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Old 09-26-2013, 04:21 PM   #51
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I never said that Subaru Resale is bad. I was just sharing what I was experiencing when I went to trade in my Subaru. And I did not buy either car based upon trying to unload it. To do that would be ignorant as cars are a depreciating asset. Why would you even type that, besides just trying to take a shot, Whatever... Sorry for sharing my experience, only shared as I know there were other owners who were as unhappy with the CVT as I was.

I am not going to even get into the comparison tools supplied. Apples and oranges... Past performance is no guarantee for future results.
vw, i shouldn't have to point this out but your whole original post was an attempt at taking a shot. Thats how i read it. A simple Thank you all for the support but i have decided to go a different route and trade for a "...... bla bla" would have been a more noble and modest approach.



Either way good luck i hope you are happier with your mazda.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:26 PM   #52
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So all who have been saying how the resale of the Impreza is so great, I would seriously rebuttle that.
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I never said that Subaru Resale is bad.
These two statements do not match.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:06 PM   #53
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I WAS on the fence last weekend and looking for some other car to replace my impreza 2012 limited @ 33k km. The trade-in value is 18~22k CAD.

I've test driven Subaru Forester 2.5i (with CVT) --> Although it has adequate power, the steering is deal breaker for me and my wife, so no go. I've also been to the showroom for Acura RDX and Lexus IS 250AWD which I will pick in 2 years for myself while keeping impreza for my wife . Meanwhile, waiting for new WRX/STI to make final decision.....

Mazda 6 looks like a good car, congrats!!!
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:10 PM   #54
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These two statements do not match.
They're not mutually exclusive, though.

The saying, "not bad, but not great"? That's what those two statements form.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:28 PM   #55
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The OP got the CVT, there's the problem...
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:45 PM   #56
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Listen, seriously, I never meant for my post to be a shot. I really liked much about my Impreza - but the CVT was horrible IMO and could not take it any longer. Why should I have to? I don't so I made change that makes me happier.

My post was just to share what I was experiencing when trying to trade it in. In the end I feel thankful that I got the trade in I did, I jumped at the offer. Getting the new car at the price I wanted was gravy to be honest. But I was very concerned when 10plus dealers sang the same song, and just wanted to share with anybody else who was thinking of trading in their Impreza. To do your homework and be dilligent.

That does not mean I think resale values of Subaru is bad. It means that Maybe the Impreza right now is a hard trade in/resale? IDK, but when you hear the same thing from several dealers, it is not just random. All saying that there is no money in it for them as New Subarus have huge incentives right now. So time factor is huge also. Only time will tell what resale values of any car will be, supply demand, I think we can all agree on that. But to compare resale values of a prior gen car to just say Mazda 6's lose value faster does not make sense to me. Just look at what the elantra and sonata did. Those are shots to me. All internet sources are an invaluable tool for car buyers. And you know what, who cares. I think I did my homework, and If the car improves my situation and supplies the satisfaction needed, that is all that matters. If I really end up loving the car, that is all that matters. That should be the goal for any car buying decision IMO. If not, then move on if you can. Wasn't sure if I could, but made it work.

I truly appreciate all the comments. Love and enjoy your cars, drive the wheels off them and enjoy every mile! I am passionate about cars as many of you are. Thankfully I have had some great cars. Cars and driving put smiles on your face! I just want to get up every morning and enjoy driving my car, whatever make it is!!!
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:00 PM   #57
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A dealer had to make money reselling a car they offer $18k on and yet compete with the same year car that had no sale miles or titling that is only a few grand more. It is same for any car. Just you heard that cause you had the impreza. If they invest $18k the ROI isn't high enough to justify the investment unless its a retail trade. They knew you wouldn't pay retail, as you shouldn't, so they wouldn't have the markup. They didn't want the investment sitting costing interest. Its simple business. Just like showing a customer the "invoice price", as still that's a markup above what they have in the car. If I could sell my systems at the "invoice price" all day long I'd have a second home in aspen. I just wouldn't have a N/A cvt Subaru at that elevation. Lol.
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Old 09-27-2013, 07:00 AM   #58
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A dealer had to make money reselling a car they offer $18k on and yet compete with the same year car that had no sale miles or titling that is only a few grand more. It is same for any car. Just you heard that cause you had the impreza. If they invest $18k the ROI isn't high enough to justify the investment unless its a retail trade. They knew you wouldn't pay retail, as you shouldn't, so they wouldn't have the markup. They didn't want the investment sitting costing interest. Its simple business. Just like showing a customer the "invoice price", as still that's a markup above what they have in the car. If I could sell my systems at the "invoice price" all day long I'd have a second home in aspen. I just wouldn't have a N/A cvt Subaru at that elevation. Lol.
You make it sound like the dealers wanted to make money selling a car to him, and purposely talked down the value of his Impreza and talked up the "invoice" is amazing and non-negotiable price.

He makes it sound like they lost money selling him a new car.

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Old 09-27-2013, 07:22 PM   #59
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You make it sound like the dealers wanted to make money selling a car to him, and purposely talked down the value of his Impreza and talked up the "invoice" is amazing and non-negotiable price.

He makes it sound like they lost money selling him a new car.

LOL
The previous 2 posts make no sense to me. Does it make sense to anybody else? Just seem like more shots.. but don't even make sense.
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Old 09-27-2013, 07:42 PM   #60
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It's ok if you do not understand it. Things can be true even if we don't understand them.

I was trying to be nice and point out why you were flamed, without being derogatory. So I'll frame it another way, we don't know what we don't know. Your post was one that came from either ignorance or taking negative shots. I think it was probably the former to start with, then drifted to the later. Ignorance being the lack of knowledge about something, ie how trade ins work. Being offered $18K trade in ( apparently over the phone) with a current year car that was just 3-4 grand more new is a very normal offer. Then they plan on only having 12-13K in the car after the sale, making up the difference on the new car. Then they can ask 18-19K for the car taking 17 ish, making 4-5K on the sale. The fact that you actually got $20K and paid under sticker on Mazda says two things, you made a great deal on your car (feel good about that), AND mazdas have a high markup on their cars. Subarus do not have a high markup. Atleast the regular models, the Sti prob has a little higher even tho it's loaded with more tech than the reg impreza. I "saw" a new Z-71 Tahoe stickered for around $50K bought for mid $30K. Obv the lower price the car is, the lower the mark up is, dollar wise anyway. Percentage wise they might still be fairly close.
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Old 09-27-2013, 11:25 PM   #61
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It's ok if you do not understand it. Things can be true even if we don't understand them.

I was trying to be nice and point out why you were flamed, without being derogatory. So I'll frame it another way, we don't know what we don't know. Your post was one that came from either ignorance or taking negative shots. I think it was probably the former to start with, then drifted to the later. Ignorance being the lack of knowledge about something, ie how trade ins work. Being offered $18K trade in ( apparently over the phone) with a current year car that was just 3-4 grand more new is a very normal offer. Then they plan on only having 12-13K in the car after the sale, making up the difference on the new car. Then they can ask 18-19K for the car taking 17 ish, making 4-5K on the sale. The fact that you actually got $20K and paid under sticker on Mazda says two things, you made a great deal on your car (feel good about that), AND mazdas have a high markup on their cars. Subarus do not have a high markup. Atleast the regular models, the Sti prob has a little higher even tho it's loaded with more tech than the reg impreza. I "saw" a new Z-71 Tahoe stickered for around $50K bought for mid $30K. Obv the lower price the car is, the lower the mark up is, dollar wise anyway. Percentage wise they might still be fairly close.
Thanks for the explanation, seriously. I do think I got a great deal. At a trade in of 18k, no, but at 20,5k yes, b/c that adds to cost of the new car obviously. I knew what the invoice of the car I wanted was and paid slightly higher, $270 but only b/c spoke to several dealers who would not even entertain less than MSRP b/c the cars are selling so fast/supply/demand. Mazda doesn't have large hold backs.

My post was more from being flamed I think, dont think it was from ignorance, b/c I crunched the numbers and knew what I needed and wanted to pay. So if you take the two equations seperately, IDK if they lost money or not, don't care, I reached my goal w/out taking a bath. At 18k yes, and that is why I was sharing, if anyone was planning on attempting to do the same. I wanted out so bad, I prob would have taken the hit, but I knew what my breakeven points were and beat them thankfully. I think resale values of the Impreza will do well, but I really don't know. I was very concerned and stressing that I could not get out. Only stated that I rebuttle how great b/c of what I experienced. In the end mine did hold, but it took alot more work than I had planned, and maybe some luck too. More of the latter.

I think I do understand your posts. Zipper not so much, I took the high road on his past ones. Will do same here. Not even sure who he was poking at. Good Luck and thanks! G2sPLFD!
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:44 PM   #62
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Is this on the same commute that was getting you sub-par numbers with the Impreza? Definitely would be interested in the hand-calcs after a full tank or two. And have you started a Fuelly?
Not sure if you really wanted to know.. But said I would post #'s Just filled up, first tank. 466/13.176 (first click-no over fill)= 35.36 Super happy with that!

And in all seriousness, if anybody is looking for a 2013 Subaru Sport Limited, SWP, Ivory Leather, Moonroof, with aftermkt Sat Radio - here is the link for my old car. Never burned a drop of oil, super reliable, never abused, actually quite the opposite, was babied to get best mpg poss - Not a scratch on it. Good Luck guys!

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

If link does not work.. just google the vin# JF1GPAS64DH205271

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Old 09-29-2013, 09:27 PM   #63
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Yeah definitely interested. Crazy how mpgs can be so different on the same drive.

Saw a Mazda6 up close today. They sure are sculpted nicely. Too bad it doesn't come in wagon/hatch.
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That's my home town. vwgti123, that was a great deal you got. Huntington Mazda took the short end of the stick if they are selling your old car for $20,998.
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That recall is for the previous generation (2009 to 2013) Mazda6. VWGTI just purchased a 2014 Mazda6.
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That recall is for the previous generation (2009 to 2013) Mazda6. VWGTI just purchased a 2014 Mazda6.
Nevermind then.
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Yeah definitely interested. Crazy how mpgs can be so different on the same drive.

Saw a Mazda6 up close today. They sure are sculpted nicely. Too bad it doesn't come in wagon/hatch.
Yeh, I know what you mean. These are the numbers I was hoping to achieve/planning on with the Impreza. Not so crazy though, now that I have lived it. It is definately the PZEV, AWD and the CVT Trans IMO. For a year, was not just complaining to complain. Everything I was sharing was true and real world experiences. Others have shared the same/others have praised the MPG's. But I do recall alot of "my MPG's are this but I am ok b/c of ". So not naming names but they can quote anything they want from consumer reports etc... I have real world data/sampling in real world conditions. GTI prior rated lower and beating the EPA, Impreza not meeting, Mazda 6 one tank beating them. Granted this are just my results, but same controlled environment, only variable is the car. How can anybody rebuttle those results. That is why it pissed me off so much when Non CVT owners would rebuttle/questioning what I was living with. I couldn't and that is why I am out of the car. That doesn't mean the Impreza is a bad car at all. To me just means it did not meet my expectations. If I required AWD I would definately recomend the Impreza, but that would come with an MPG *

I am looking at both window stickers right now. Impreza 27city / 36 highway / 30 combined city/hwy ----- Mazda 6 26city / 38 highway / 30 combined city/hwy. Funny they both state 3.3 gallons per 100 miles.

They do come in a Wagon variant, just not in the US, Sucks! I would have bought that model. Just personally like wagons/hatches. More useful overall.



CLL - I do think it was a great deal, Like I said, jumped on it!! But that all aside, if the Impreza is what you desire and need, ie AWD, my old car is absolutely flawless. Somebody will buy it. It is like new. I was curious what they were going to ask for it.

Vegas - As stated the 2014 is a brand new car from the ground up. Hope they are no recalls on the 14's but that is out of my control. But I can tell you I would not have purchased a prior gen 6.

Good Luck All!
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Sounds like you finally found the perfect car for you. I am much less concerned about mpg than most here I guess. I'm more concerned about awd, space, reliability, etc. But I'm using these as fleet cars. An empty service van costs about the same as my sport premium if not more. I didn't buy this as my primary car, actually not for myself at all. I just took a liking to it and kept one for myself. I would like more power personally, so I will prob fleet this one and get a WRX, ( or maybe an Audi, still not decided yet) as I found a love for Denver and altitude wreaks havoc on N/A 2.0 anything. So I'll probably look for a turbo something. I am seeing another jab post here though, referring back to remarks from stevehm like it was plagiarized. If I personally switch brands, I'll still own Subarus in my fleet, but will prob switch to a board pertaining to that brand immediately after a thanks and bye post. That would seem a logical transition to me. Btw- if your car wasn't so far away, id entertain the idea of buying it for my new sales manager. It looks like you cared for it very nicely.
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I just had a moment with that blue Mazda6 wagon 6 speed.

giggity giggity goo!
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I am much less concerned about mpg than most here I guess. I'm more concerned about awd, space, reliability, etc.
If reliability is in your requirements list, then I'd stay away from Audi and VW.
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If reliability is in your requirements list, then I'd stay away from Audi and VW.
Ya, I do like the VW, I love the feel of German engineering. But, I know reliability is an issue. Audi, well I havnt researched much more than a drive and looks. I'd wager it'll be pretty comparable to VW ;-) so I'd imagine it'll be a WRX I'll end up with.
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If a dealer gives you 2 grand more than the typical trade in value, you are likely paying 2 grand more for the car you are buying than you could have otherwise negotiated without the trade in. It's pretty simple math. Not so sure why that is so difficult to comprehend. Deere aren't in business to lose money.
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If a dealer gives you 2 grand more than the typical trade in value, you are likely paying 2 grand more for the car you are buying than you could have otherwise negotiated without the trade in. It's pretty simple math. Not so sure why that is so difficult to comprehend. Deere aren't in business to lose money.
Don't know if your post was for me, but I appreciate your post. I do however, disagree with your statement. In theory makes sense, but real world numbers don't equate. Just check trucar.com and you will see. Just not that simple IMO. Good Luck.
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