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Old 01-07-2014, 05:30 PM   #8051
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Yes, very sad that WRX will lose in drag races now since that's all it was good for anyways seeing as how it handled like complete crap before.
With a set of sways it's far from handling like "complete crap". It's not an EVO or BRZ, but I'm very happy with how my stock '14 WRX handles compared to my 01 RS with 20mm rsb, endlinks, struts, springs, steering rack bushings, and star specs. It still feels more "solid" to me. I'm sure the chassis is much stiffer, however. So that probably helps a lot.
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:33 PM   #8052
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Holy cow this thread has gone downhill.
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:37 PM   #8053
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Holy cow this thread has gone downhill.
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Old 01-07-2014, 06:10 PM   #8054
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With a set of sways it's far from handling like "complete crap". It's not an EVO or BRZ, but I'm very happy with how my stock '14 WRX handles compared to my 01 RS with 20mm rsb, endlinks, struts, springs, steering rack bushings, and star specs. It still feels more "solid" to me. I'm sure the chassis is much stiffer, however. So that probably helps a lot.
Apparently you're numb, because I've owned a 2001 Impreza RS Coupe, 2005 STI, 2008 Forester XT, 2011 WRX, and now a 2013 BRZ, and I can say with confidence that for what the WRX is, a performance AWD sedan, it UNDER performs in the handling department.

Obviously Subaru knows this, otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to sacrifice a hatchback variant to help the WRX handle that much better.

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Old 01-07-2014, 06:13 PM   #8055
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That is true once you reach the center of the earth, there is only one way to go.
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Old 01-07-2014, 07:24 PM   #8056
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I'm curious to see what the tuners will be able to squeeze out of the new WRX. Any guesses?
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Old 01-07-2014, 07:36 PM   #8057
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I'm curious to see what the tuners will be able to squeeze out of the new WRX. Any guesses?
What's the time frame? Like, is there a limit to how long the tune needs to last? You can get a lot out of the current EJ motor, but it varies on so many things as to how long it'll last.
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Old 01-07-2014, 07:37 PM   #8058
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Stage 1 300hp

Stage 2 with supporting exhaust 340hp


Completely uneducated guess
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:03 PM   #8059
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Yes, very sad that WRX will lose in drag races now since that's all it was good for anyways seeing as how it handled like complete crap before.
Different strokes for different folks. I can appreciate the improved suspension. I just prefer drag racing and this is a good platform for it.

You're telling me that you don't find it disappointing how they gave it a six speed, they gave it equal length manifolds, they gave it a twinscroll turbo, they gave it a 2.0L that makes more power and torque sooner than the 2.5L, but it's not much faster if at all, than a td04 wrx? That doesn't bother you even a little?

The only other gripe i have is the direct injection... that just kills it for me
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:22 PM   #8060
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No, barely a half-second slower doesn't phase me one bit because you won't notice a difference. And when have these cars ever been considered good platforms for drag racing? And direct-injection is a good thing. You're talking to a guy that went from an STI to a Forester XT to a WRX to a BRZ. I obviously couldn't care less about 0-60 times. I do, however, enjoy 5-45 very much since that's a usable metric on the streets.

If you're looking for a dedicated performance car, the STI is that car, not the WRX. It's like a scale that tips one way or the other as you consider what you're truly looking for in a car. If you race more than you daily drive: STI. If you daily drive more than you race: WRX. I can't help it if people are doing it wrong. Having owned so many, I can see now what one is for over the other. The WRX has more usable power for daily driving. STI has longevity for racing. You will not notice a half-second slower 0-60.

Subaru has done a good job of making these cars better than they appear on paper and making them committed to doing a particular job VERY well. If you want a faster 0-60 car, they're out there, even in AWD form.
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:28 PM   #8061
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The only other gripe i have is the direct injection... that just kills it for me
Yeah, Long Live 4bbl Carburetors!
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:39 PM   #8062
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:50 PM   #8063
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True purists hand start their engines and remove their power steering.
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:05 PM   #8064
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Yeah, Long Live 4bbl Carburetors!
whoa whoa whoa..

Lets not start insulting carburetors…no need to get ugly.
Some things are above insults.

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Old 01-07-2014, 09:16 PM   #8065
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whoa whoa whoa..

Lets not start insulting carburetors…no need to get ugly.
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At least Porsche can make frameless windows that don't ****ing freeze.

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Old 01-07-2014, 09:22 PM   #8066
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:32 PM   #8067
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I've been advocating the return of this for YEARS, son!
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:45 PM   #8068
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No, barely a half-second slower doesn't phase me one bit because you won't notice a difference. And when have these cars ever been considered good platforms for drag racing? And direct-injection is a good thing. You're talking to a guy that went from an STI to a Forester XT to a WRX to a BRZ. I obviously couldn't care less about 0-60 times. I do, however, enjoy 5-45 very much since that's a usable metric on the streets.

If you're looking for a dedicated performance car, the STI is that car, not the WRX. It's like a scale that tips one way or the other as you consider what you're truly looking for in a car. If you race more than you daily drive: STI. If you daily drive more than you race: WRX. I can't help it if people are doing it wrong. Having owned so many, I can see now what one is for over the other. The WRX has more usable power for daily driving. STI has longevity for racing. You will not notice a half-second slower 0-60.

Subaru has done a good job of making these cars better than they appear on paper and making them committed to doing a particular job VERY well. If you want a faster 0-60 car, they're out there, even in AWD form.
Like i said, different strokes for different folks. And half a second actually makes quite the difference.

Direct injection is not a good thing for modding... no injectors means no upgrades, which means that you will be limited to what the stock fuel system can support. Which usually isn't much. The lnf ecotec and mazda di engines have already proved that. Di doesn't play nice with E85 either.

We obviously have different views, only difference is that I'm not a prick about it. Pull the stick out of your ass and realize that not everyone is going to share your opinion.

And yes, the wrx is a good platform for drag racing. It's light, has traction and makes great tq.

I've found that it works great on a drag strip...
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:51 PM   #8069
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I'm only a prick because you think that half a second makes a difference on a stock WRX. I'm talking about a STOCK WRX. You obviously are not, or at least seem to think that a modded WRX and a stock WRX are... the same? If you're talking about racing the WRX, you're not keeping it stock, therefore stock 0-60 times are pointless to discuss. Also, your BoostHardheadness is making it hard for you to realize that just because you CAN doesn't mean you should. The WRX is only getting heavier, so have fun shedding even MORE weight from the new WRX when you could just go get a used 2004 STI and come out ahead (since you opened up the "mod" gate).

But go on. I'll continue listening. I'll be here pulling splinters from my ass.

I tuned my 2011 WRX and it was a hoot. I know this. Dragging it would have been AWESOME, yes. However, I think there are cars better suited than the WRX for such things. For the effort, I'd rather go the full gambit. However, I'm an all or nothing kinda guy.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:03 PM   #8070
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DI = no injectors? Interesting....
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:08 PM   #8071
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DI = no injectors? Interesting....
He probably means no port injectors. FA20 has both, but FA20DIT only has DI, no PI. PI helps, but as has been discussed Subaru seems confident in their fixing DI issues... OR Subaru is purposely implementing these things to deter engine tuning/modding, which is good for them to do with these crowds.

BoostHard is probably new, though, since he can't tell that I don't have a life and just love messing around with people.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:15 PM   #8072
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Well he goes on to say DI is fundamentally limited to stock fuel system so I'm going to go with he doesn't know what the **** he's talking about.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:42 PM   #8073
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Not new, i just read more than i post.

I know what we ran into with the ecotecs and i know what my mazda friends have run into with their di motors. You hit the ceiling and there's no going higher. Run E85 and blow up your motor...

I like my ethanol. I also like knowing that i can upgrade to bigger injectors when i start running out of fuel. DI has already proved to be not so tuner friendly in other platforms, i doubt it will change for this one.

I'll stick with the ej and most likely swap a v8-9 207 in when my 255 finally lets go if i don't just build it.
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Old 01-08-2014, 12:17 AM   #8074
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Apparently you're numb, because I've owned a 2001 Impreza RS Coupe, 2005 STI, 2008 Forester XT, 2011 WRX, and now a 2013 BRZ, and I can say with confidence that for what the WRX is, a performance AWD sedan, it UNDER performs in the handling department.

Obviously Subaru knows this, otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to sacrifice a hatchback variant to help the WRX handle that much better.

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Amazingly true.
And I am coming from a 13 BRZ Limited to a 14 WRX and the BRZ also UNDERPERFORMS in the power department. Stock dyno is about 155whp and 135ft lbs torque. If it is hot out, it will be a lot less, and the if the temperatures are optimal it is a little more. It has been well documented that the stock ECU in the BRZ/FR-S is very sensitive to heat and that 155hp is more like 120whp in the summer if you are lucky and same with torque. The car is screaming for more horsepower and especially more torque. The only way to pass someone with any type of authority on the freeway is to downshift and try to work around the famous torque dip. Lucky for the BRZ it handles so well and is a drivers car that most owners are willing to overlook the power issue. But power is a glaring issue, and well documented for the FT86. And adding power is a big expense as bolt ons add little power so forced induction is pretty much the only way to go to make good power with this car (to anything that can touch a WRX, Ford Focus, Speed3, etc). And that gets really expensive with the FA20 as you also have to address heat.

No car is perfect. The stock WRX definitely leaves some to be desired from a handling perspective, I don't disagree with you there. Subaru could have done a much better job just with a larger sway bar in the rear and a better alignment. But just like adding more power to the BRZ, you can improve the handling retty easily in the WRX. Sway bars, an alignment, and better tires are easy upgrades that make a big difference in the handling. The current gen WRX will never handle like a BRZ, few cars do. But minimal cost the rear sway and an alignment offer nice gains and make the car much more competent in the handling department. The 2015 sounds like they really have focused on making the WRX handle much better, and IMHO, that is a very good thing. Especially since it already makes good power.
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