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Old 10-01-2013, 11:41 AM   #76
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You're also comparing a naturally aspirated truck engine to a turbocharged performance car engine. Add forced induction to the GM, and it's a whole different ball of wax.
Same could be said if you added more cylinders to the boxer.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:53 AM   #77
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Except you'd get an engine that doesn't fit in anything.

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Old 10-01-2013, 12:12 PM   #78
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Except you'd get an engine that doesn't fit in anything.
Well it seems a flat 6 fits in a Legacy, or many of the various Porsche models. So it might fit in something.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:51 PM   #79
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This thread has been entertaining. I love my STI to death but thats not stopping me from test driving a c6 vette this weekend that im hoping to trade into. Everything I read more and more supports my decision including this thread.

My build list on the sti is roughly around 15 grand to get it to the point Id like it, then its just waiting for things to go wrong on the finicky engine no matter what quality parts you use. If I throw a decent cam, long tubes, and an intake (all soooo much cheaper than 15 grand) on the LS I'll see around 500 whp easy and wont have to worry one bit about reliablility. Sure I wont be able to drive it in the snow but I have an awd explorer for that, and the vette will eat the vast majority of subarus in a straight line and in the curves.

boils down to this

"LSX>EJ"

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Old 10-01-2013, 09:13 PM   #80
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This thread has been entertaining. I love my STI to death but thats not stopping me from test driving a c6 vette this weekend that im hoping to trade into. Everything I read more and more supports my decision including this thread.

My build list on the sti is roughly around 15 grand to get it to the point Id like it, then its just waiting for things to go wrong on the finicky engine no matter what quality parts you use. If I throw a decent cam, long tubes, and an intake (all soooo much cheaper than 15 grand) on the LS I'll see around 500 whp easy and wont have to worry one bit about reliablility. Sure I wont be able to drive it in the snow but I have an awd explorer for that, and the vette will eat the vast majority of subarus in a straight line and in the curves.

boils down to this

"LSX>EJ"
I agree. The corvette always has the best dollar to performance ratio. Comparing the two cars though is a waste of time.

I say corvette for summer and subie for winter. Pretty simple, but unfortunately I always need at least 4 seats (kids), so no vette for me yet.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:36 AM   #81
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I agree. The corvette always has the best dollar to performance ratio. Comparing the two cars though is a waste of time.

I say corvette for summer and subie for winter. Pretty simple, but unfortunately I always need at least 4 seats (kids), so no vette for me yet.
Certainly very hard if not impossible to compare the suby and vette. I fortunately do not have kids yet. Convinced the wifey this might be a fun, good idea. If I can get it before I go down the kids road then maybe once im there I can just pick up another suby.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:16 AM   #82
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Certainly very hard if not impossible to compare the suby and vette. I fortunately do not have kids yet. Convinced the wifey this might be a fun, good idea. If I can get it before I go down the kids road then maybe once im there I can just pick up another suby.
If I had the money would do the same thing. Sadly graduate school costs a lot of money and my winter car became the wives when we got married
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Ok. Sorry i was a idiot and started ths stupid thread. I really dont hate LS. I hav a couple buddys that have them an there quick. But they have twice the money in there motors than i do an im still faster. It is very true that i do have a lighter car an ther motor in mine would be faster. I like the unique sound an the bein different part of my car though. You can go to town an see 20 LS. An see no subies. At least were i live. It looks like thers not many people on here that agree with me though.
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I need the 4 seats as I have kiddos. The sti is no were near the "ultimate" performance machine but its a damn fun car to drive and have. I think were people screw up is they try to make the car something its not meant or designed to be by throwing $$$$ at it, making some crazy power on ~2ish Liters and then blowing something up after a short period.

I would love to buy a 4-5 year old vette and turbocharge it. It would be a fun project car, its just they are so damn ugly...(and common)

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I need the 4 seats as I have kiddos. The sti is no were near the "ultimate" performance machine but its a damn fun car to drive and have. I think were people screw up is they try to make the car something its not meant or designed to be by throwing $$$$ at it, making some crazy power on ~2ish Liters and then blowing something up after a short period.

I would love to buy a 4-5 year old vette and turbocharge it. It would be a fun project car, its just they are so damn ugly...(and common)

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Go for a GTO then, i believe the 4-5 year old vettes have the LS2 in them, an 05-06 GTO also has the LS2 and they are far rarer then the Corvette
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I need the 4 seats as I have kiddos. The sti is no were near the "ultimate" performance machine but its a damn fun car to drive and have. I think were people screw up is they try to make the car something its not meant or designed to be by throwing $$$$ at it, making some crazy power on ~2ish Liters and then blowing something up after a short period.

I would love to buy a 4-5 year old vette and turbocharge it. It would be a fun project car, its just they are so damn ugly...(and common)

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To each his own and I agree about peoples expectations with the sti. It is like you said, a damn fun car to drive. No bashing from me, but you might be the only person I have ever met that thinks the c6's are ugly, common yes, no more common than our subys these days though. Even the old vette gurus came around on the design. Im looking at an 07, going to start with cam, tubes, heads, and somewhere down the road probably a supercharger since the engines take to them so well with minimum crazy modification.
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I agree that vets look absolutely hideous. But it's still a vet
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I love the boxer rumble and I love my LSX engine, thats why I have both
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Boxer rumble, LOL. If I never hear that term again it would be too soon.


The sound has NOTHING to do with opposed cylinders and everything to do with exhaust manifold design.
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are unequal length headers considered an exhaust manifold?
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Boxer rumble, LOL. If I never hear that term again it would be too soon.


The sound has NOTHING to do with opposed cylinders and everything to do with exhaust manifold design.
Not completely true. UEL header/manifold has a lot to do with it. But there are a lot of Honda guys who use EUL headers and it still doesn't sound the same. Similar but even the 2.0 I4 or the 2.4 I4 don't match the sound. Not to mention the 05 and 06 Scion TC's had factory UEL manifolds and while they did have a deeper exhaust note it's the "boxer rumble". So I'd say is a mixture of boxer and UEL.

Here's a honda with UEL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8hsR...ature=youtu.be

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To each his own and I agree about peoples expectations with the sti. It is like you said, a damn fun car to drive. No bashing from me, but you might be the only person I have ever met that thinks the c6's are ugly, common yes, no more common than our subys these days though. Even the old vette gurus came around on the design. Im looking at an 07, going to start with cam, tubes, heads, and somewhere down the road probably a supercharger since the engines take to them so well with minimum crazy modification.
If you plan on a sc in the future just make sure you match the cam to it. Check out Texas speed. They grind custom ones off of comp cams and they are amazing. They have one designed for forced introduction and can be put in before you get it and will still work OK. I have there torquer v3 (can't be combined with a sc, but amazing n/a)
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Same could be said if you added more cylinders to the boxer.
So you mean the EG33 and the EZ30?
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American V8> EJ. It's true. Love it and live it.
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Headers and manifold are essentially interchangeable terms.
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this thread is a pure joy to me....im laughin so hard at the stupidity here

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Man, I can't figure out what your opinion is to see what you disagree with. Generally a response from you doesn't generate any passing of knowledge or deep thought showing someone the light, just simplistic attempts on insulting. If there are so many people who are ignorant while you seem to be all knowing may I suggest you attempt to try to pass along knowledge. I have down to either you enjoy trying to create drama, you have a limited vocabulary where idiot is the best verb you can come up with, or that you really are perfect and know everything. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and I will admit after going through your threads you do have a very good knowledge set of Subarus, so I will assume you are perfect and do in fact know the prefect way of being and knowledge to have. Since I am assuming this is the case I would take to opportunity to learn, what is a perfect post to you? Could you let all of us know how to go about posting. Sadly some of us don’t have a hopping regional forum like you so have to come into the general community. Maybe create a new thread explaining the way to perfectly post, if it’s good enough it will become a sticky. You can’t expect the situation to improve if you aren’t willing to share knowledge; I am assuming you had to start somewhere as-well. Since you seem to hate the knowledge around here try contributing to it instead of holding so much of it to yourself and get mad when others are looking for a helpful hand with knowledge.

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Man, I can't figure out what your opinion is to see what you disagree with. Generally a response from you doesn't generate any passing of knowledge or deep thought showing someone the light, just simplistic attempts on insulting. If there are so many people who are ignorant while you seem to be all knowing may I suggest you attempt to try to pass along knowledge. I have down to either you enjoy trying to create drama, you have a limited vocabulary where idiot is the best verb you can come up with, or that you really are perfect and know everything. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and I will admit after going through your threads you do have a very good knowledge set of Subarus, so I will assume you are perfect and do in fact know the prefect way of being and knowledge to have. Since I am assuming this is the case I would take to opportunity to learn, what is a perfect post to you? Could you let all of us know how to go about posting. Sadly some of us don’t have a hopping regional forum like you so have to come into the general community. Maybe create a new thread explaining the way to perfectly post, if it’s good enough it will become a sticky. You can’t expect the situation to improve if you aren’t willing to share knowledge; I am assuming you had to start somewhere as-well. Since you seem to hate the knowledge around here try contributing to it instead of holding so much of it to yourself and get mad when others are looking for a helpful hand with knowledge.

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This is NASIOC. Are you expecting everything to be sugarcoated and everyone to be nice and not to the point?
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This is NASIOC. Are you expecting everything to be sugarcoated and everyone to be nice and not to the point?
If it was straight to the point I wouldn't have to ask now would I. I don't believe calling people idiots all the time for beginning there knowledge into cars isn't at all straight to the point. How does someone learn? Its the excuse people use when they want to be dicks online cause they know there is no backlash. I guess I just thought people didn't pop out of their mom's vagina knowing everything, but I am glad that you did.

And I don't quite get how you think passing all knowledge through explanation as sugar coating it.

Tell someone to **** of they are an idiot teaches them nothing but not to listen to you, telling them "no, a Bov will not help **** because our OEM one does just fine to even high horse power applications" will actually solve the problem better cause they won't blow up.
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