I Think They Wanted To Go Home Bcuz It Was Late And I Was The Only Car There Getting Worked On....
Do you have multiple personalities? These were posted 1 minute apart from each other.

If you think the shop didn't tune you correctly, talk with them.
Did you get a dyno tune? Post your dyno chart, as that will tell us a lot more information than continually telling us that you put in a tomioka 20G with 1000cc DW injectors and a 255 fuel pump with headers 16 more times.

And to those saying that there's no way a 20G Sti would run high 13's? Challenge accepted. I bet I could do 14's. or even 15's.

There are so many factors going on. Maybe the OP was just having a crappy night and didn't realize it.
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Old 09-08-2013, 04:50 PM   #27
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DYNO? it was tuned on the dyno right?
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Old 09-08-2013, 04:51 PM   #28
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Do you have multiple personalities? These were posted 1 minute apart from each other.

If you think the shop didn't tune you correctly, talk with them.
Did you get a dyno tune? Post your dyno chart, as that will tell us a lot more information than continually telling us that you put in a tomioka 20G with 1000cc DW injectors and a 255 fuel pump with headers 16 more times.

And to those saying that there's no way a 20G Sti would run high 13's? Challenge accepted. I bet I could do 14's. or even 15's.

There are so many factors going on. Maybe the OP was just having a crappy night and didn't realize it.

Seen a 1000hp Ferrari run 14s couldn't hook up for S%$%$..

His trap speed was like well over 130-140 though.. In fact I think it was carmacks back in the day.. Late 90s
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Old 09-08-2013, 05:08 PM   #29
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And to those saying that there's no way a 20G Sti would run high 13's? Challenge accepted. I bet I could do 14's. or even 15's.
I'm guessing this is in response to my post. Let me clarify. An STi with a 20g on E85 and a proper tune shouldn't be running high 13's. If he sucks at driving then that would explain the 14's

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DYNO? it was tuned on the dyno right?
Why does that matter?
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Old 09-08-2013, 05:26 PM   #30
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BEFORE MY MODS UPGRADED...MY TRACK TIMES WERE 13.4's AND 13.2's...my 60ft were like 1.7...NOW AFTER MY UPGRADE MY TRACK TIMES ARE 13.8's AND MY SLOWEST WAS 14.2 AND MY 60FT WAS 2.2.
ALMOST MY TURBO I S A TOMIOKA 20G WITH 1000CC DW INJECTORS AND 255 FUEL PUMP AND HEADERS......
So your running .5 sec slower 60fts. That's not good. Now, if you would have posted your slips like I have asked you multiple times, we could check your trap speed. See if it went up significantly with the new mods. That way we could get a general idea on whether or not you are making more power than before. But apparently you are to lazy (or incompetent) to simply scan the slips and post them up.

Based on all data given, I think you just suck at driving. Get better.
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Old 09-08-2013, 07:40 PM   #31
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it is my personal opinion that anybody who mods to this level who can not tune their car themselves is and will always be a......

well....

there is a reason that so many of these cars never see 11's much less 10's....and blow up with such amazing frequency

and it isnt the car or the hardware....no.
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Old 09-08-2013, 07:51 PM   #32
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20g turbos take longer to spool. Have your car tuned so the turbo starts spooling at 2500-3500 RPMs. Get a boost controller, can't believe you got a big turbo without one. Your mods will get you more top end power but you need more low end torque, throttle response, and boost. I'd recommend a protune instead of using an AP. Just use the AP to store your pro tune. Now you haven't really answered any questions anyone has asked. You may have a vacuum leak, you mentioned oil in your BOV. Get rid of the BOV, that could be your problem right there and it probably is. As expected your car was lagging in its spool rate with the larger 20G. Expect an increase in lag of 200 rpm or more if you have a crappy tune.

Sounds like something isn't right. You said originally that you used an AP for an e85 tune, then you said the guys at the tuner shop rushed your car because it was late at night. What dyno was used? What was the shop? What are your dyno numbers, where are your slips? Are you running old tires? Don't you know that STIs are not the best car for drag racing? You should try autoX, rallyx, track days, something with some turns.

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Old 09-08-2013, 08:19 PM   #33
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it is my personal opinion that anybody who mods to this level who can not tune their car themselves is and will always be a......

well....

there is a reason that so many of these cars never see 11's much less 10's....and blow up with such amazing frequency

and it isnt the car or the hardware....no.
So your saying the expert tuners with years of experience are the reason cars blow up where as a rank amatuer at tuning will provide a safer more reliable tune?
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Old 09-08-2013, 08:55 PM   #34
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Even car's from "tuners with years of experience" can, will, and do blow. It's up to the end user to do logs and ensure the car is performing to the best of it's abilities.
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So your saying the expert tuners with years of experience are the reason cars blow up where as a rank amatuer at tuning will provide a safer more reliable tune?


i guess you missed that one, too

yeah....well...there are way too many who wanna call in the 'expert' and that's that

oh well
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:36 PM   #36
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Even car's from "tuners with years of experience" can, will, and do blow. It's up to the end user to do logs and ensure the car is performing to the best of it's abilities.
I agree. I think tuners need to tell their customers more about logging and double checking the car after the tune. Particularly on E85. Especially during different seasons or even just changes in altitude.

I'd even go so far as to say in highly modded cars stuff simply goes wrong. It doesn't matter who touches it, ****s still going to break. The idea is going to an expert engine builder, fabricator, tuner is to avoid as many issues as possible instead of learning everything by breaking it yourself. Preferably a shop that actually stands by their work.
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:49 AM   #37
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User error?

Someone had to go there.

A 20G and E85 is a rather significant bump. To be slow would be a byproduct of how the new package is used. Some can be attributed to tuning, but for drag, I can't really see you low in the rpm range to care about lag. You would need to learn new timing with pedal work, but the rpms should remain sufficiently high where lag time would be quite low. It's not like you shift a gear and end up down at 2000 rpm. If you're going to redline, you're still quite high in the rev range and very much in the turbo's happy place for reasonably quick boost.

I don't know how much you've done with the car yet, but I will note that the stock clutch is a weak point. With E85, you are very much pushing the limit of what the clutch can support. You will quite moderately slip the clutch when launching at high rpm. A couple of launches will overheat the clutch noticeably and worsen operation. As for the initial launch, you can't really put much more down than pre-E85. However, the clutch will hold statically once engaged, and you should see much higher acceleration from the car down the track. The tuner likely limited boost to within a level that the clutch supports, although E85 can allow higher boost.

The only place you can really falter would be on shifts. The 20G isn't huge by any means, but it will be slightly slower to react. You need to learn to get on the throttle sooner on each shift to compensate. Even with sloppy shifting, you shouldn't be all that slow. We should be talking about something going from 230whp stock to around 400whp peak and a lot more torque everywhere, not a small gain in energy expenditure. In gear and the throttle pegged, you should have a pretty big difference in acceleration rate.
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i guess you missed that one, too

yeah....well...there are way too many who wanna call in the 'expert' and that's that

oh well
This just in guys. According to Scotty, no one's allowed to have a fast car unless they were the mastermind behind the whole ordeal.

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Old 09-09-2013, 01:50 PM   #40
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Really? That's so stupid.

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Old 09-09-2013, 02:13 PM   #41
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I'd say your 60ft is why E.T. went up and the car isn't so much the problem. In general, for every tenth you add on to your 60ft it will add roughly 1.5-2 tenths to your E.T. I had the same problem with my last car, made it faster and ran slower because made a decent 60ft that much harder. I would say relearn how to drive/launch the car because it probably drives a lot different than when it was on the old set up and then see what you run.
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I'd say your 60ft is why E.T. went up and the car isn't so much the problem. In general, for every tenth you add on to your 60ft it will add roughly 1.5-2 tenths to your E.T. I had the same problem with my last car, made it faster and ran slower because made a decent 60ft that much harder. I would say relearn how to drive/launch the car because it probably drives a lot different than when it was on the old set up and then see what you run.
None of you guys are paying attention!!!
BEFORE HIS MODS UPGRADED...HIS TRACK TIMES WERE 13.4's AND 13.2's...his 60ft were like 1.7...NOW AFTER HIS UPGRADE HIS TRACK TIMES ARE 13.8's AND HIS SLOWEST WAS 14.2 AND HIS 60FT WAS 2.2.
ALMOST HIS TURBO I S A TOMIOKA 20G WITH 1000CC DW INJECTORS AND 255 FUEL PUMP AND HEADERS......
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:17 PM   #44
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Where are the time slips and dyno sheets (stock and mod)?

If you say something like you don't have a dyno of your tune, then that's just plain stupid on your part.
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Does anyone know what turbo he has, if he upgraded the injectors, and what about a fuel pump?

Anyone?
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:47 PM   #46
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wheel spin and shift points
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Old 09-09-2013, 08:49 PM   #47
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How much did you weigh before mods and after mods?

I think we might have a chance at this problem
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