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Old 09-14-2013, 10:20 PM   #126
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SPT intake is not made by Subaru. It's made by an aftermarket company sold wholesale to Subaru and relabeled. Probably the only benefit that you get with using it is the ability to retain your factory warranty. Other than that, I really wouldn't call it a high-quality piece by any means.

The early Cobb ones were no better. They used a glued-in airflow straightener that used to come loose. Cobb has worked with customers to get it replaced if it happens, but irregardless it really isn't that much better.
Wow, Food for thought.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:57 PM   #127
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Lol, if looking at before/after dyno plots on Cobb's own site of their own intake that show little to no to negative gains, talking to tuners who recommend staying with the stock intake because they don't see gains with aftermarket units, listening to countless people who have installed an intake, tuned for it, and felt nothing, and buying an intake myself and feeling nothing is "listening to internet hearsay", then yes.

You, sir, are in denial.
What am I denying, I'm just asking for some facts. You may well have installed an intake and got nothing from it. So what was the car, what mods, what intake, what were the tune details before & after?

Let's make a general statement, some cars will benefit from an intake, and some will not. If enough people supply details and results, maybe a trend will develop. I got good results with an AEM CAI. If ten people with AEM intakes report gains, maybe it is a good intake. If ten people go to Home Depot and make their own out of dryer duct, and get poor results, maybe that is a bad intake.

What sucks are the blanket statements, all intakes are crap under 450 whp, things like that. I'm just asking for some facts, when did that become a sin?
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:24 PM   #128
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It becomes a problem when you ignore everything ever said against intakes by anybody regardless of evidence, and then ask for more, only to ignore it as well.

Stage 1/2, intakes are useless, brand doesn't matter because the intake is not a restriction at that point. It doesn't matter how nonrestrictive the aftermarket intake is, if the intake it's replacing isn't a problem, then the new intake won't help. There's no problem to fix at that power level, bottom line.

If you want to buy an intake, then knock yourself out, but don't be delusional about what you're doing (or not doing). If you're stage 1/2 and you're expecting anything other than noise, then you're going to be disappointed, or you've been hit by the checkbook placebo effect.

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Old 09-15-2013, 07:14 AM   #129
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So what, I should ignore first-hand experience and go by what I read on the internet? Because the internet can't ever be wrong? It is not like the opinion is unanimously in your favor, you conveniently ignore every statement against your own because, well, they must be wrong? Hopefully the OP will post his results with his AEM, and we will see how his setup responds. Or should we just declare him a loser right now, because "everyone" already knows the truth?

And what is with emphasizing "stage 1/2". I don't recall anyone here claiming an intake was a good mod for stage 1.


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It becomes a problem when you ignore everything ever said against intakes by anybody regardless of evidence, and then ask for more, only to ignore it as well.

Stage 1/2, intakes are useless, brand doesn't matter because the intake is not a restriction at that point. It doesn't matter how nonrestrictive the aftermarket intake is, if the intake it's replacing isn't a problem, then the new intake won't help. There's no problem to fix at that power level, bottom line.

If you want to buy an intake, then knock yourself out, but don't be delusional about what you're doing (or not doing). If you're stage 1/2 and you're expecting anything other than noise, then you're going to be disappointed, or you've been hit by the checkbook placebo effect.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:08 AM   #130
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Wow this thread went down the ****ter I cant believe I wasted 15 min reading the rest of it.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:02 AM   #131
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Lol, if looking at before/after dyno plots on Cobb's own site of their own intake that show little to no to negative gains, talking to tuners who recommend staying with the stock intake because they don't see gains with aftermarket units, listening to countless people who have installed an intake, tuned for it, and felt nothing, and buying an intake myself and feeling nothing is "listening to internet hearsay", then yes.

You, sir, are in denial.
Cobbs dyno data base is proof enough for me. I definitely dont just go off random peoples opinions but the proof is out there by some of the best and well known tuners in the industry.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:46 PM   #132
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Intake will be delivered later this week. Will post results. When looking at the Power Pages in Import Tuner Magazine website, the STi they used showed significant increase with the AEM CAI. I'm glad I went with decision of investing in an intake. I'll post before and after results as soon as I can
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:54 PM   #133
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Intake will be delivered later this week. Will post results. When looking at the Power Pages in Import Tuner Magazine website, the STi they used showed significant increase with the AEM CAI. I'm glad I went with decision of investing in an intake. I'll post before and after results as soon as I can
Please do so I can feel even better about my purchase of the AEM although I've been smiling about it since i put it on as is
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:57 PM   #134
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I know it's not going to turn my wrx into a LFA, but for $120 it will be well worth it with my stage2 tune.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:16 PM   #135
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I know it's not going to turn my wrx into a LFA, but for $120 it will be well worth it with my stage2 tune.
are u getting pro-tuned? If so the only true way to tell if it helped would be to get protuned with out the intake and then again with the intake. U cant compare a conservative OTS map with a good protune and then claim the gains were from the intake. I'm not saying anything negative about ur decision to get a intake I really like how the sound. But I've looked over Cobbs dyno data base. they know how to tune cars so I believe the gains are going to be minimal at best.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:47 PM   #136
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I was going to go through Torque Performance for their tune. I'm not trying to make astronomical power, but the gain I will get from spending $120 on a AEM CAI is worth it.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:58 PM   #137
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I was going to go through Torque Performance for their tune. I'm not trying to make astronomical power, but the gain I will get from spending $120 on a AEM CAI is worth it.
I have the AEM, and the TP stage 2 tune for it, and felt nothing from the intake. Same with just about everybody else who gets one (except northman, apparently). Good luck with it though.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:21 PM   #138
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i love posting this

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...nti-bling.aspx

i gained 40whp, but maybe it was the inj/pump and protune in the addition to the cobb sri with box
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:31 PM   #139
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i took mine off and went back to stock soooooo.........
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:06 PM   #140
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^^ and??? how does it feel? better or worse
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:26 PM   #141
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^^ and??? how does it feel? better or worse
The same. At first in my head it was slower because i didn't hear the suction. But now honestly it feels the same. Maybe just a bit slower throttle response. A TAD! but that could be in my head also. Plus now i don't have to worry about water when it rains, winter is coming.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:30 PM   #142
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Interesting... As far as water, with my cobb sf w/ box I have been driving around flooded Colorado with no problems. If you haven't seen what it looks like here it looks like a hurricane hit in some parts. I was wromping through huge puddles (ponds on the road) splashing water everywhere not sure if you had cai or not but the cobb is safe.. The stock box is a very good design though no need to change it unless you want the noise or are making serious power..
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:32 PM   #143
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Interesting... As far as water, with my cobb sf w/ box I have been driving around flooded Colorado with no problems. If you haven't seen what it looks like here it looks like a hurricane hit in some parts. I was wromping through huge puddles (ponds on the road) splashing water everywhere not sure if you had cai or not but the cobb is safe.. The stock box is a very good design though no need to change it unless you want the noise or are making serious power..
I had a AEM cold air. I checked it last time it rained pretty hard and the filter was damp after a drive. I live in the mountains of norcal. But like i said no regrets going back stock.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:37 PM   #144
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Stock unit is better than 98% of aftermarket stuff. Buy the COBB if you want the "pshhhh" sound.

"Sometimes a hole in a bathroom stall is just a hole in a bathroom stall."

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Old 09-15-2013, 09:50 PM   #145
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My head hurts after reading this last page. You people argue against "internet hearsay" yet here you are, spreading internet hearsay.

MANY reputable tuners have shown the stock intakes are good for well above stock power levels, to include the stupid "staged" mods. If you want to put 2-400 in a noise maker with MINIMAL gains, go for it. If you want advice, talk to your tuner. If you are comparing an intake tune vs none, make sure your protune doesn't include other mods.

But honestly, if you want evidence, do your damn research. It's been proven MANY times that intakes are noise makers for 95% of the modders on here. Don't claim you want "evidence" because you're too ignorant/lazy to see or research it. Believe it or not, intakes are NOT always an improvement over stock.

Now continue your bitch fest over stupidity.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:15 AM   #146
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I have the AEM, and the TP stage 2 tune for it, and felt nothing from the intake. Same with just about everybody else who gets one (except northman, apparently). Good luck with it though.
Maybe you'd get more from a dyno tune than an e-tune? Or was it an e-tune, or their canned tune?

I provided details of one combination that worked well, for me. Others get good results as well, there have been several posting in this thread. You are making blanket statements that cover everybody. Real life doesn't really work that way, there are many different permutations and many different outcomes.

If you would rather keep the stock intake for fear of getting wet, or it is too noisy, or whatever, that is fine. But if you have a decent tuner you will leave some power on the table with the stock inlet. It may not be enough for you to worry about, but if you are racing every little bit helps.
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:15 AM   #147
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I like my AEM intake. I only bought it for the noise though. Does it add power? I won't comment on that.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:25 PM   #148
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The sound adds a minimum of 30hp! Like herairk said he didn't feel much of a difference neither did i from stock to cobb. It's your car if you want that great traditional pshh sound than go for it! It's better than running VTA BOV's assuming you have some sort of EM for the intake..
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:30 PM   #149
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Stay stock. Every above has said the right stuff with the right reasons lol
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Stay stock. Every above has said the right stuff with the right reasons lol
Complete bull.!
dont stay stock simply because people above have said so. do your own homework and come up with your own conclusions. northman has bought very valid points to the table as to why to go the aftermarket intake route.
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