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Old 12-25-2013, 08:08 PM   #76
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I priced a Macan S with what I thought I needed. Came out to $60k. Not bad considering the SQ5 is right around there also.

I am just doubtful that this beast can replace my WRX wagon. I'm sure the interior is miles ahead but this thing is HEAVY and there is no getting around that. Still holding hope a WRX hatch will magically appear in 2015 as an '16 model.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:35 PM   #77
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I priced a Macan S with what I thought I needed. Came out to $60k. Not bad considering the SQ5 is right around there also.

I am just doubtful that this beast can replace my WRX wagon. I'm sure the interior is miles ahead but this thing is HEAVY and there is no getting around that. Still holding hope a WRX hatch will magically appear in 2015 as an '16 model.
But isn't it? $60k for a small CUV that's not even fully loaded. The per car profit for Porsche is about 4~5 times larger than BMW or Audi, and I think that becomes especially ridiculous when we are talking about Porsches based on VW/Audi.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:40 PM   #78
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:42 PM   #79
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But isn't it? $60k for a small CUV that's not even fully loaded. The per car profit for Porsche is about 4~5 times larger than BMW or Audi, and I think that becomes especially ridiculous when we are talking about Porsches based on VW/Audi.
I have never liked that getting German cars fully loaded always costs TENS of thousands more than the "base" model (even if that base model is an upper level trim!). Charging so much for something based off a common platform (just like the Cayenne...) rubs me the wrong way, but it's a proven business practice and the stats show that.

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Old 12-26-2013, 03:13 PM   #80
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I have never liked that getting German cars fully loaded always costs TENS of thousands more than the "base" model (even if that base model is an upper level trim!). Charging so much for something based off a common platform (just like the Cayenne...) rubs me the wrong way, but it's a proven business practice and the stats show that.
I don't doubt that as a business Porsche is wildly successful. Also, being a peasant that's never owned a Porsche, at the end I can't really say if they are not worth the money, at least for those with high enough income. But I remain skeptical about a lot of the hype surrounding Porsches.

For instance, I don't know if I really buy that Porsches are that much more reliable than other German cars, which I hear often in the interwebbs. The sample size seems so small, and Porsche owners also seem so infatuated with their cars that I have to wonder if they are applying the same standard that they might apply to Toyotas. It also bothers me that there seems to be no independent crash test of any Porsche sports car models, pretty much ever. I know they claim they have very rigorous in-house tests and all that, but obviously nobody would buy that BS if it was coming from KIA. I have to think that if they knew they would do very well in third party tests they would not hesitate to spend the money to get it done as a part of marketing. Yes, the volume is very small, but the profit is also enormous per car. Overall it just seems so hype-y to me.
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:27 PM   #81
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But isn't it? $60k for a small CUV that's not even fully loaded. The per car profit for Porsche is about 4~5 times larger than BMW or Audi, and I think that becomes especially ridiculous when we are talking about Porsches based on VW/Audi.
But what do you consider "fully loaded". I optioned out everything I wanted. Things like headroom-robbing sunroof and navigation that I will not use are lost on me and I am actually thankful Porsche does not bundle them into one big package. So cheaper than an SQ5 and getting what I want instead of paying for what I don't? What's to complain about?

I think before you rag on the Macan S, option out an X3 or Audi. The pricing is not bad at all and actually better if you are like me. And yes, Porsche's are definitely had well below MSRP just like Bimmers and Audi's.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:33 PM   #82
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But what do you consider "fully loaded". I optioned out everything I wanted. Things like headroom-robbing sunroof and navigation that I will not use are lost on me and I am actually thankful Porsche does not bundle them into one big package. So cheaper than an SQ5 and getting what I want instead of paying for what I don't? What's to complain about?

I think before you rag on the Macan S, option out an X3 or Audi. The pricing is not bad at all and actually better if you are like me. And yes, Porsche's are definitely had well below MSRP just like Bimmers and Audi's.
I think I priced out a Turbo for about $85, simply because if you're in the market for a high end car, there's no reason to go low end. BTW, the price difference between an S and a Turbo isn't much different from a WRX and an STI, relatively speaking...and the price for the sunroof isn't much different than for much cheaper cars.

I think they're really cool, but maybe I've become so old and boring that they're just to ostentatious and owning a new Porsche brings along it's own set of difficulties (security and negative image) that just aren't worth dealing with.

As far as it's obscene weight goes, as long as it carries it well, which I have no doubt that it does...the 400hp probably more than makes up for it.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:54 PM   #83
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:35 AM   #84
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:17 PM   #85
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:01 PM   #86
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:19 PM   #87
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:00 PM   #88
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They have a winner. A true mans SUV crossover
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Porsche always sets the standards. If I had the money I would get the diesel

Many complain they are expensive, of course it's a Porsche
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Old 03-02-2014, 02:18 PM   #92
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I like the car, and if I had the financial means, I would definitey consider it. People forget what you also get when paying a premium for Porsche, The service. If ****s breaks, it's a no questions asked repair. None of this, "were you racing the vehicle or driving it hard?" Not only are you paying for a higher quality vehicle (toureg v. Cayman), but Porsche is marketing to those who have money and are willing to pay for a status car. Those people who argue "it's not much better than the tiguan or toureg" are not their target demographics, nor can you probably afford one if this is debate.


I think this car will sell well. I see for see a lot of house wives switching from their rover to this vehicle.
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I like the car, and if I had the financial means, I would definitey consider it. People forget what you also get when paying a premium for Porsche, The service. If ****s breaks, it's a no questions asked repair. None of this, "were you racing the vehicle or driving it hard?"
I don't know about that. Is Porsche better now than they were a few years ago? Has Porsche learned their lesson from the IMS and RMS failures on the Boxster? That was a huge clusterf**k and Porsche took a long time to step up and admit that the design was flawed.
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I don't know about that. Is Porsche better now than they were a few years ago? Has Porsche learned their lesson from the IMS and RMS failures on the Boxster? That was a huge clusterf**k and Porsche took a long time to step up and admit that the design was flawed.
Valid, and I believe they have done so. My opinion just comes from family, friends that have owned a Porsche and a few friends that are techs with porsche. It could be the dealerships here that bend over backwards for their customers or a general view put forth by porsche, but all the things I hear in terms of service and repairs, is that it is literally not questions asked and they fix the problem.

Relating back to the Macan. I think this vehicle will sell well. I believe bringing into question the value of this vehicle over a tiguan or or audi equivalent is not valid. The people who can truly afford this vehicle, and when I say afford, I don't mean simply being able to meet the minimum payment but those who's income support this purchase are not cross shopping Porsche to VW or Audi.

People who want and can afford a Porsche, whether its for performance or brand recognition will buy this vehicle. Those of us who are comparing if the cost is worth the value over a cheaper vehicle, are not their target customers.
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I think this car will sell well. I see for see a lot of house wives switching from their rover to this vehicle.
One of the vids said something about a one-year waiting list.

The Cayenne was a hit and this will be one too, for exactly the same reasons. Nobody offers anything with the same features and capabilities.
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