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Old 01-07-2014, 05:15 PM   #26
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Well I am glad I read this post before I started messing around. New to AWD. did not know it was a bad thing in this type of drivetrain. Good to know!
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:44 PM   #27
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Same as above, I have an automatic impreza wagon and i love drifting in my civic that i now crashed. I was constantly using the E-brake a lot.

But now I know not to use it to...... drift or powerslide w/e.
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:27 PM   #28
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Like I said, with an auto you could set it up to disconnect the AWD whenever the E-brake lever is up..
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:38 AM   #29
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Federal DOT specs would disagree with you. It is absolutely an E-brake, there are better ways to design a parking brake if it doesn't have to serve a dual purpose. (locking pawl design, not friction...)

(federal standards say that unless you have a completely redundant system, including 2 master cylinders, you need a secondary independent brake system that can stop the car.)

Anyway though, EMERGENCY brake... As in the ex-wife cut the brake lines and you need to use it to avoid driving off the cliff in front of you. Drifting doesn't count as an emergency!
All the reason to upgrade to ss lines. Unless your ex wife has a sawzall lol.
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Old 01-08-2014, 12:08 PM   #30
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Doing this with a 5MT car is always bad. Doing it in a 6MT car is fine as it decouples the center diff, but I still wouldn't do it. Also fine to do it in an autox based on how the auto transfers power front to rear, still wouldn't do it though.

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Old 01-08-2014, 01:17 PM   #31
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Doing this with a 5MT car is always bad. Doing it in a 6MT car is fine as it decouples the center diff, but I still wouldn't do it. Also fine to do it in an autox based on how the auto transfers power front to rear, still wouldn't do it though.

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You should refine that to 6MT with DCCD, as I think the non DCCD 6MT cars like the Legacy/etc still have a center diff that doesn't decouple.

I know for sure that you can pull it on at least the 04 and 05 STi w/o things exploding... not sure the diff characteristics on anything newer than that.

I personally have popped the circlip off my 5MT center diff twice with NO e-brake pulls. Not sure how it's come off each time, but on each rebuild I've had the clip has been off (One rebuild because front input shaft bearing failed, taking 2nd gear with it, second rebuild because rear output shaft bearing failed).

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Old 01-08-2014, 03:17 PM   #32
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I have a vtd 4EAT 60 rear 40 front i believe is the % split.
Does my center diff decouple when the ebrake is blipped? Never tried nor wanted to try it lol. Sometimes i can get my car sideways with the ass out just using throttle and steering since mines essentially rear wheel drive bias.
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:23 PM   #33
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The VTD diff is a planetary gearset, all mechanical. If you do not have VDC I'm not sure if you have the lockup clutch (VDC has VTD plus a multi-plate clutch, similar to the non-VDC MPT but it has fewer plates).

If you have the clutch it is possible the computer would see the excessive front-rear speed difference and lockup the clutch.

The Gen 2 outback VTD has 45/55 front/rear, not sure about other years/models.
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:30 PM   #34
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The VTD diff is a planetary gearset, all mechanical. If you do not have VDC I'm not sure if you have the lockup clutch (VDC has VTD plus a multi-plate clutch, similar to the non-VDC MPT but it has fewer plates).

If you have the clutch it is possible the computer would see the excessive front-rear speed difference and lockup the clutch.

The Gen 2 outback VTD has 45/55 front/rear, not sure about other years/models.
Mines 06 wrx. I to find a jdm triptonic and drop it in real bad!!!!
Dont know if mine can be converted.

Should have bought a lgt 5EAT if i wanted some luxury huh....

I think mines 55/45 now that you say that....

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Old 01-08-2014, 03:42 PM   #35
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Mines 06 wrx. I to find a jdm triptonic and drop it in real bad!!!!
Dont know if mine can be converted.

Should have bought a lgt 5EAT if i wanted some luxury huh....

I think mines 55/45 now that you say that....
What the **** is this ****?
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:00 AM   #36
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Obv don't do what OP did re e brake, park brake whatever, it's just too bad not knowing a small amount of fun had to damage his ride. However with the snow everyone is having I too find my self turning off my vdc daily when going thro snow and most of the time it will be spinning tires, sliding about and every now and then when safe I give it a bit of kick out with the rear end cause it's fun. Nothing major at all, but how will that affect that center diff with spins and such bc of the snow?
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:24 PM   #37
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What the **** is this ****?
Its called a forum post.
Your guru powers should have picked that up though......

Go back under your bridge now since your trollness is not needed here
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:33 PM   #38
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Its called a forum post.
Your guru powers should have picked that up though......

Go back under your bridge now since your trollness is not needed here
It's not even in engrish. Deciphering that garbage is near impossible.
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:58 PM   #39
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It's not even in engrish. Deciphering that garbage is near impossible.
I forgot the word "want" at the beginning of my post.
Keep walkin troll
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I forgot the word "want" at the beginning of my post.
Keep walkin troll
There's also no such thing as a subaru JDM "triptonic."

Keep trying n00btits.
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There's also no such thing as a subaru JDM "triptonic."

Keep trying n00btits.
Its a sport shift 4eat with paddle shifters and available in the JDM.

Sorry for the misprint again.....asshat
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Old 01-09-2014, 04:01 PM   #42
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What happens when you pull an "emergency brake" at highway speeds? You loose control, hence why no one teaches that it is anything aside from a parking brake.
Well, you don't @#$%ing yank on it. You press your service brakes, car doesn't stop because they've failed. You then grab the emergency brake and pull it enough to begin slowing the car but not enough to lock up the rear wheels... remember, your e-brake doesn't have ABS...

If you actually read the user's manual that comes with your very expensive, potentially-dangerous machine, one of the warnings you will see is:

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CAUTION: Pulling the parking brake lever too forcefully may cause the rear wheels to lock. To avoid this, be certain to pull the lever up slowly and gently.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:23 PM   #43
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Well, you don't @#$%ing yank on it. You press your service brakes, car doesn't stop because they've failed. You then grab the emergency brake and pull it enough to begin slowing the car but not enough to lock up the rear wheels... remember, your e-brake doesn't have ABS...

If you actually read the user's manual that comes with your very expensive, potentially-dangerous machine, one of the warnings you will see is:
You realize you made my point right. The manual says "Pulling the PARKING BRAKE LEVER."

Not an "e-brake."

Anyways, people aren't smart enough to read the manual. Or understand to shift an automatic car into a lower gear/neutral if the accelerator sticks on your Toyota. You honestly think they'll be smart enough to SLOWLY pull the PARKING BRAKE lever?

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OMG!!!!
E brake , hand brake, parking brake, lets lock up the rear brake, gymkhana power hour brake!!!!! Who the F really cares we all know what we are talking about here!!!!

It's like the " high capacity clip/magazine bit" (it's a magazine BTW)

And FTR , just call it the hand brake
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OMG!!!!
E brake , hand brake, parking brake, lets lock up the rear brake, gymkhana power hour brake!!!!! Who the F really cares we all know what we are talking about here!!!!

It's like the " high capacity clip/magazine bit" (it's a magazine BTW)

And FTR , just call it the hand brake
Yup. People say clips from the stripper clips and bolt action clips. Very different than a magazine. Same concept initially. Feed the firearm!
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Yup. People say clips from the stripper clips and bolt action clips. Very different than a magazine. Same concept initially. Feed the firearm!
Totally an off topic discussion but DAMN!!!! I can relate!
It's a FREAKING MAGAZINE !!!! Not a CLIP!!!!
So on topic, it's actually nothing like the clip/magazine difference , because there actually is a difference between a clip and and a magazine ! Where as there is no difference between an E brake and a hand brake or a parking brake ! its just different names for the same thing!!!!

Ok sorry
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:02 AM   #47
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Does the tesla model s have real emergency breaks? I dont know if those are charging mechanisms or secondary calipers i keep seeing on the road.
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:48 AM   #48
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next time just just turn VDC off and mash teh gas!
or for more fun, pull the ABS fuse or wire in a switch
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:32 PM   #49
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I had no idea the Pedants Society met here...
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Old 01-10-2014, 03:08 PM   #50
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I think everyone who drives a subaru becomes a pedant sooner or later. I didnt give a **** about maintenance or anything before i drove a subaru and found out if you blow a tire you likely blow $700 for a set of 4 new ones.....
Btw dont go by tread depth or youll "shoot ur eye out" when u find two alike tires differ in tread depth and are the same OD.......
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