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Old 11-18-2013, 02:34 PM   #776
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I did my downpipe and turbo/intercooler swap in a sharp gravel parking space in the rain in pitch black. I used only my iPhone for light. You don't need a garage. And sadly I'm not exaggerating. I hated that house.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:45 AM   #777
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I will be ordering a center section with the 9 blade TD06sl2 wheel and 10 blade billet comp wheel, along with a shiny new 8cm hot side from Kinugawa/Kamak.

They are even giving me a nasioc discount

Coupling that center section and turbine housing with a Kinugawa 3" anti-surge comp housing.

Should be a fun setup once it's in and tuned.

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Old 01-02-2014, 01:07 AM   #778
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I just figured I let you guys and gals know. I am one of the beta testers for the smaller SteamSpeed prototype turbos. The unit has the garret GTX2867R billet 47lbs/min compressor wheel, and the Kamak STS 9 blade TD05H turbine wheel. This unit has a 2.4 inlet compresspor housing. The compressor housing will make the IC pipe or TMIC elbow fitment great. The Turbine housing is a 8cm and a rather nicely constructed piece. Aslo has a billet adjustable wastegate actuator.

This turbo will be going on my04 forester. The car is rather built so Ill be able to push the unit for our testing. Ill be tuning a regular conservative tune, and another more aggressive tune.

Ill post up pictures soon. First impression is the unit was packaged very well as you would expect from SteamSpeed/Kamak/Kinugawa. The turbo looks great. Ive deff help alot of turbos and run a bunch of different setup on a few of my scoobs. Over all this seems to be a very high quality unit.

I look forward to testing this unit and getting the car on a few different dynos to share the results.
Any updates? Very interested in this turbo for my new hybrid build...
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Old 02-12-2014, 10:00 AM   #779
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Did anybody install the braided stainless tubes for coolant that come these days with the Kamak?
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:10 AM   #780
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I run the kinugawa td06-20g turbo on my hybrid build and am impressed with the power it makes. 400 awhp. For the price it is a great turbo.
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:55 PM   #781
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I like my 10 cm 1.5 xt-r Blouch on my built hybrid. I made Just over 350 AWHP on 93 and 437 AWHP on E85. 22K miles and 0 problems.
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Old 02-13-2014, 03:21 PM   #782
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I gave this a lot of thought but decided to also go with the Blouch Dominator 1.5XT-R 10cm... the price difference just wasn't big enough between the two to sway me toward trying a Kamak.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:43 AM   #783
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Did anybody get the 60 A/R compressor housing in the Kamak turbo, or did everyone get the 57 housing?
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:13 PM   #784
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I had a chance to run my hybrid with the kinugawa td06-20g at the drags last weekend. I have to say it is a great turbo. We did a 11.758 at 111.55.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:36 PM   #785
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Cost was a factor, but I always knew kinugawa/kamak/kando dynamic, was a good company. Research compiled from here, various Aussie forums, RB25 forums, and DSM forums were my connection to most of the reliability and performance questions I had......(though i still have one, question posed bottom of thread)

My intention: 400-475 easy w/meth, top end, full boost no later than 4500rpm

Factors: Cost, reliabilty, performance, customer service, quality, top end

Driving style: backroads, on ramps, straight line/highway, no launching, no track

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**I knew the turbo would be a tight fit, but even with the up pipe studs loose and up pipe loose.......the compressor cover would not clear the intake manifold.

So......my engine builder decided to rotated it (some pics are mock up/tac welded, others w/ welding complete)















I plan on having everything buttoned up by next weekend

My question is this:

Through my research, it seems that the 60-1 = FP Red in terms of flow
TD06sl2 25g = akin to 3076 in terms of flow
The TD06H 25g has the same inducer and exducer compressor and turbine size as Greddy T67

So where does that put the TD06H 25g in terms of flow lb/min?

I would imagine that TD06H 25g w/ billet wheel and 9 blade exhaust wheel in 8cm would flow more than 60-1

Really wanted the 10cm hotside, but no one would sell it to me (it was only offered in twin scroll application)

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Old 03-27-2014, 11:23 PM   #786
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I know this doesn't answer your question but I really think the TD06 20g is a waste...alot more lag without much more up top. Ive been in a TD05 20g hybrid which still pulled to 7k and spooled around 4k...I do think the TD06sl would be a perfect medium tho
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:25 PM   #787
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TD06H-25g should flow the same as the TD06SL2-25g because they have the same compressor. All you changed was the turbine wheel diameter, the H is larger so it will flow more but require more flow to spin.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:11 AM   #788
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I run a 60-1 td06sl2 in my forester, I do not think its on par to an fp red, I feel that the 25g would have more potential. The wheel is bigger and will like boost more than the 60-1 wheel. My 60-1 is great in my application, low boost and fast spool. I posted a graph several pages back.

I used to feel the same way about the large td06h wheel in a 20g, I have one in a recently completed RS swap with a mildly built ej255 out of a 2006 wrx, it's the 11 blade td06h4 and spools 4k to7k better than I thought it would. I think the td06sl2 is a better wheel for the 20g but you never know til you try.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:43 AM   #789
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Reread the thread again and came up with these few gatherings below:




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25G compressor wheel = 60.2mm/ 78mm(Ind/exd)
60-1 compressor wheel = 59.5mm/ 76mm(Ind/exd)

Not by much, but the 25G is slightly bigger.
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Yeah, pretty big. Little smaller then 35r and bigger then red/30r
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Essentially it is a Greddy T67-25G with the Kamak engineered 9 blade (vs 11 blade "Green" style) turbine wheel which has less blades, but more overall surface area with a newer age (think GTX30R or GTX35R) turbine blade profile. With the twinscroll housing, it is going to be one of the highest and fastest TQ producing bolt on turbos on the market due to the 25G compressor wheel. The 60-1 wheel is another option, but it will spool later and not really the right compressor wheel IMHO for our smaller displacement motors. The 25GTX wheel will spool faster and make more WTQ than the 60-1 wheel. It will easily make over 400WHP even with your exhaust restrictions. As far as making more power, the Dom3 XT-R is not an apples to apples comparison. Since your goal is 400WHP and you ave twin scroll pipes, the Kamak twinscroll STS TD06SL2-25GTX is good choice. I have heard good and bad about the Dom3, but I can tell you the TD06SL2-25G turbo is a very popular upgrade in other countries and has a higher overall (the world) install base.
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I run a rotated gtx3071r and made over 450 whp on pump. I suspect even a gtx3076 would get him close to 500 whp, but I agree that gtx35 would be better to get him to the 500 to 500+ whp range if rotated. I wouldn't bother with the Garrett turbo though if he isn't going rotated.

I think the TD06H-25G could get you to the 450-500 whp range with the billet compressor and the STS turbine.
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The turbine is rather small is all. That is why I changed to a T06H size. That is however the same size turbine as the Greddy T67-25G which is a known 10 sec turbo (almost a 35R). I had the single scroll TD06SL2-25GTX at first, but then changed to the larger TD06H STS turbine.
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It comes with a 3 inch compressor housing that is nearly the same size as a Greddy T67-25G and has the same internals (but with a billet compressor wheel and the STS 9 blade turbine wheel). The external Greddy 8CM^2 TD06SL2-25G (T67-25G) has run high 10's on a built STI. However, I am of the opinion that the TD06H-25G STS-GTX stock location matches or beats the external Greddy.
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:23 AM   #790
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Are you all running the oil feed restrictors that come with the kinugawa/kamak turbos? My turbo rebuilder said that i should not run one anymore since its a journal bearing turbo and could have been a factor as to why mine took a dump after only a year and a half and 15k miles.
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My turbo did not come w/ an oil feed restrictor
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Looks like i will be drilling out the oil restrictor that was provided to add some flow then. Looks like i am not the only one that is having oiling issues check out the kinugawa thread in proven power bragging. Xluben has also already had to send his new steam speed turbo back for a rebuild due to some oiling problems and his was much newer then mine.
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Take a look at the FP page.
Even if you drill out the restrictor, the car comes with a restrictor in the hard line by the banjo bolt on the passenger side head.
The FP solution has good lubrication for the bearings of the turbo, but AVCS angle should be logged once it's installed.
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Yeah i am going to remove the banjo bolt filter on the head that feeds the turbo as per suggested by fp even though my car only has under 30k miles with regular oil changes every 2k miles you cant be to safe. I am also going to drill out the restrictor or possibly find a different union at the hardware store with out any restriction that fits the chra and my stainless line.
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Old 03-29-2014, 03:02 PM   #795
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Let's see a pic of what you're referring to as the restrictor.
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I dont have the turbo back yet but i posted a link to the turbo i have in the other thread.
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The above photo applies to '02-05 WRX.

For cars with Single AVCS, the ring fitting has two outlets, one for AVCS, one for the turbo. The entry orifice of the conduit that feeds the turbo has a restricted bore, just like above (above, 0.55"=1.39mm, narrower than the Kinugawa banjo hole).
So there is no way to bypass that restriction, other than relocating where you're taking the feed from, which is what FP does.
For more info and to see a photo of the single AVCS turbo oil feeding system, visit their page, go to the tech info tab and see the Subaru oil feed line (for single AVCS)

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Well it looks like the banjo bolt that kinugawa sells for there turbos and comes in the install kit comes with a 1.5mm hole for there turbo i will have to measure the fitting that came with mine and see if its the same size. I only have single avcs so i am not sure if the turbo shares the same line as the avcs if it does then i will just leave it as is but still delete the screen.
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Cost was a factor, but I always knew kinugawa/kamak/kando dynamic, was a good company. Research compiled from here, various Aussie forums, RB25 forums, and DSM forums were my connection to most of the reliability and performance questions I had......(though i still have one, question posed bottom of thread)

My intention: 400-475 easy w/meth, top end, full boost no later than 4500rpm

Factors: Cost, reliabilty, performance, customer service, quality, top end

Driving style: backroads, on ramps, straight line/highway, no launching, no track

02 wrx wagon
EJ255 (06 forestor xt sb) forged piston/rod
Stock heads w/slight pnp
Tgv deleted, air pumps deleted
Rotated Kinugawa TD06H 25g 8cm (pnp, billet wheel, 9 blade exhaust wheel, ewg, 3 inch inlet/anti surge
Accessport w/speed density
SMC meth
Sri
38mm IAG ewg up pipe
Custom reverse flow fmic piping
02 5mt Act Hd (same trans has seen 18g, og green, 6266)
APS 525 reverse flow
800cc injectors

**I knew the turbo would be a tight fit, but even with the up pipe studs loose and up pipe loose.......the compressor cover would not clear the intake manifold.

So......my engine builder decided to rotated it (some pics are mock up/tac welded, others w/ welding complete)



I plan on having everything buttoned up by next weekend

My question is this:

Through my research, it seems that the 60-1 = FP Red in terms of flow
TD06sl2 25g = akin to 3076 in terms of flow
The TD06H 25g has the same inducer and exducer compressor and turbine size as Greddy T67

So where does that put the TD06H 25g in terms of flow lb/min?

I would imagine that TD06H 25g w/ billet wheel and 9 blade exhaust wheel in 8cm would flow more than 60-1

Really wanted the 10cm hotside, but no one would sell it to me (it was only offered in twin scroll application)
Here is my TD06H turbine housing and STS 9 blade turbine:



The Kinugawa TD06H-STS-25GTX flows 67-69 lb/min. The 60-1 and the 25G wheel flow about the same, but the 25G makes more low end TQ on smaller engines. The 60-1 spools late on a 2.5L. The 4 inch compressor cover is a good upgrade compared to the 3 inch because of the large 5x5 blades on the compressor wheel. It will spool faster and make more top end power with the 4 inch cover. With a 4 inch cover it is comparable to a GTX35R. Supporting mods (even small ones like phenolic spacers, port matching, etc.) will make big power gains with this turbo. The larger the turbo the more additional power supporting mods make.

An FP Red is a standard wheel TD06H with a 60-1 standard compressor wheel. FP also made some FP Reds with a 25G wheel. The Kinugawa will spool faster and outflow it.

There have been several iterations of the FP Green, but the original was a TD06SL2-20G. It was then changed to a TD06H-20G. Then it got a FMW, etc...

You did not need to go rotated. Your engine builder kind of took you for a ride there. He could have reversed the intake manifold instead (kstech sells 9.5mm phenolic spacers so your alternator and AC will still fit). I see he fabbed an up-pipe extension (like the TXS or the Greddy T67). That extension pipe puts the turbo even further away from the exhaust ports. A turbo is more efficient closer to the exhaust ports as heat has more of an impact on turbo efficiency than whether it is rotated or not.

Anyone getting the Kinugawa 3 or 4 inch compressor cover turbos should reverse the intake manifold or buy the non-ported 3 inch compressor cover.

I run my 1100 cc EV14 injectors with custom SS -6 AN fuel lines (parallel with Kinugawa rails) and I am maxing my injectors on gas (I plan on getting a fuelab prodigy pump to go with my FPR to run E85 with a base pressure of 80 PSI to approach 600 WHP). I also am running meth injection right now.

I made over 400WHP on my TD05-20G on E85 (also on gas + meth inj). A TD05-20G (non STS, non GTX) is a 47 lb/min turbo. You can make 200 WHP more than that with the TD06H-STS-25GTX. It flows more than a Greddy T67-25G. The Greddy T67-25G is a TD06SL2-25G turbo (no FMW, no STS turbine) and those turbos can put you in the mid-upper 10's in the 1/4 mile. I blew my headgasket out (the stock headbolts stretched) with my TD06H-STS-25GTX on gas before I could get any dyno results.

This is what I made on E85 on my TD05-20G (with many supporting mods):



Gabe

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Man you guys got some crappy tuners or need to work on your tuning skills. A GTX style TD06SL2-20G should get you 400 WHP on gas alone with supporting mods (DW340 pump, EV14 1000-1100 injectors, BigMaF, headers (or GS X-pipe), GS up-pipe, 3 inch bellmouth D/P, turbo inlet, TXS or comparable 50/50 BPV, TXS or comparable FMIC, 3 inch catback. Its a freaking FP Green with the new wheel technology (which is goog for 20% more flow)).

Heck this is my car at Stage2 (stock turbo) back in 2007:



My wife still has her stock turbo and her 06 STI makes 382 ft/lbs of WTQ and 347 WHP on a 105K mile VF39.
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