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Old 09-20-2013, 11:23 PM   #26
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How much is a new sport limited, 22k something?
Depends how it is optioned. Moonroof? Nav? Premium audio? Color?

For example, yesterday we bought our '13 Sport Limited with Popular Package #1 and moonroof for $23,448 + TTL. Invoice is $23,825, MSRP is $25,347.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:18 AM   #27
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Rochester, NY is in the rust belt too, and I don't know that Mazdas around here are rusting any worse than Subarus. I'll try to be more observant and see if I can detect such a trend.
I do have one point of reference on this topic. My brother, who also lives in the Rocheter, NY area, owns a 2008 Mazda3 that just rolled 100k miles. My brother is nowhere near as meticulous with his car maintenance as I am, yet his Mazda3 has no rust on it.

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Old 09-21-2013, 09:00 AM   #28
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In reality, this has been a good year for new car sales. Incentives and low interest rates combine to stimulate that, along with people that held onto their aging car due to the bad economy these past few years.

That said, any vehicle you buy, regardless of what it is, depreciates most early on and then levels out. Unless you have something desirable that everyone wants and nobody can get their hands on, it is to be expected to take a hit on a fairly new car. After all, if you were going into a dealership and the price on the "newer" used car was close to the price of the new one, not to mention better interest rates on the new, which would you buy? That's just the way it is. How will it hold its value when it is 5 to 7 years is yet to be seen, but I don't have any illusions, since the Impreza, in and of itself, is nothing special. Having said that, mine has worked out well and I am happy with my decision to have gotten it.

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Old 09-21-2013, 11:16 AM   #29
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In reality, this has been a good year for new car sales. Incentives and low interest rates combine to stimulate that, along with people that held onto their aging car due to the bad economy these past few years.

That said, any vehicle you buy, regardless of what it is, depreciates most early on and then levels out. Unless you have something desirable that everyone wants and nobody can get their hands on, it is to be expected to take a hit on a fairly new car. After all, if you were going into a dealership and the price on the "newer" used car was close to the price of the new one, not to mention better interest rates on the new, which would you buy? That's just the way it is. How will it hold its value when it is 5 to 7 years is yet to be seen, but I don't have any illusions, since the Impreza, in and of itself, is nothing special. Having said that, mine has worked out well and I am happy with my decision to have gotten it.

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Absolutely,depreciation is not a constant, you take a huge hit because nobody will buy a barely used car for close to the price of a new one when they can spend a little more and get a new one.

The dealer gave you actually more than it was worth, but they had an incentive as they probably charged a little more than they had to to sell you the mazda.

If you want to compare resale and trade values, do it in 5+ years, and see which car retains its value more. Odds are, it will be the subaru and not the mazda.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:35 AM   #30
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:46 AM   #31
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:15 PM   #32
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There are several standard categories of car buyer: Enthusiasts, poor, luxury, and value.

Vwgti is an enthusiast. An enthusiast has priorities vastly different than the typical Outback, Forester, Impreza Subie buyer. He would probably have been happier in a wrx except for the marginal interior and crap mpg. Mazda 6 would seem to make more sense.

Subaru aims primarily at the value focused car buyer with everything except the wrx/sti. Even the brz is a "value" sports car.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:41 PM   #33
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There are several standard categories of car buyer: Enthusiasts, poor, luxury, and value.

Vwgti is an enthusiast. An enthusiast has priorities vastly different than the typical Outback, Forester, Impreza Subie buyer. He would probably have been happier in a wrx except for the marginal interior and crap mpg. Mazda 6 would seem to make more sense.

Subaru aims primarily at the value focused car buyer with everything except the wrx/sti. Even the brz is a "value" sports car.
No. The brz is a "modify me" car.
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Old 09-21-2013, 07:02 PM   #34
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Thanks for the positive comments. SG- your not too far off, The GTI was not my daily driver, but when it became so, did not want to drive manual daily in some commuter traffic, and the warranty was going to expire in a few months. Thankfully the GTI was paid off and held it's value very well. It was a blast to drive, pwr, refinement, had it all. Chose Impreza with CVT from reviews and advertised CVT MPG's and still wanted a hatch, leather, moonroof, rear view dimming mirror, heated seats etc.. AWD although not required was also great feature and the proposed reliability. The Impreza provided almost all of that. To this day, I can say the Impreza was very reliable, and great in the rain. But as a daily driver, the CVT did not cut it for me. "The Impreza can't get out of its own way" perfect analysis. I commute 40 miles daily and the CVT was driving me nuts, It is a horrible transmission IMO. I wouldn't call myself Fickle, car just did not meet my expectations, MPG, CVT Trans, Rattles, Enjoyment Factor - ie You Want to get up each morning excited to drive the car. Did not provide that. Other cars have.

I don't think I got raped on my trade-in. At $18k yes, but at $20,500 I feel blessed. The sticker for my Impreza was $25,439 Option Pckg 62 Moonroof, Auto Dim Mirror with comp, Bumper Applique, side sill plates, Aero Splash guards. I paid $24,000 and had the car for almost exactly 1 year, 13,700+ miles and a trade in of $20,500. That means I drove it for a year for Less than $300 a month incld tax diff. As stated, spoke to several dealers and all but one did not really want the car on trade, as there was no money in it for them to make a profit at my trade value. At $18k yes! That is why I jumped and signed at $20,500. And as far as Zippers comment that they sold me the Mazda 6 for more, The invoice price on the car was $29,270 and I paid $29,500. Tool. They can't keep them on the lot, so that is a great deal IMO. Just check out TrueCar. The New Mazda 6 are all new from the ground up, so comparing them to old Mazda 6 is a waste, at least to me. The prior gen 6 is a different car, different league, and I would not have bought one. Actually think they are horrible.

SG - I really started my search looking at the 2014 Mazda 3 S Grand Touring, you are correct the 2.5 engine does not come in a Manual - and you can't get white with almond leather, and then when I sat in the 2014 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, and after driving it, as stated, just go drive one. Refined, Rattle Free, Soft Touch plastics where they count, comfort, room, and I am not kidding the 6spd Trans was the key! Car fits my needs for daily commuting, provides excellent economy, luxury and hopefully excellent build quality/reliability. The 3 was a little tight and I didn't like the ergonomics of the interior.

I appreciate all the valuable information I found here by most. Good Luck! - Enjoy your cars!!!
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:35 PM   #35
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Congrats! What took you so long?
I definitely would have gone for the 6 (I like it better than the Fusion) if it were available as a hatchback/wagon. And Mazdas are generally more fun to drive compared to competing models in the same segment.
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When is the Mazda6 with the diesel engine arriving in showrooms? What tranny options will be available with that engine?
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:21 PM   #37
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When is the Mazda6 with the diesel engine arriving in showrooms? What tranny options will be available with that engine?
From what I have read... delayed til spring 2014 but will come with both a 6spd manual and 6spd automatic. 44mpg!!
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:47 AM   #38
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Congrats on your purchase! I am a Mazda fan and used to own a MazdaSpeed 6 GT. I loved that car and was very sad to have to sell it. I hear ya 110% about the Impreza... I feel the same exact way that you do. I have absolutely 0 emotional connection with my Impreza and add that to the fact that it's been 3 months waiting for a new engine because of oil consumption, I can't wait to get into something else... preferably another Mazda. I really like the look of the new Mazda 6 and 3 and plan to test drive both very soon.
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I might be driving a Mazda 3 today were it not so hideous (yeah, it's funny, makes me smile sometimes, but it looks weird, I couldn't live with it). I do like my Impreza, with a 5sp and 22mm sway bar it can outhandle most of the rest of it's class. That being said, the CVT is a piece of garbage, and you are comparing one of the best cars out there with it. So yeah, your point is valid, up to a point. I would never trade in for anything from Chevy or Toyota for that matter. Enjoy your car man! I hear that 6 really is as good as you claim.
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Congrats on your purchase! I am a Mazda fan and used to own a MazdaSpeed 6 GT. I loved that car and was very sad to have to sell it. I hear ya 110% about the Impreza... I feel the same exact way that you do. I have absolutely 0 emotional connection with my Impreza and add that to the fact that it's been 3 months waiting for a new engine because of oil consumption, I can't wait to get into something else... preferably another Mazda. I really like the look of the new Mazda 6 and 3 and plan to test drive both very soon.
So sorry to hear about your engine problems... I can only imagine how much that sucks.. I feel bad for you!! Definately go drive one, sold me, as stated the Transmission is worth the move alone. I can honestly say was a great move on my part. I definately connect with the car. I have not found anything to complain about so far. Have About 300 miles on the car and avg mpg display is 33.2. Car only weighs about 3200 lbs, sky active def is for real. The refinement and build quality seems top notch. You feel like your driving a luxury car. Actually feels so nice to just relax and drive !! Good Luck with whatever you choose!!!
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:11 PM   #42
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Have About 300 miles on the car and avg mpg display is 33.2.
Is this on the same commute that was getting you sub-par numbers with the Impreza? Definitely would be interested in the hand-calcs after a full tank or two. And have you started a Fuelly?
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:52 PM   #43
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Is this on the same commute that was getting you sub-par numbers with the Impreza? Definitely would be interested in the hand-calcs after a full tank or two. And have you started a Fuelly?
Exactly same commute, I too am totally interested to see what kind of MPG's I am now getting. I have not started Fuelly, as I always hand calc, really don't see the need, but will post real world results at first fill.

Biggest thing I have noticed so far is cold starts. Past few mornings have been about 49/50 or so, Impreza/CVT/PZEV def reved much higher/longer, Mazda 6 revs for about 45 secs, then the trans/engine relaxes and is just smooth. Granted there are more HP, but again can't say enough about the 6spd gearbox. It is soo smoooth and almost seems to learn how I like to drive, which has been very conservative. Breaking engine in. Have not gone above 3k rpm. But have not really had reason to either.

Not sure if anybody else ever did this or does?... but I used to always try to make the Impreza go to high gear (by going to manual) to lower the RPM's, and when thought was ok, then put it back in drive it would always downshift - drove me nuts, I think it was just to warm it up. Funny now that I think about it, and AWD drive car, that hates cold Temp! To be honest... comparing the 6 to the Impreza is like apples and oranges.. They are just very different. A 2.O ltr 148 HP AWD vs a 2.5 ltr 184 HP, CVT vs. a 6spd. They way about the same though. If I can get better fuel economy. We shall see. Definately more comfortable and refined,but that came at a cost $

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If you think the subaru resale is bad wait until you try to unload your mazda.
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If you think the subaru resale is bad wait until you try to unload your mazda.
Sigh. I saw this kind of thing a lot when I announced on the VW TDI forum that I was dumping my TDI and buying the Impreza. Some people just can't help but try to make the guy who is leaving "the club" feel bad. I don't know if this is motivated by jealousy, or by a need to make themselves feel somehow smarter or superior, or by fear that maybe someone else might have made a better choice.

Making the guy who is leaving the club feel bad doesn't work. I had my reasons for leaving the VW TDI club, and VWGTI has his reasons for leaving the Subaru club. And nobody is going to convince either of us that our reasons for leaving the club are wrong/illogical/stupid.

So don't bother trying. If you've got nothing supportive to say, try saying nothing at all, or be nice and wish the dude well.
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Sigh. I saw this kind of thing a lot when I announced on the VW TDI forum that I was dumping my TDI and buying the Impreza. Some people just can't help but try to make the guy who is leaving "the club" feel bad. I don't know if this is motivated by jealousy, or by a need to make themselves feel somehow smarter or superior, or by fear that maybe someone else might have made a better choice.

Making the guy who is leaving the club feel bad doesn't work. I had my reasons for leaving the VW TDI club, and VWGTI has his reasons for leaving the Subaru club. And nobody is going to convince either of us that our reasons for leaving the club are wrong/illogical/stupid.

So don't bother trying. If you've got nothing supportive to say, try saying nothing at all, or be nice and wish the dude well.
I get what you are saying, but a the same time you are always referencing data from Consumer Reports or other outside authorities to point out reality.

The reality is that Subaru's, as a brand, retain a higher resale value over time. People don't mind being seen in an older Subaru, and they are easy to sell.

So you can harp on the prior poster all you wish, but the reality is that a Mazda will likely depreciate much more than a comparable Subaru. That's a fact, not an opinion.

https://www.alg.com/insights/depreciation-ratings/

http://www.edmunds.com/car-compariso...4553&zip=10710

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Sigh. I saw this kind of thing a lot when I announced on the VW TDI forum that I was dumping my TDI and buying the Impreza. Some people just can't help but try to make the guy who is leaving "the club" feel bad. I don't know if this is motivated by jealousy, or by a need to make themselves feel somehow smarter or superior, or by fear that maybe someone else might have made a better choice.

Making the guy who is leaving the club feel bad doesn't work. I had my reasons for leaving the VW TDI club, and VWGTI has his reasons for leaving the Subaru club. And nobody is going to convince either of us that our reasons for leaving the club are wrong/illogical/stupid.

So don't bother trying. If you've got nothing supportive to say, try saying nothing at all, or be nice and wish the dude well.

Why do you always make things about you?

See zeeper post. The OP was making a statement about how our high resale value wasnt true. Which i believe is incorrect. The irony is that he traded for a car brand that has a lower resale value.

So, I made a simple statement that fit along the lines of resale value. So to recap, not bitterness or jealousy but reality

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Old 09-25-2013, 07:01 PM   #48
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If you think the subaru resale is bad wait until you try to unload your mazda.
I never said that Subaru Resale is bad. I was just sharing what I was experiencing when I went to trade in my Subaru. And I did not buy either car based upon trying to unload it. To do that would be ignorant as cars are a depreciating asset. Why would you even type that, besides just trying to take a shot, Whatever... Sorry for sharing my experience, only shared as I know there were other owners who were as unhappy with the CVT as I was.

I am not going to even get into the comparison tools supplied. Apples and oranges... Past performance is no guarantee for future results.
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Well nobody who trades in a car they bought new one year later cares about depreciation anyway, except to complain about it, and use his "past/recent performance" to project poor "future results", LOL

And there is this: A car salesman has no vested interest in paying you top dollar for your trade, or in reducing the cost of the new car any more than is necessary for you to sign the deal.

They are therefore completely unreliable sources of information as it pertains to how well your trade will sell, how many of your same used car (or better) are sitting at every other dealers lot in the nation unsold and unwanted, etc.

They have a dog in the fight, they are not neutral and objective sources of beneficial information. Edmunds is a more reliable and objective source, or Consumer Reports.

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