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Old 12-18-2013, 09:45 AM   #76
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WRX still didnt get any brake upgrades...
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:49 AM   #77
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Was this a review of a WRX or a Legacy? Couldn't tell?
agree completely. it seems great(will get used to styling) but it seems like too many subaru's in the same niche, on road. subies should go off road. if some ground clearance is necessary the options are, forester, crosstrek, or outback. bummer. throw that drivetrain-cvt in a crosstrek, that would be fun.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:52 AM   #78
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WRX still didnt get any brake upgrades...
You serious? 12.4 rotors is a pretty decent upgrade.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:29 AM   #79
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STI better do something magnificent like 400hp to keep me with Subaru. No more of this 300hp bull...Wrx is upping the hp and specs and STI just keeps it the same?

Unfortunately for me I need a new car and I want awd and turbo...guess ill find it elsewhere.

Oh and whats with the 0-60? 6 seconds? My 03 wrx 2.0lt with much less technology and hp was 0-60 in 5.7 from what I remember.

AND you lost the UEL headers!!! STUPID SUBARU! You are ruining our beloved rally car for a CIVICORROLA!!!
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:51 AM   #80
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STI better do something magnificent like 400hp to keep me with Subaru. No more of this 300hp bull...Wrx is upping the hp and specs and STI just keeps it the same?

Unfortunately for me I need a new car and I want awd and turbo...guess ill find it elsewhere.

Oh and whats with the 0-60? 6 seconds? My 03 wrx 2.0lt with much less technology and hp was 0-60 in 5.7 from what I remember.

AND you lost the UEL headers!!! STUPID SUBARU! You are ruining our beloved rally car for a CIVICORROLA!!!

Um, wut? First off, you can't have a UEL with a twin-scroll turbo unless you want to be prone to more engine fail... Y'know what, I'm not even gonna.

You might as well start looking elsewhere, STI is going to have the same 305 hp than last year according to the leaked dealer pricing sheets.
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:12 AM   #81
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Um, wut? First off, you can't have a UEL with a twin-scroll turbo unless you want to be prone to more engine fail... Y'know what, I'm not even gonna.

You might as well start looking elsewhere, STI is going to have the same 305 hp than last year according to the leaked dealer pricing sheets.
I realize. So your saying you love the styling and loss of the markie sound that makes a wrx and sti sound like a beefed up v6 not a rice banger? They made it work without prior with the UEL headers, why couldn't they have made it work now? Just not my cup of tea. Its dead to me. Trust me, I have already began looking elsewhere.
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:13 AM   #82
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Despite everything Subaru has done to improve handling, performance, braking, ect., they suddenly forgot how to design a performance care to match these upgrades. The back is OK, but the front and wheels are a far cry from aesthetically pleasing. I can live without the characteristic rumble, and am fine with the 2.0 engine...but you will never see one of these is my garage because it is a giant step backwards in exterior design.
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:26 AM   #83
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I liked the review and I'm excited to check one of these out in person.


I always get a laugh out of it every time Subaru updates the WRX how so many fans go bananas about how they have "ruined" it. lol Seriously... It's a value priced car not the mona lisa. The boxer rumble was unique and cool for it's quirkiness but come on... So what that it's gone. And those who are up in arms about the 0-60 times... Really? 0-60 time is a very marginal predictor to overall performance as most people know. Honestly if value priced 0-60 time is anyone's personal ultimate bench mark indicator for awesomeness, then they shouldn't be looking at a Subaru anyway as there are plenty of better options.
The car is simply NOT going to be all things to all people and be value priced...


I'm confident that the STi will be plenty differentiated for the money. At least for those who know there is far more to the picture then peak HP (or even 0-60 times).
Although again if anyone is ignorant enough to base there decision almost entirely on mere peak HP/torque numbers then I'm confident they will again be disappointed. Those people really shouldn't be looking at Subarus anyway.
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #84
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I realize. So your saying you love the styling and loss of the markie sound that makes a wrx and sti sound like a beefed up v6 not a rice banger? They made it work without prior with the UEL headers, why couldn't they have made it work now? Just not my cup of tea. Its dead to me. Trust me, I have already began looking elsewhere.
Yeah it's cool, and I realize the new car isn't gonna cut it for a lot of previous owners. There's just no way an oem UEL would make the jump to DI and a twin-scroll turbo. Cylinder 4 ringlands tend to have issues with UEL, and that's before 1600 psi DI fuel pumps. The rumble was good while it lasted, but I'm sure an aftermarket exhaust will give the car some sort of appeal. I hope.

Also, 5.2 seconds in track mode.


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Old 12-18-2013, 12:02 PM   #85
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Yeah it's cool, and I realize the new car isn't gonna cut it for a lot of previous owners. There's just no way an oem UEL would make the jump to DI and a twin-scroll turbo. Cylinder 4 ringlands tend to have issues with UEL, and that's before 1600 psi DI fuel pumps. The rumble was good while it lasted, but I'm sure an aftermarket exhaust will give the car some sort of appeal. I hope.

Also, 5.2 seconds in track mode.

2015 Subaru WRX 0-60 MPH Acceleration Test Video - 268 HP 2.0 Liter Boxer Engine - YouTube
I hear ya, 5.2 is nice. I just suspect that with an aftermarket exhaust and a 4 cylinder 2.0L its going to sound as farty as a riced out honda civic ( I hope it doesn't). I also hope Subaru makes a proper body kit add on for this car to make it look the part.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:32 PM   #86
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Since when did looks matter so much...? Since when did 0-60 matter so much? If it does go get an evo and don't come back to the Subaru camp hahaha kk. But seriously underneath the supposedly meh exterior (I personally like it btw.. Semi-sleeper look) the improved handling and improved performance foundation is there for the taking. I bet this one once modded will be a force to be reckoned with. Even in stock form it seems formidable enough. Unfortunately I already have an '11.. Just paid it off so I won't be getting a new car anytime soon. But had I held off getting a car until now I wouldve definitely given this bad boy a try. Looks menacing in black. Idk just my .02 @,@ oh wells
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Old 12-18-2013, 01:43 PM   #87
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Well I liked this new WRX.. Everything that 08-14 owners used to optimize on their cars (better suspension/brakes, gauges, better looking interior etc), Subaru threw it as OEM for the new model

Despite the newest WRX model seems to be a great car, it have lost the Subaru essence (actually it began to lose since 2008).. I really would like to test drive it, I am not sure if I am gonna buy... But yeah, it is not beautiful at all :|
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:45 PM   #88
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Well, looks like I'll have to either wait for the STI or look for an older wrx/STI. ESPECIALLY since the boxer rumble is gone.
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:52 PM   #89
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I have it on good authority that the STi will not be a major styling change from the WRX... Essentially the WRX + big scoop and wing that we've seen before.

The styling is an incredibly important aspect, I would have never gotten into subaru if I wasn't so taken with the styling of the bugeye STi when I was younger. I'm personally not happy to give that up for a couple tenths in the 0-60 (Which is largely unchanged from the 02 models).

The visual character has been watered down with every generation, and that takes away from the appeal of the car. Most of us are enthusiasts who would gladly sacrifice a little performance for a little more fun and character, not racers and engineers playing the numbers game.
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Old 12-18-2013, 04:11 PM   #90
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The styling is an incredibly important aspect, I would have never gotten into subaru if I wasn't so taken with the styling of the bugeye STi when I was younger. I'm personally not happy to give that up for a couple tenths in the 0-60 (Which is largely unchanged from the 02 models).

The visual character has been watered down with every generation, and that takes away from the appeal of the car. Most of us are enthusiasts who would gladly sacrifice a little performance for a little more fun and character, not racers and engineers playing the numbers game.
Since 2008 global crisis GM sold their part of FHI to Toyota so this is where we got our 08+ from. Softer suspension, inferior brakes, an inferior car overall when compared to the previous generation. Due to the crisis, Subaru cars started to be produced under the lean production concept and that might also explains why there is so much difference between the 07 and 08 generation (both performance- and styling wise). They wanted to raise sales and the hatchback version of WRX apparently has achieved it successfully

Even though the handling appears to be great, benchmarked with Porsche etc etc, I might not buy this new WRX as Subaru lost its essence
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:07 PM   #91
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And I still don't get why they're hatchbackers whining on every single piece of media, blog, forum, and conversation about the new WRX not having a 5-door. I didn't say anybody wanted hatch only; I said if a car company creates a single body style that I don't want, I would move on if I needed a new car.

Here's a prediction. Subaru put all the money into this sedan for a car that is only 4% of their portfolio. Current owners complain about it's hatchless and call it "ugly" and leave. The car still sells with new owners, maybe old Scion TC fans who always wanted a factory turbo and AWD setup. Maybe with people who wanted WRXs but wanted a plainer exterior. The new car opens up a new audience. Then, in a few years when the car is getting old, they start to release more radical, sportier designs... And oh look, there's money in the portfolio to create a focused hatch version!

Same thing happened last generation with the hatch/sedan STI. I doubt Subaru will have any issue getting funds with a car that handles like this:

http://instagram.com/p/iC0AbYQXig/

Your precious hatch will come at some point, just not in 2015.
Dude... you weren't around when the STi went hatch only in 08... you think this is bad?

You guys consistently downplay the piece of the pie that the WRX is in Subaru's overall portfolio, obviously that has changed over the years, but what you guys keep forgetting is that of that 4%... 50% were sold as a hatch. So it's speculation as to how many people they will lose in the end, but it's safe to say you're now looking at it being <4%. At any rate I hope you're right and we will see it again. My '09 still has a ton of life left in it...hopefully at least another good 3 years or more.

On another note; has anyone one else noticed that in the video the boost gauge is hitting ~19 peaking at 20psi, yet the official spec for the turbo is 15.9 psi? Either something is wrong with the gauge or they aren't showing it in it's production tune. I thought Ferrari only did ringer press cars!

I don't know about the new engine but 4 psi of boost will transform an EJ255 completely. If you've ever driven a stock WRX and then one with a "Stage 1" 18psi tune, you will know the difference immediately and never want to go back.

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Old 12-19-2013, 01:22 AM   #92
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Best change so far, 5x114 lug pattern!!!!!! Finally after 25 years!!! 5x100 RIP.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:33 AM   #93
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One thing I think the people complaining about the lack of a hatchback are forgetting is that the new wrx is pretty much a 2013 impreza with flared fenders. Well, have you guys seen the 2013 impreza hatch? It's HIDEOUS.

Subaru has never been known for pretty cars, but I think it's one of the worst. Imagine if they showed everyone that concept and then came out with this thing? They'd have to change almost the entire car to make it palatable, and I think that would have been too expensive for them.

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Old 12-19-2013, 07:34 AM   #94
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:19 AM   #95
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Yeah that thing. With even more hp than our 2015 WRX (emissions, fuel?). There's your new WRX hatch. They'll test it in the UK market, throw in the 6-speed on the 296-hp engine and bring it over here.
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:45 AM   #96
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I have it on good authority that the STi will not be a major styling change from the WRX... Essentially the WRX + big scoop and wing that we've seen before.

The styling is an incredibly important aspect, I would have never gotten into subaru if I wasn't so taken with the styling of the bugeye STi when I was younger. I'm personally not happy to give that up for a couple tenths in the 0-60 (Which is largely unchanged from the 02 models).

The visual character has been watered down with every generation, and that takes away from the appeal of the car. Most of us are enthusiasts who would gladly sacrifice a little performance for a little more fun and character, not racers and engineers playing the numbers game.
The suggestion that "performance" is not significantly differentiated from the bugeye to the 2015 because the 0-60 time isn't significantly different.... is like suggesting performance is not significantly different between any high school football running back and a current NFL pro-bowler because they may have the similar 40 yard times..
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:52 PM   #97
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eh, that's more of a stationwagon than a hatch, and looks pretty big and heavy. More in line with the legacy than the impreza. They'd have to shorten it to make it look like a sporty hatch, and I'm not sure what it would look like then, or what it would mean for legroom etc. I still think the sedan makes more sense for what they were trying to achieve (not necessarily the goals i would have chosen, but what they seem to have been shooting for).
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Old 12-19-2013, 04:25 PM   #98
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So the 2008 model year was an absolute disaster as well. Maybe we will get lucky and they will do a quick refresh again!

Or better yet, maybe we will get even more luck on our side and the STI will be more of a radical separation from the WRX. The WRX should not be faster than its beefed up brother after all.
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Old 12-19-2013, 04:28 PM   #99
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i'd rather have the sound than the little bit of gain in performance
Aftermarket will have you covered. If they made them for the BRZ (which I love btw) then I would be shocked if they didn't make them for the WRX.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:18 PM   #100
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Doesn't the 2015 WRX remind anyone else of the Infiniti Q50 sedan? (The front end)
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