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Old 02-19-2014, 08:31 PM   #351
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Just what I herd man. I didn't say it did. I said I thought!

As far as searching shouldn't it be here on the first page or do you not care to sell them that much?
Lol pretty sure there are two clips in the first post. One a GD, and one a GR.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:40 AM   #352
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Anyone want to buy my v1 kb header setup for ewg and ti wrapped
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:47 AM   #353
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Makes sense, I didn't stop to think about flow like that. I was thinking the other day about how O2 could possibly disrupt the airflow or kinda make the tube smaller by displacing some of it. But this makes sense now as to why you put it there.


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When you visualize gas flowing through a tube, picture it as water. You launch a slug of water into a bent tube and it flows mostly along the outside of the bend. Gasses do the same thing; highest velocity/energy is off center favoring the outside of a bend. Even when there are two bends with a short straight between them the energy continues to travel off-center. So, to make a short story long... placing the sensor on the inside of the bends causes the least flow disruption/turbulence while still providing proper feedback. An inconvenience, yes. An uncompromising approach for maximum performance, definitely.







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Old 02-20-2014, 11:02 AM   #354
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Uncompromising performance. Tis the killer b way!!!!

WINNING!
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:59 PM   #355
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That is true but also back pressure and ability to fill the said area also plays a huge factor on the flow path.


Remember the garden house theory? Well I can change my hose configuration all day long. If my pump doesn't provide the pressure it will only flow so much.

I can re configure the nozzle to pick how I want it to release the pressure. But it won't increase flow unless I have the pump to match it.

My theory is back pressure play hand in hand. It's a love hate kinda relationship.

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Old 02-20-2014, 03:36 PM   #356
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When you can find heads/cams/valves big enough to make our header a bottleneck let me know. The highest HP car these have been on exceeded 1K whp (a land-speed junky) and they have not proven to be a hindrance.

Anything and everything is a bottleneck at some point. So far, we've not seen that level.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:37 PM   #357
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Since it's not a bottleneck at 1000hp doesn't that mean it can be downsized for the average 300-400whp car and achieve more spool gains?
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:17 PM   #358
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An improvement in VE is an improvement in VE.

Of all the plots floating around out there I know of only a couple that show reduced spool (by 100-200RPMs tops) and those themselves have discrepancies since the pulls were started at different RPMs, different, different weather conditions, different tunes, etc. I've not seen a single plot where the only variables were the header, showing a loss in spool.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:26 PM   #359
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Since it's not a bottleneck at 1000hp doesn't that mean it can be downsized for the average 300-400whp car and achieve more spool gains?
If it merged at the turbo housing that alone would be enough.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:51 AM   #360
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Then you have no means of properly regulating boost. Your cyl to cyl backpressure would be horribly inconsistent as the flow out of the WG varies depending on which primary is most aligned with the WG port. It also doesn't give enough room to angle the WG port in the direction of flow, or place it close to the port. Both of which give better flow and responsiveness of regulation. Another downside of a 'T' WG port is that the crappy flow characteristics usually mean you need to run a bigger WG. A bigger WG add turbulence and reduces boost modulation vs a smaller WG. And even another point, is putting the WG too close to the turbine can have an adverse effect because it can create turbulence as the pulses are entering the volute, there is a sweet spot for WG angle and placement.
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:09 AM   #361
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Then you have no means of properly regulating boost. Your cyl to cyl backpressure would be horribly inconsistent as the flow out of the WG varies depending on which primary is most aligned with the WG port. It also doesn't give enough room to angle the WG port in the direction of flow, or place it close to the port. Both of which give better flow and responsiveness of regulation. Another downside of a 'T' WG port is that the crappy flow characteristics usually mean you need to run a bigger WG. A bigger WG add turbulence and reduces boost modulation vs a smaller WG. And even another point, is putting the WG too close to the turbine can have an adverse effect because it can create turbulence as the pulses are entering the volute, there is a sweet spot for WG angle and placement.
Sure you would just would need the Ewg in the turbine house where it should be to begin with. Good day. The birds are out over here!
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:22 AM   #362
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And you will see performance degrade with it in the housing vs not. I look forward to your next nonsensical comment.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:56 AM   #363
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I was able to finally tune my 6466 setup in my 2012 STI this past weekend using the KB header.... Speachless.. My 6466 in 4th gear makes 20psi by 4100rpm



Car also put down 622whp on 33psi on the mustang dyno, a 2013 stg2 + tmic wrx I tuned directly before made 265-270whp/290ftlbs maxing out the fuel system just to give an idea of how the dyno reads.
What size MAF tube are you running on that and is it mounted in the cold or hot side ?
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Old 02-21-2014, 12:11 PM   #364
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And you will see performance degrade with it in the housing vs not. I look forward to your next nonsensical comment.
Whys that?
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Old 02-21-2014, 12:12 PM   #365
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What size MAF tube are you running on that and is it mounted in the cold or hot side ?
Petty sure it's speed density
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:01 PM   #366
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Is this stock gearing? 100mph@5000rpm is closer to 5th gear.

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I was able to finally tune my 6466 setup in my 2012 STI this past weekend using the KB header.... Speachless.. My 6466 in 4th gear makes 20psi by 4100rpm



Car also put down 622whp on 33psi on the mustang dyno, a 2013 stg2 + tmic wrx I tuned directly before made 265-270whp/290ftlbs maxing out the fuel system just to give an idea of how the dyno reads.
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Old 02-21-2014, 04:05 PM   #367
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Is this stock gearing? 100mph@5000rpm is closer to 5th gear.

Proof is in the pudding so they say!
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:14 PM   #368
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Is this stock gearing? 100mph@5000rpm is closer to 5th gear.
Tires play a factor in gearing as well. Taller tires longer gearing.
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Tires play a factor in gearing as well. Taller tires longer gearing.
Car was dynoed on his stock wheel and tire setup.

I want to say he was doing his pulls in 4th but dont remember fully. Either way it was fun listening to that monster spool up and scream to red line.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:47 AM   #370
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Tires play a factor in gearing as well. Taller tires longer gearing.
The ECU doesn't know if tire sizes have changed. The screenshot looks to be a data log from the ECU.

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Car was dynoed on his stock wheel and tire setup.

I want to say he was doing his pulls in 4th but dont remember fully. Either way it was fun listening to that monster spool up and scream to red line.
Then it would have been in 5th gear, which has a ratio of ~49.5rpm/mph
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Tires play a factor in gearing as well. Taller tires longer gearing.
Unless it has mini tubs I doubt it has large enough tires lol amateur
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:48 AM   #372
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Unless it has mini tubs I doubt it has large enough tires lol amateur
IF anyone looks like the amateur here it is you..by far. I suggest you stop posting nonsense before killerbee continues to give us a show disproving every single thing you post for the most part.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:31 AM   #373
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IF anyone looks like the amateur here it is you..by far. I suggest you stop posting nonsense before killerbee continues to give us a show disproving every single thing you post for the most part.

For the most part you have no say in what's been said. You're just a tag along. So keep that bench warm for you team.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:57 AM   #374
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Car was dynoed on his stock wheel and tire setup.

I want to say he was doing his pulls in 4th but dont remember fully. Either way it was fun listening to that monster spool up and scream to red line.
Hmm, It doesn't add up to stock tires and 4th gear!

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The ECU doesn't know if tire sizes have changed. The screenshot looks to be a data log from the ECU.



Then it would have been in 5th gear, which has a ratio of ~49.5rpm/mph
If the speed sensor signal was corrected it would know. You could get close with a 27" tall tire.

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Unless it has mini tubs I doubt it has large enough tires lol amateur
Hey troll boy, you better adjust your meds. What are you doing in this thread anyway? You didn't even have a clue as to the existence of these headers, then you jump in here with BS babble to just clutter up the thread and others. Don't you have a job or something else maybe useful that you could be doing?
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:02 AM   #375
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For the most part you have no say in what's been said. You're just a tag along. So keep that bench warm for you team.
At least as a tag along who keeps the bench warm I get to watch killerbee and others wipe your "knowledge" all over the board.
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