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Old 01-27-2013, 10:44 PM   #26
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Read on another review that it was developed unapologetically for the dry...

kinda what i was alluding to, really
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:32 AM   #27
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So no go for me as it rains alot here in the PNW.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:55 AM   #28
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So no go for me as it rains alot here in the PNW.

and a BIG reason i like another particular MAX performance tire for dd/street use
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:26 PM   #29
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the Z2 is noticeably better than the Star Spec Z1 in the wet ... we will have to wait for the Rival vs. Z2 vs. RE11A test

Uncle Scotty, while I know it's really that big of a deal but, the tires being discussed are a little beyond the typical "MAX" performance tire and in the "EXTREME" performance category
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:15 PM   #30
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This is true however tires touted as good for a track and to drive daily require probably more wet performance.
How do they compare to Michelin Pilot Super Sport?

225/45R17
Rival $150.00
PSS $165.00

It seems that 10% more buys much better tire from the same company, doesn't it?

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Old 01-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #31
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and a BIG reason i like another particular MAX performance tire for dd/street use
It would be interesting to see TR test say, the 2 best rain performing Max tires on the wet track vs the Extreme tires, to see what if anything could be gained by by having a "wet set". Love to see the Extreme's tested against the PSS and S-04 pp or even the DW's.
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:20 PM   #32
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This is true however tires touted as good for a track and to drive daily require probably more wet performance.
How do they compare to Michelin Pilot Super Sport?

225/45R17
Rival $150.00
PSS $165.00

It seems that 10% more buys much better tire from the same company, doesn't it?

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the Rival is closer to an R-Compound tire than the Pilot Super Sport. On track performance or an AutoX environment the PSS would not be close. From the information I have seen the Rival on a wet surface should be pretty good but, all bets are off when going through standing water.
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:27 PM   #33
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It would be interesting to see TR test say, the 2 best rain performing Max tires on the wet track vs the Extreme tires, to see what if anything could be gained by by having a "wet set". Love to see the Extreme's tested against the PSS and S-04 pp or even the DW's.
that would be an interesting test
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:34 PM   #34
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that would be an interesting test
And probably pretty useful for people buying performance tires for the street.

I think the categories really muck things up for people trying to make an intelligent decision about STREET tires. The categories seem to be set up around dry performance, but dry performance is my third priority on street tires.

#1 is wet performance. It rains. I drive in the rain. I want to be able to live through that if I need to make an emergency lane change. When I was not making such intelligent decisions about tires, some experiences with tires that performed very well in dry but questionably in rain have moved this to my #1 priority, with #2 a pretty close second.

#2 is communication / predictability / progressive break-away. Street surfaces are less predictable than any track and vary a LOT. I generally don't drive too aggressive on the street, but if I do, I want the best chance of correcting a mistake before it happens.

#3 is dry performance, but this is a fairly distant 3rd.

#4 is road manners. Very distant 4th now that we have a 3rd car and my wife rides in my car like half a dozen times a year.

Now when I was less mature, then dry performance was #1 priority, but as I've gained wisdom, it has become far less important... of course it helps that tire technology in the last 20 years has made great wet/dry tires WAY better. It's difficult to compare across "categories" because the categories seem built around dry performance, and tires are only given head-to-heads in their own performance category.

For example, the performance category description says that "extreme" trades wet performance and comfort for ultimate dry performance, but compare wet lap times, stopping distances and comfort ratings of the "extreme" and "max" tests and the numbers in those don't necessarily support that statement. It's hard to tell if that's because the test happened on a different day in different conditions or the drivers were in a different mood for handing out ratings or if those are real.

I feel like there could be quite a bit of overlap between "categories" with these priorities, but it's difficult to sort out. And at $800 a set that last thousands of miles, it's not like real people can do any comparison shopping. I feel like some of the highest performing tires have good versatility and could compete well with some of the "max" or "ultra" tires in wet performance, but it's difficult to sort that out without something that really showcases the versatility that should be important to most people buying tires for the street... or someone less experienced hitting the track... Someone who's very willing to give up tenths in ideal conditions to gain tangible safety margins in less ideal conditions.

I absolutely appreciate the tests that are done though. I know there is a great deal of effort to make them as useful as possible... and they absolutely are useful. Always room for improvement, though

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Old 04-29-2014, 12:34 PM   #35
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Anyone one else using the Rivals? Doesn't seem like I can find a lot of reviews on these tires on Subarus.
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