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Old 03-04-2014, 11:56 AM   #1
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Hello, I am currently in a debate over what suspension I should buy for my car, and need a little help as the searching I've done has not answered me fully. I have a 2014 STI limited

First off id like to point out what i want out of my car, I would like a lowered look without being slammed, but also perform well (this is where im looking into the RCE yellows)

At the same time, I'm curious about coilovers, if i were to get a set of coilovers and go down about .8 to 1 inch, would this limit my handling? I know the springs like Cobb and so on that lower an inch on stock struts hurt handling, but i haven't heard much about a coilover being an inch lower than stock having that same effect due to the adjustability. I really like the 1 inch drop, but I do not want to kill my cars function.

Also, would i need supporting mods with the coilovers? Im looking into the FA and ISC coilovers as my funds aren't super high after my new purchase.

I use my car as my DD, but i also care about how it feels on the road. I do not plan to track it often, but I may end up at an event once or twice a year, who knows.
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Old 03-04-2014, 03:10 PM   #2
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Since your goal is lower wo/compromising the ride too much vs wanting improved handling, I'd recommend RCE blacks or yellows + and upgraded and adjustable replacement strut/cartridge. Might need camber bolts to achieve target camber settings, depending on what they are. If you want to go lower then you're going to start spending $$$.

Coil-overs will work but since optimal handling is not your goal why spend the time and money associated with a quality CO set-up (generally $3-$4k for a good set including supporting upgrades).
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:54 PM   #3
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Since your goal is lower wo/compromising the ride too much vs wanting improved handling, I'd recommend RCE blacks or yellows + and upgraded and adjustable replacement strut/cartridge. Might need camber bolts to achieve target camber settings, depending on what they are. If you want to go lower then you're going to start spending $$$.

Coil-overs will work but since optimal handling is not your goal why spend the time and money associated with a quality CO set-up (generally $3-$4k for a good set including supporting upgrades).
Im on rce yellowd and dspecs with com c hats.

Nicer look than stock forsure...but you better find the quietest and least harsh tire to slap on and counter some of the NVH you inheret.

Blacks arent as agressive and would be a better ride quaility choice.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:58 PM   #4
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Talk to Myles at racecomp. Great guy and will give you good advice. I may have a set of bilsteins/blacks with 10k on them for you in April if I decide not to put them on our FXT. Look around on here to see what it would look like, roughly 3/4 inch drop (here is my car). Don't buy cheap coils





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Thanks for all the advice guys. It seems like a 1" drop is hard to achieve without spending a lot of $$ aye? Is there any other spring and strut combo that could get me on that level?

Thanks again for all the help!
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:38 PM   #6
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Thanks for all the advice guys. It seems like a 1" drop is hard to achieve without spending a lot of $$ aye? Is there any other spring and strut combo that could get me on that level?

Thanks again for all the help!
My dspecs and yellows lowered my gd 1.5" front and rear.

And a member from another forum is on perrin springs with his 04 and its lower than mine and he says it doesnt ride harsh despite his stock dampers.

And if you want.....theres a guy at my work who has a gr hatch with yellows on it.....(which would be the closest thing to your application since its the same model) and it looks pretty flush while still being functional.

Pm me your phone # and ill text u a picture tonight of what it looks like. Hes running 18s with 245/40/18 tho

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Thanks for all the advice guys. It seems like a 1" drop is hard to achieve without spending a lot of $$ aye? Is there any other spring and strut combo that could get me on that level?

Thanks again for all the help!
The dilemma of going down > 1" all around is that it, 1) negatively affects handling, 2) requires camber correction upgrades or 3) it will negatively affect tire wear. For a GR, a frt of height of 13.75" - 14", and rear at 13.25" - 13.5" (center of wheel to fender lip) seems to be the right spot for lowering so that the car is still a good all around vehicle/DD and minimizes the ugly wheel gap. You can certainly go lower, but then its looks over practicality.
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The dilemma of going down > 1" all around is that it, 1) negatively affects handling, 2) requires camber correction upgrades or 3) it will negatively affect tire wear. For a GR, a frt of height of 13.75" - 14", and rear at 13.25" - 13.5" (center of wheel to fender lip) seems to be the right spot for lowering so that the car is still a good all around vehicle/DD and minimizes the ugly wheel gap. You can certainly go lower, but then its looks over practicality.
Does this remain true even with a roll center kit?

Im just curious becuase the last track day i went to (when i still had my minicooper) there were Subaru's out there that were pretty low (looked amazing) and smoked basically everything on the track besides the gtr's and so on.. So they must be getting the looks and performance somehow. I guess that turns me back to what someone else answered which was a lot of $$$$?
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Yes, lowering the car helps autocross or track handling (lower CG) but it does not work very well on a DD. In Autox you don't care about tire wear or high speed cornering just speed! Looks cool, turns great.... but $$$ and impractical.
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Guys, he has a GR so you can't compare to 02-07 Impreza Yellows. Completely different spring, and the shocks on a GR are pretty good.

First...there are 2 reasons lowering can cause complications to handling. One of them is suspension travel. Lowering a lot with a lowering spring means you've sacrificed a lot of compression travel and are riding the bumpstops. Bad for handling as your spring rate spikes quickly and also you can't soak up bumps well. Coilovers are better at this since they are designed around a lower ride height with shock bodies sized appropriately.

The other problem is geometry. This affects springs and coilovers identically. The advantage here for coilovers is that they usually have stiff enough springs where it's less of an issue, however, this means you're running stiff springs which may be too much for you. Springs are usually softer while at the same time if you're too low you're running on the bumpstops but that's no good either.

RCE Yellows are a good and simple way to go. Mild/medium drop, come with replacement bumpstops, solid spring rates. Put them, get an alignment, and you're done.
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Guys, he has a GR so you can't compare to 02-07 Impreza Yellows. Completely different spring, and the shocks on a GR are pretty good.

First...there are 2 reasons lowering can cause complications to handling. One of them is suspension travel. Lowering a lot with a lowering spring means you've sacrificed a lot of compression travel and are riding the bumpstops. Bad for handling as your spring rate spikes quickly and also you can't soak up bumps well. Coilovers are better at this since they are designed around a lower ride height with shock bodies sized appropriately.

The other problem is geometry. This affects springs and coilovers identically. The advantage here for coilovers is that they usually have stiff enough springs where it's less of an issue, however, this means you're running stiff springs which may be too much for you. Springs are usually softer while at the same time if you're too low you're running on the bumpstops but that's no good either.

RCE Yellows are a good and simple way to go. Mild/medium drop, come with replacement bumpstops, solid spring rates. Put them, get an alignment, and you're done.
I sent him pictures of a GR in my parking lot with konis and yellows.

No one is telling him to slam his car.....
Simply to pick the best lowering spring for his application.

Yellows are great as mentioned and was only comparing the quality of the ride.
Im sure the quality is the same as an 04-07 spring.

You will not be riding on your stops properly dampened as yellows let you get the lowest with using the most of available travel.

The wheel gap I texted him was almost non exisitant on the guys gr hatch with 245/40/18's

The ride is alot nicer in the gr than the gd too fyi.

Camber and toe can simply be taken care of with an alignment so going with a lowering spring will throw them off but can easily be readjusted.

Any of the naysayers here probably sleep with a dreamcatcher too....

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