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Old 12-16-2013, 11:36 AM   #1
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Default RE: "Off Road Driving" in the user manual...

What makes a Sport model so different that Subaru puts a disclaimer in the user manual that Sport models can off road but other models can't? See Page 8-6.

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Old 12-16-2013, 12:02 PM   #2
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They probably just put that in the sport model manuals because the people buying sport models are more likely to take there car off road and Subaru does not want to have a lawsuit.....?
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Old 12-16-2013, 12:23 PM   #3
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Other than the bigger wheel and the fake "manual" CVT mode. Nothing else is different. But that low profile tires aren't suitable for any off road.
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Old 12-17-2013, 08:58 AM   #4
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i think the sport model is 0.5" taller ground clearance than the regular
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:55 AM   #5
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Taller, and mine is a 5 speed, so no CVT issues.

I have actually driven mine up everest, but the sherpa's got upset, so I stopped doing that.

(disclaimer - I drive on the road only, pretty much, though my sport is everest ready, if I can acquire the necessary permits, and have a sherpa copilot. Not sure about the Hillary Step though, might need a winch).
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:33 AM   #6
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I would guess the reasons for the disclaimer are 85% lawsuit-prevention, 10% marketing the more expensive car, 5% because of actual differences in the cars. Im not sure what scenario a sport could handle that a base model couldn't. 1/2" more ground clearance doesn't exactly mean youre climbing a boulder.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:36 PM   #7
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I wonder it's like the xv at all, frame wise. I recall they beefed up some places to better handle off road stresses. Need to Google that...

Edit: lol at zeeper
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:54 AM   #8
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In previous discussions it was thought that the Sport suspension was slightly different because the clearance is 0.2 inches higher iirc
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:13 PM   #9
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In previous discussions it was thought that the Sport suspension was slightly different because the clearance is 0.2 inches higher iirc
Nope. Difference in height is due to Sport wheels
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Old 12-21-2013, 12:02 PM   #10
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I would guess the reasons for the disclaimer are 85% lawsuit-prevention, 10% marketing the more expensive car, 5% because of actual differences in the cars. Im not sure what scenario a sport could handle that a base model couldn't. 1/2" more ground clearance doesn't exactly mean youre climbing a boulder.
0% marketing, the only place you see the off-road info is in the owners manual, the XV is marketed as off-road worthy.
0% reason for lawsuit prevention, if they wanted that, they would have made the disclaimer for all Impreza's including sports.

So it must be 100% extra ground clearance, not that it is much, or they wanted Sport buyers to be able to go where the road ends, to rationalize all the extra dollars spent getting the best package they sell.

I bought a Sport mainly for the two-tone (no longer available), fog lights, and I liked the design of the alloy wheels best - some of these options were only available in the Sport, and the pricing was slightly discounted over adding the available options to a Premium - (I don't use the roof rails, but they also add potential resale value).

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Old 12-21-2013, 12:47 PM   #11
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Does SOA have a useful email address? I haven't found one yet.
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:22 PM   #12
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I used the "email us" button on this site:
http://www.subaru.com/customer-support.html

We'll see...
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:47 AM   #13
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Ground clearance is probably negligible with the sport's side skirts.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:24 AM   #14
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Haters gonna hate, did I mention my trip to everest?
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Old 12-24-2013, 06:16 PM   #15
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0% marketing, the only place you see the off-road info is in the owners manual, the XV is marketed as off-road worthy.
0% reason for lawsuit prevention, if they wanted that, they would have made the disclaimer for all Impreza's including sports.

So it must be 100% extra ground clearance, not that it is much, or they wanted Sport buyers to be able to go where the road ends, to rationalize all the extra dollars spent getting the best package they sell.

I bought a Sport mainly for the two-tone (no longer available), fog lights, and I liked the design of the alloy wheels best - some of these options were only available in the Sport, and the pricing was slightly discounted over adding the available options to a Premium - (I don't use the roof rails, but they also add potential resale value).
Exactly why I bought the Sport, but mine in Black/Grey. The wheels are pretty cool looking too. Kinda blows me away that I see about 3" of lead inside my wheels for balance.
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Old 12-24-2013, 06:30 PM   #16
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Exactly why I bought the Sport, but mine in Black/Grey. The wheels are pretty cool looking too. Kinda blows me away that I see about 3" of lead inside my wheels for balance.
Lead probably due to crappy tires, I bet better tires balance easier
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:00 PM   #17
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Exactly why I bought the Sport, but mine in Black/Grey. The wheels are pretty cool looking too. Kinda blows me away that I see about 3" of lead inside my wheels for balance.
+1 love my sport limited and the two tone blue/silver. Awesome car for the money. Unfortunately I now have a bit of curb rash on my right front and can't find the right paint... so off topic sorry.

And I DO use the roof rails. Family trips with a cargo box and mountain bike or triathlon events require a roof rack.
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:52 PM   #18
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What I asked:

"In section 8-6 of the owners manual it states sport models are off road capable while non-Sport models are not. Can you elaborate on how a Sport model is different from a standard model?
I have a 2012 Sport Limited by the way and love it!
Thanks,

Found the manual on TechInfo here:
http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/69520/pdf/ownerManual/069520_2012_Impreza/MSA5M1213Ball_17.pdf"

Their response:

"Thank you for contacting Subaru of America, inc.

We are excited to learn that you are enjoying your Impreza Sport! This model vehicle replaces our Outback sport model. It's a matter of badging. You can refer to page 7-18 and 7-19 regarding the CVT in your vehicle. On page 7-22, there are instructions on how to use the different gears in the manual mode.

I am so glad to hear that you are reading your Owner's Manual! There is a lot of useful and helpful information in this book. If you have any other questions, please let me know."

So basically it's marketing and flappy paddles.
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Old 01-20-2014, 02:13 PM   #19
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I took her off road this weekend. A buddy invited us to a farm to shoot some clay and the ground was damp from recent rain. Most were in trucks and someone asked "are you sure you want to drive that down there? " to which I said "if the guy in the Charger can make it so can I". Trucks got stuck but I didn't
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Old 01-21-2014, 08:45 PM   #20
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Quote:
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What I asked:

"In section 8-6 of the owners manual it states sport models are off road capable while non-Sport models are not. Can you elaborate on how a Sport model is different from a standard model?
I have a 2012 Sport Limited by the way and love it!
Thanks,

Found the manual on TechInfo here:
http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/69520/pdf/ownerManual/069520_2012_Impreza/MSA5M1213Ball_17.pdf"

Their response:

"Thank you for contacting Subaru of America, inc.

We are excited to learn that you are enjoying your Impreza Sport! This model vehicle replaces our Outback sport model. It's a matter of badging. You can refer to page 7-18 and 7-19 regarding the CVT in your vehicle. On page 7-22, there are instructions on how to use the different gears in the manual mode.

I am so glad to hear that you are reading your Owner's Manual! There is a lot of useful and helpful information in this book. If you have any other questions, please let me know."

So basically it's marketing and flappy paddles.
I doubt the flappy paddle matter, mine is a 5 speed sport, and has the same information in the owners manual vis a vis off road use
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