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Old 01-04-2014, 04:27 PM   #1
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OMGHi2U what just happened?

2012 WRX, standard 5 speed transmission, no modifications.

I was taking off spiritedly from a stop light (not launching or anything) a few minutes ago. At first everything was normal. I shifted into second and was slipping the clutch a bit (not really intentional, more related to the lack of consistent clutch feel in the car), then shifted into third and slipped the clutch a bit again (for same reason) and then needed to clutch in as I was needing to prepare to slow down as I was coming up to a stop light. As I was slowing down the light turned green so I was going to down shift into second to continue on…and I could NOT get the car in gear. The engine was running but just wouldn't go into gear!

I stopped in a turn lane and sat there, with the engine running and tried to get it into any gear but it wouldn't budge…I was pushing as hard as I could but no go. I kept pushing the clutch pedal in and out (the clutch pedal felt completely normal - no change) but it made no difference.

So I shut the car off, pushed the clutch pedal in and I could put it directly into the gate with no resistance. I then, with the clutch pedal pushed in, tried to restart the car and it grabbed and lurched forward like trying to start a car in gear with the clutch pedal out (like old cars…I don't think you can do that on newer cars) and did not start. I turned the car off again, and then tried to restart again and this time it started normally and shifts normally again (or at least I think so - I am hyper sensitive to it at this point).

Any idea what could have happened? Kinda freaked out at this point…

Thanks in advance for the input.
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Old 01-04-2014, 04:40 PM   #2
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Check for possible leaks, then check the clutch fork since it is a stamped steel... They break. Check fluid level.

Do that then update us. If you aren't able to do that, then save up money to pay someone to look it over for you.
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:16 PM   #3
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Fluid levels normal. Nothing appears abnormal. It's like it was stuck in gear but still can't figure out why I couldn't get it in any gear then after the lurching restart attempt (which I would think wouldn't be possible these days) it works.

I guess I'd add that I certainly am not looking for or expecting a diagnosis but more trying to figure out what mechanically and/or electronically was happening during this whole episode.

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Old 01-04-2014, 08:40 PM   #4
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maybe overheated the clutch??
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:37 PM   #5
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maybe overheated the clutch??
Absolutely possible that I overheated the clutch in that situation! Do you think the symptoms/issues I had after could really be caused by the clutch overheating?
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:47 PM   #6
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dunno for sure...but its possible that ya just freakin the **** out over nothing, too
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:50 PM   #7
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I wouldnt pin it on the clutch disc, the stock organic material is not something that would weld it self to the flywheel

And you would smell it long before you trashed it
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:11 PM   #8
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I wouldnt pin it on the clutch disc, the stock organic material is not something that would weld it self to the flywheel And you would smell it long before you trashed it
It was smelly...not a ton, but clutch material smell.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:24 PM   #9
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Normal clutch pedal feel would seem as though pressure plate was moving freely but clutch disc was still attached to flywheel somehow.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:38 PM   #10
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so then ya pulled the battery cable
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:41 PM   #11
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so then ya pulled the battery cable
Only because someone suggested to me that perhaps something in the ecu played a part. I couldn't see how but figured it wouldn't hurt. The battery cable disconnect happened after I got home and like I've said, the car drives normal since.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:45 PM   #12
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Normal clutch pedal feel would seem as though pressure plate was moving freely but clutch disc was still attached to flywheel somehow.
So you think when I tried to restart and I had the "lurch" the clutch disk and the flywheel separated? Can't imagine how/why they would be attached but the engine didn't stall...
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:44 AM   #13
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I've only ever heard of sintered iron clutch discs welding themselves to flywheels

if you smelt "burnt clutch", that means you have an organic disc (supposedly stock by your description)

you done goofed good, sir

just replace the whole drivetrain
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I've only ever heard of sintered iron clutch discs welding themselves to flywheels

if you smelt "burnt clutch", that means you have an organic disc (supposedly stock by your description)

you done goofed good, sir

just replace the whole drivetrain
my clutch in my 06 got wet and got stuck once....there IS metal in the friction material
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The friction plate is probably sticking on the trans shaft. Not able to shift into gear with motor running but OK with motor off is a clutch issue. The clutch is not releasing properly. I had this happen to me. Replaced clutch and flywheel and all is OK now. I would also check that the clutch fork moves properly when pushing in the clutch pedal.
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The friction plate is probably sticking on the trans shaft. Not able to shift into gear with motor running but OK with motor off is a clutch issue. The clutch is not releasing properly. I had this happen to me. Replaced clutch and flywheel and all is OK now. I would also check that the clutch fork moves properly when pushing in the clutch pedal.
Was your situation like mine where it just happened once then released or was yours stuck until you replaced the clutch and flywheel?
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Was your situation like mine where it just happened once then released or was yours stuck until you replaced the clutch and flywheel?
Exactly the same situation you described in the first post.
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Exactly the same situation you described in the first post.
So did you take it in and get those items replaced? Did you just do it yourself?

I am debating taking it in as I'm under warranty but if the issue can't be replicated I'm not sure they'd do anything.
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my clutch in my 06 got wet and got stuck once....there IS metal in the friction material
huh, interesting

I learn something new every day, thanks!
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my clutch in my 06 got wet and got stuck once....there IS metal in the friction material
huh, interesting

I learn something new every day, thanks!

edit: including how to accidentally double post..
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So did you take it in and get those items replaced? Did you just do it yourself?

I am debating taking it in as I'm under warranty but if the issue can't be replicated I'm not sure they'd do anything.
Mine started out happening every once in a while, once every two to three weeks, then it became more frequent and harder to get into gear by starting in first to pop it loose. I replaced the clutch myself, 86k miles on the car.
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:34 PM   #22
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Mine started out happening every once in a while, once every two to three weeks, then it became more frequent and harder to get into gear by starting in first to pop it loose. I replaced the clutch myself, 86k miles on the car.
Got it. So far today it's driving normal.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:46 AM   #23
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Still hasn't done it again. I have an appointment with my Subaru dealer to get in on file in case I have issues down the road. Also called SOA and got a file opened so it's on record with them as well.
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Looking forward to finding out what happened. Definitely sounds like the clutch wasn't releasing.
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Old 01-14-2014, 11:01 PM   #25
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As expected (since I haven't had the problem again) I took it to the dealer and they found nothing and could not reproduce the problem. The service guy said he had the foreman look at it as well and the foreman said, though rare, he has heard of/seen a syncro get stuck…then get unstuck and he wondered if that is what happened to mine.
My main goal was to get the issue on record at this point, so I guess that is that.
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