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Old 11-07-2013, 02:21 PM   #26
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OP, I was in the same boat as you a couple years ago. My first subaru was a 98 2.2L impreza, slow as ****. I looked into what it takes to turbocharge the N/A motor reliably and it just doesn't make sense. At the end of the day it'll be about the same price for a EJ205 (02-05 wrx motor) as it would be to mess around with turbo-ing stock motor. You can pick up a used 205 for like $1500 but then you have to merge wiring harnesses and worry about blowing up your tranny. A decent wrx bugeye can be had for under $8000 (for 18K you can get a good 06/07 wrx), and you get so much more for your money then you would get modding your car. I assume you're young, so why don't you take a couple years, learn how to really drive, save some money and buy a wrx when the time is right. my $0.02
You pretty much summarize my on going issue, currently. I've gotten lots of feedback about how I should just use an wrx motor, except I don't have all that time an money to put into a motor. I am pretty young, I'm only 16 turning 17 this month, and it's my first car.

What I concluded is to just make my car good for handling, because I can't do much for the speed besides exhaust and minor fixes. I think I'll just wait till I go to college to find a 06 or 07 wrx, that way it'll be faster without all the painful mods. I think I just need to wait on it, it'll eventually turn out well.

Good things come to those who wait, right? So I'll just give it some time.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:40 PM   #27
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i think thats probably the wise thing to do. I learned through experience that throwing money into something you don't absolutely love is a waste. It's really worth the wait for something that will be better in every aspect.

My suggestion is to get into local auto-x. Nothing feels better than beating an STI with a slower car plus you can push your car way harder than you ever could on the street, and learn how to really drive well in the process.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:52 PM   #28
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You're either going to need to save a pretty chunk of change or work a lot throughout college to afford a nice WRX.

The smart thing to do would be save all the way through college and then purchase once you are done. I assume you will also have to pay off student loans, which can get expensive.

As far as mods to your current car go - sway bars and end links make a HUGE difference in handling and body roll. And you could also find some decent cheap springs/struts. Bushings are a cheap way to stiffen everything up as well.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:58 PM   #29
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i think thats probably the wise thing to do. I learned through experience that throwing money into something you don't absolutely love is a waste. It's really worth the wait for something that will be better in every aspect. My suggestion is to get into local auto-x. Nothing feels better than beating an STI with a slower car plus you can push your car way harder than you ever could on the street, and learn how to really drive well in the process.
Ya, I'm probably just going to get the car that I want in a few years time, when I actually have the money. Instead of throwing money away on something that may or may not work.

I might actually look into that! I know of a few auto-x's, so I think I might look into that. They look like tons of fun, and any let me learn a few things about my car and driving.

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You're either going to need to save a pretty chunk of change or work a lot throughout college to afford a nice WRX. The smart thing to do would be save all the way through college and then purchase once you are done. I assume you will also have to pay off student loans, which can get expensive. As far as mods to your current car go - sway bars and end links make a HUGE difference in handling and body roll. And you could also find some decent cheap springs/struts. Bushings are a cheap way to stiffen everything up as well.
As it is, I think I'll give it some time before I get a nice WRX, so I'm gonna focus on handling at the moment. Are good sway bars and end links expensive? I've found a lot different springs and struts for sake, so m going to look into that, and improve handling around corners.

I've seen people would extend their axels to improve handling, I know it would give it a wider stance, but does it make the cornering shaper? An it seems like an expensive mod, what's your opinion?

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Old 11-07-2013, 03:13 PM   #30
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Ya, I'm probably just going to get the car that I want in a few years time, when I actually have the money. Instead of throwing money away on something that may or may not work.

I might actually look into that! I know of a few auto-x's, so I think I might look into that. They look like tons of fun, and any let me learn a few things about my car and driving.


As it is, I think I'll give it some time before I get a nice WRX, so I'm gonna focus on handling at the moment. Are good sway bars and end links expensive? I've found a lot different springs and struts for sake, so m going to look into that, and improve handling around corners.

I've seen people would extend their axels to improve handling, I know it would give it a wider stance, but does it make the cornering shaper? An it seems like an expensive mod, what's your opinion?
Changing the suspension geometry is expensive, and will make it harder to run in auto-x because of the rules. Sway bars are some of the best bang for the buck mods. Since this is a daily driver, I'd recommend you don't go and get the biggest available bars for your application. 22 mm should be enough.
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:28 PM   #31
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Changing the suspension geometry is expensive, and will make it harder to run in auto-x because of the rules. Sway bars are some of the best bang for the buck mods. Since this is a daily driver, I'd recommend you don't go and get the biggest available bars for your application. 22 mm should be enough.
Competing in auto-x's necessarily isn't my biggest concern, but making it a fun driving car around town, and taking it up to the mountains for skiing. Pretty much just a daily driver with the occasional mods for taking it out for a few drives.

I'll look into that, I'm just looking to make it more of a better ride.
Currently the body sways quite a bit when take corners, and hopefully the springs and struts will reduce that.

What are some good brands for sway bars? I don't know all that much about them
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Sway bars will reduce body roll for a bit less than springs and struts, are a lot easier to install, and won't affect how the car rides over bumps. Ideally, you should be thinking about upgrading both, but sways alone are a more enjoyable experience. Whiteline, perrin, cusco, eibach, are a few brands of sways. Check the suspension forum and read the stickies.
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:59 PM   #33
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I am pretty young, I'm only 16 turning 17 this month, and it's my first car.
Unless you've been driving for awhile, you've got a lot to learn in the driving department. Get some books on suspension systems, learn how they work, and look around for relatively affordable upgrades to improve the handling of your car (and that includes tires). Then, go to an auto-x event and talk (respectfully) to the really good drivers for a few tips. You'll be surprised at how "fast" you can go without having a lot of HP available under your right foot.

One of my all-time favorite cars I owned was a Triumph Spitfire. A whopping 63HP, but only around 1600 lbs. With a few simple suspension upgrades, that thing reminded me of my racing kart. Absolute ball to drive, and fun even at legal speeds.
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Sway bars will reduce body roll for a bit less than springs and struts, are a lot easier to install, and won't affect how the car rides over bumps. Ideally, you should be thinking about upgrading both, but sways alone are a more enjoyable experience. Whiteline, perrin, cusco, eibach, are a few brands of sways. Check the suspension forum and read the stickies.
I found some good sway bars for my car, and not that bad of a price. They're eibach.

For suspension wise I was thinking more along the lines of eibach and tein. They have a pretty good reputation and from what I've read, they're the top two brands. So I probably will just get the ones that appeal to me more,
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Im running whiteline 22mm sways front and rear on my legacy gt wagon and absolutley love them. Well worth the price. Endlinks are a must if you go thicker and make sure you change as many bushings as you can front and rear. The car will feel brand new afterwards.

I went power first with my leggy. And 303whp on stock suspension will scare the **** out of you. Take it from my lessons learned. Stop and turn well before you go fast.

Nasoicanuck... Good to see a fellow canuck in the mix. Im raising my timmies to ya.
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Im running whiteline 22mm sways front and rear on my legacy gt wagon and absolutley love them. Well worth the price. Endlinks are a must if you go thicker and make sure you change as many bushings as you can front and rear. The car will feel brand new afterwards.
Did you notice a lot of improvement in the overall handling? I found some pretty nice sway bars for not a bad price, and I think I'm going to look into it. I just can't decide whether to do springs or sway bars first
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Did you notice a lot of improvement in the overall handling? I found some pretty nice sway bars for not a bad price, and I think I'm going to look into it. I just can't decide whether to do springs or sway bars first
Swaybars 100% first. Cheap and very easy to install on ramps.

I noticed a huge difference on my RS going from the stock 13mm rear to just the WRX 20mm bar. I also upgraded my end links to Kartboys units front and rear.
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If you are dead set on keeping your N/A car and not swapping in for a WRX/STI powertrain - then a lightweight flywheel, intake manifold spacer, lightweight crank pulley, intake, and exhaust are a good start. Not massive HP gains, but noticeable. Also suspension mods in these cars make for an awesome ride - you won't win in a straight line - but you'll be able to hold it together in the curves at least.

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this is some great advice for you.

i had an 02 obs and really got a big bang for my buck with a light weight crank pulley. makes your motor rev a lot easier. i also ran a "torque box" style intake setup. search over at rs25.com for that. (stock airbox, drop in filter, and a 94 accord cheapo air intake tube to replace your factory piping) i also ran a stock wrx exhaust. you have to have the flange rotated by an exhaust shop, but otherwise bolts right on.

it takes BIG money to get power out of an n/a. how do i know? because i spent over 5k stroking a ej255 block out to 2.7 with high compression pistons, adding delta 1500 cams, grimmspeed phenolic spacers, porting and polishing my ej251 heads, adding a 12 pound fidanza flywheel and stage one exedy clutch.

it was a ton of fun, but was also foolish and way too expensive, when i look back on it. i should've called it good with the suspension, drivetrain bushings, intake, exhaust etc. cracking open the motor in the name of moar power is where you should draw the line. i ended up selling the car and buying a wrx. should've done that waaay before the motor build.

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Did you notice a lot of improvement in the overall handling? I found some pretty nice sway bars for not a bad price, and I think I'm going to look into it. I just can't decide whether to do springs or sway bars first
i would do swaybars first. your stock rear bar is a massive 13mm. you'll also want to upgrade to some HD rear swaybar mounts:
http://www.subarugenuineparts.com/pr...oducts_id=1230

before i added kyb gr-2 struts and tein h-tech springs, i added a rear adjustable 22mm rallitek rear swaybar, those subaru HD swaybar mounts, and front and rear steel whiteline endlinks, and whiteline front sway bar bushing. it was the best suspension upgrade i did!

if you're only 16, you have plenty of time to get that powerful dream car. insuring a wrx at your age will not be cheap either. i would focus on suspension and tranny upgrades (shifter bushings, group n tranny mount, rear diff bushings, rear subframe bolts, etc.) those things are inexpensive and easy installs to tackle yourself.

i would also look into some local rallyx or autox chapters. both are great ways to learn how to drive your car better.
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Swaybars 100% first. Cheap and very easy to install on ramps.

I noticed a huge difference on my RS going from the stock 13mm rear to just the WRX 20mm bar. I also upgraded my end links to Kartboys units front and rear.
I might do that the sway bars first, I found a set for front and back at 22mm. I'll do that and hopefully it helps a lot, then I'll focus on the springs and maybe struts
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do sways first for sure. your car will turn way flatter, without pushing.

your 02 probably has a fair amount of miles, and thus your struts are probably near needing replaced. i wouldn't even consider springs unless you're willing to also replace your struts at the same time.
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do sways first for sure. your car will turn way flatter, without pushing. your 02 probably has a fair amount of miles, and thus your struts are probably near needing replaced. i wouldn't even consider springs unless you're willing to also replace your struts at the same time.
Ya my 02 has about 115k on it, so I probably might need it.

I'm pretty sure my whole suspension is pretty ruined anyways. It makes creaking noises and stuff, so I think the struts and springs need replacing. But the main thing I'll be doing is sways.
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That creaking is 100% bushing noise. Replace them with some nice polly bushing. Again try whiteline performance suspension parts. Wicked prices and awesome products.

As somone above me said, dont do spring unless your also doing struts. Again, check whiteline out. Im not a whiteline fanboi but for the money vs quality argument. They are hard to beat. Ive ran Kartboy products before and they havnt held up to well after a few autoX and full track seasions.

As for brakes, any metal rotor will work, if you want bling go with either DBA rotors or some stoptechs. For pads i would use a set of Hawk hps pads.

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Old 11-08-2013, 04:23 AM   #43
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That creaking is 100% bushing noise. Replace them with some nice polly bushing. Again try whiteline performance suspension parts. Wicked prices and awesome products. As somone above me said, dont do spring unless your also doing struts. Again, check whiteline out. Im not a whiteline fanboi but for the money vs quality argument. They are hard to beat. Ive ran Kartboy products before and they havnt held up to well after a few autoX and full track seasions. As for brakes, any metal rotor will work, if you want bling go with either DBA rotors or some stoptechs. For pads i would use a set of Hawk hps pads.
So is the creaking noise a bushing related issue? It only occurs when I've been cornering pretty hard, or when my cars packed with people. Although it doesn't happen all the time, like I said, only when lots of weight or cornering. What causes my bushing to creak like that? Are they just old or are the shot?

Currently I don't have enough money for the struts and springs, so I'm gonna aim for sway bars at the moment. When I get that done I'll do struts and springs. This may sound like an unintelligent question, but why do I need to replace struts when I get new springs?
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:55 AM   #44
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Your bushings are all old, dry and starting to crack. Like i said, start with bushings and see what happens with the creaking. Also im not sure if your ball joints have grease nipples.... Lol. But see what maintence librication wise you can do.
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