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Old 10-19-2013, 02:15 PM   #51
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I vote for Stock location EFR7163, then daily it and enjoy the heck out of it. Excited to see whats next regardless!
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:16 PM   #52
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Sounds good, I'll let you know.

That's what my tuner says too, weird.

We'll see! Either way, it should be a good time.

This is a pic from fobia, I think. Not sure if I have any of my own. Probably at home on my laptop.

Here's a funny one of the turbo next to my stock vf39 that I found while looking, though.
Ha, That is funny. In the first Pic the 83-75 with the black cover is my old turbo. Notice the sneaky IHI/VF-39 stencil... Wanna race a stock turbo Subaru?
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:59 PM   #53
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LMFAO That's good dude!
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:17 PM   #54
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Ha, That is funny. In the first Pic the 83-75 with the black cover is my old turbo. Notice the sneaky IHI/VF-39 stencil... Wanna race a stock turbo Subaru?
I think there's a chance that I have your exact turbo.

Manitou, are you still running that dom3.5xtr w/ ID1300s? That's a very similar setup to what I've got my eye on. Perhaps a 4.0 or 5.0. These five-o 1600s don't like to idle very well and I hate driving around feeling like the car is gonna die.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:33 PM   #55
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I think there's a chance that I have your exact turbo.

Manitou, are you still running that dom3.5xtr w/ ID1300s? That's a very similar setup to what I've got my eye on. Perhaps a 4.0 or 5.0. These five-o 1600s don't like to idle very well and I hate driving around feeling like the car is gonna die.
If it is a BW 83-75 with a black compressor cover and VF-39/IHI stenciled on it then you do! Great turbo I was able to make a little over 600 WHP and it really came on quick. To the tune of 300WTQ before 3500RPM.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:36 PM   #56
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If it is a BW 83-75 with a black compressor cover and VF-39/IHI stenciled on it then you do! Great turbo I was able to make a little over 600 WHP and it really came on quick. To the tune of 300WTQ before 3500RPM.
It isn't black anymore. I think the PO might have stripped it. Anyway, yea, it's been a great turbo, just ready to get back to a little bit more of a 'low key' setup. Hah.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:37 PM   #57
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I think there's a chance that I have your exact turbo.

Manitou, are you still running that dom3.5xtr w/ ID1300s? That's a very similar setup to what I've got my eye on. Perhaps a 4.0 or 5.0. These five-o 1600s don't like to idle very well and I hate driving around feeling like the car is gonna die.
Yeah and I'll tell you for a nearly 600 whp car it drives very well on the street, the ID1300 are the ****. I often pull away from a stop in second gear and lug around town in third. It does help to have the 9.6:1 CR for the off boost driving. I do love this 3.5 it's great combo of spool and upper end power! The pump gas tune still needs some work but I'm loving the E85 tune at 28-29 psi!

I'm not done with the 3.5 though and I think I'm going to make a change in the HS housing this winter, something a bit different in the stock location. I've talked to Mike Malin about doing a 4.5xtr with the 68mm 35r turbine wheel and the slight smaller dom 4 comp wheel. Like a bigger version of the dom 3.5.

I'm also adding a KB BAP at the moment, I hit the limit of the wiring through the FPC. I know I could just wire it direct, which is what the BAP will do but I'll have a bit more control to go over the 13.9-14 volts from the battery!
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:42 PM   #58
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Yeah and I'll tell you for a nearly 600 whp car it drives very well on the street, the ID1300 are the ****. I often pull away from a stop in second gear and lug around town in third. It does help to have the 9.6:1 CR for the off boost driving. I do love this 3.5 it's great combo of spool and upper end power! The pump gas tune still needs some work but I'm loving the E85 tune at 28-29 psi!

I'm not done with the 3.5 though and I think I'm going to make a change in the HS housing this winter, something a bit different in the stock location. I've talked to Mike Malin about doing a 4.5xtr with the 68mm 35r turbine wheel and the slight smaller dom 4 comp wheel. Like a bigger version of the dom 3.5.

I'm also adding a KB BAP at the moment, I hit the limit of the wiring through the FPC. I know I could just wire it direct, which is what the BAP will do but I'll have a bit more control to go over the 13.9-14 volts from the battery!
Nice, I'll be interested in seeing what you come up with. I'll probably get in touch with someone at blouch about options, as part of the motivation for the stock location turbo is to use the car more extensively for product testing purposes. I'm running the 465 hardwired around the FPC. Haven't had issues yet, but we'll see how long the pump lasts. I don't put a whole lot of miles on it though, so I'm not too concerned. I'm tempted to try something bigger than the 3.5, but after having the power, I know that 550-600whp is really all I need/want.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:22 PM   #59
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Nice, I'll be interested in seeing what you come up with. I'll probably get in touch with someone at blouch about options, as part of the motivation for the stock location turbo is to use the car more extensively for product testing purposes. I'm running the 465 hardwired around the FPC. Haven't had issues yet, but we'll see how long the pump lasts. I don't put a whole lot of miles on it though, so I'm not too concerned. I'm tempted to try something bigger than the 3.5, but after having the power, I know that 550-600whp is really all I need/want.
I like the idea of the 4.5 but the 3.5 makes great torque and I think I'll make the torque earlier and gains up top with my changes over the winter. Bottom line is I feel my build is well balanced, stealth and a decent driver.
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:11 PM   #60
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Such a smooth graph. Sick build man.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:41 PM   #61
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Such a sick build. love this setup
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:57 AM   #62
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Well, here's a bit of an update. First, I realized that I never posted this chart after some time on the dyno last spring. This is where we ended up with the old setup at around 30psi.



I've done some thinking on what to do next and my plan has changed a bit since I last posted. I'd still like to make good power (I've got some fast friends that I'd like to keep up with), but am going to experiment with a more simple setup. Here's the plan. I decided to switch from the five-o 1600s to ID1300s for better drivability (hopefully). We'll see if the hardwired walbro 465 can keep up at higher base pressures. If not, I'll build a surge tank, ditch the 465 for a smaller lift pump and run a larger inline pump (or a pair of 044s).

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- Precision PTE6266, JB, v-band in/out, ported 's' cover
- Turbosmart 40mm EWG
- GrimmSpeed ported exhaust manifolds, ceramic coated
- GrimmSpeed Crosspipe, ceramic coated
- GrimmSpeed 40mm EWG up-pipe, modified for slightly rotated v-band turbo, ceramic coated
- GrimmSpeed Downpipe, modified for slightly rotated turbo, ceramic coated
- GrimmSpeed TMIC y-pipe, modified for turbo location, ported
- GrimmSpeed TMIC, thermal dispersant coated, tapped for MAP sensor
- GrimmSpeed TMIC splitter
- GrimmSpeed hybrid boost control setup (MBC and BCS)

I'm mostly interested in seeing the potential of a setup like this, that utilizes a lot of the same parts that somebody with a stock location turbo might run.

As a side project, primarily for fun, I'll also be getting the car as light as possible. I've got the A/C pulled and covered the firewall in heat reflective tape, hoping to keep the interior a little cooler on the really hot days. With the very heavy FMIC setup gone, I can build a lighter weight bumper beam. I'll likely do the same in the rear, although admittedly, I haven't pulled the cover to see what it looks like back there. I suppose now would also be an appropriate time to remove the trailer hitch.

As always, I'm very open to thoughts/opinions/etc! At this point, I don't have any particular goals/purpose in mind for the car - sort of just seeing how it evolves. I'd like to dabble in time attack events at some point, but my schedule and budget won't allow it this summer, so there's no rush. Getting engaged and planning a wedding is taking a decent bite out of my funstuff fund and living in MN makes getting to GTA events more of a chore! We'll see, I suppose.

Since I don't have much of a real update, just words, here's a good friends car that I've been putting some time into when I'm not working on my own. Turbo stuff is fun - doesn't have to be a Subaru!


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Old 03-22-2014, 01:52 PM   #63
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This things a beast!
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:19 PM   #64
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I agree. Solid numbers. Wonder how much power you would pick up on the top end with +1 valves and some porting.
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Old 03-22-2014, 09:00 PM   #65
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Why arnt you using the Fobia turbo setup again? I don't get why your ditching a TS setup for a hacked up stock location.
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Thanks for the kind words!
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I agree. Solid numbers. Wonder how much power you would pick up on the top end with +1 valves and some porting.
Thanks! Your build is one that I've always kept an eye on. I've definitely learned a thing or two since this motor went together a couple years ago. I've already got a spare short block set aside and will have it sleeved and begin building it in the fall. I'm planning on letting fuji have his way with my heads and will use larger valves, so we'll get a comparison on this new setup.
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Why arnt you using the Fobia turbo setup again? I don't get why your ditching a TS setup for a hacked up stock location.
For fun? Because I want to? I like new projects? I'm not sure I'd call it hacked up, but I suppose you guys can be the judge when it's all finished. Luckily for us both, I live just a few miles from Matt (fobia) and he'd be happy to fab something new for me if I'm truly unhappy with my 'hacked up stock location' setup.

I know my new stuff won't be as 'badass' and I'll lose scene points or whatever. I care very little about both of those.

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Old 03-22-2014, 10:36 PM   #67
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Didn't mean it in a bad way and hacked up was proly a bad word to use. I just figured you'd have him fab up a whole new setup VS buying a stock location setup then having him mod it....but what do I know.


Completely understand doing something new/different/ what u wanna do.

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If you're set on the stock location maybe run an aftermarket header. Maybe the one from ets?

But I don't know... Still think you'd be losing some response by moving from twin scroll to single. Lots of proven single scroll setups though. Depends on what you do with the car too.
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Old 03-22-2014, 11:50 PM   #69
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Didn't mean it in a bad way and hacked up was proly a bad word to use. I just figured you'd have him fab up a whole new setup VS buying a stock location setup then having him mod it....but what do I know.


Completely understand doing something new/different/ what u wanna do.

Goodluck and have fun!!!
No worries! Part of the fun is doing it myself, so that's the plan. I suppose I should just call it rotated, since thats what it will be. I already own all of the stock location parts, the there's really no additional cost associated with it aside from a cheap turbo. Call it a science experiment.

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If you're set on the stock location maybe run an aftermarket header. Maybe the one from ets?

But I don't know... Still think you'd be losing some response by moving from twin scroll to single. Lots of proven single scroll setups though. Depends on what you do with the car too.
I think the ported stock exhaust manifolds and GS crosspipe/up-pipe combo will be a very robust setup and plenty capable of supporting the power that I'd like to make. We'll see though. I also definitely missed the UEL sound with that TS setup.

As far as the response goes, I'll be interested to see how it's affected. It's a larger turbo and single scroll, but I'm also eliminating a massive amount of volume in the system by going from fmic to tmic. This new setup will be 50lbs or so lighter, I'd estimate.

As for how the car is used, for this summer, it's just a street car. I'll probably daily drive it and horse around on the weekends with friends. Maybe a track day or two? In the future, who knows, but I clearly have no qualms about switching up the car, so if another setup is better for what I'd like to do with the car, it's pretty straight forward.

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I should also mention that I'm as uncertain about how this will work out as you guys are. That's what makes it interesting for me.
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:09 AM   #71
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:01 PM   #72
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I don't know man, it seems like going backwards with the PnP'd stocker manifolds. I'd suggest a Killer B Holy Header. They will definitely help that 6266 to spool quicker. There's DIY roatated up pipe kit for the header. I definitely like the ID1300's and Junior just tuned his 6466 and ID2000's with a single hardwired Walbro 485 to 620ish at 29psi.
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:14 PM   #73
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Is there by chance a partnership with grimmspeed in this build? Between the parts list and your location it'd make sense!

Looking forward to the end result! Are you thinking about any other part changes?
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I don't know man, it seems like going backwards with the PnP'd stocker manifolds. I'd suggest a Killer B Holy Header. They will definitely help that 6266 to spool quicker. There's DIY roatated up pipe kit for the header. I definitely like the ID1300's and Junior just tuned his 6466 and ID2000's with a single hardwired Walbro 485 to 620ish at 29psi.
Good to hear on the 1300s. You're review of them is part of what gave me the confidence that they'd work well for me.
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Is there by chance a partnership with grimmspeed in this build? Between the parts list and your location it'd make sense!

Looking forward to the end result! Are you thinking about any other part changes?
Something like that, haha.

Not sure yet. On the last build, I went ahead and just changed everything. Even if I'm going backwards on this one, it'll let me be a little bit more scientific about the changes that I make. Like I've said a million times before, that's the fun part for me.
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Turbo showed up today and she's a beauty! Hoping to do some mockup this weekend, but we'll see what kind of free time I end up with.



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