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Old 04-30-2014, 03:12 AM   #76
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Old 04-30-2014, 03:37 AM   #77
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So I am biased about CVT. My wife's Nissan broke down on a road trip cause the CVT and I had to get a rental to get home and then make a ten hour drive round trip to get the car back.

I really don't understand people wanting or liking the CVT. Comments about having to think about shifting when driving a manual don't make sense to me. A manual transmission is so much more engaging and enjoyable, even if I have to put up with bad traffic. Once you have the muscle memory for a manual you shouldn't have to "think" about it.

It seems like Americans in general don't want to be engaged in their driving, they need their Google cars to drive them around so they can text while eating their Big Macs.

I feel more in tune and connected and in control of my car when it is a manual. I would not consider ever buying any kind of performance car that was automatic.

As for a good word to use instead of "shift" for the CVTs I nominate "slide", makes sense to me.
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:03 AM   #78
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So I am biased about CVT. My wife's Nissan broke down on a road trip cause the CVT and I had to get a rental to get home and then make a ten hour drive round trip to get the car back.

I really don't understand people wanting or liking the CVT. Comments about having to think about shifting when driving a manual don't make sense to me. A manual transmission is so much more engaging and enjoyable, even if I have to put up with bad traffic. Once you have the muscle memory for a manual you shouldn't have to "think" about it.

It seems like Americans in general don't want to be engaged in their driving, they need their Google cars to drive them around so they can text while eating their Big Macs.

I feel more in tune and connected and in control of my car when it is a manual. I would not consider ever buying any kind of performance car that was automatic.

As for a good word to use instead of "shift" for the CVTs I nominate "slide", makes sense to me.


While i understand your frustration with cvt transmissions however the Nissan's transmission was a steel woven belt where as the Subaru Cvt is a Chain Driven CVT which should improve reliablity.

I too am against automatics however my wife is against getting a manual she is distracted easily and its hard enough for her to drive i think it would make her concentrate more but thats just me.

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Old 04-30-2014, 11:27 AM   #79
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I'm definitely going to at least try the CVT out. I haven't driven a manual in 10 years but it's like riding a bike, you never forget how. If it turns out to be fun and a good gearbox I'll probably stick with the MT. I sit in traffic for about 10 minutes every day and have about 40 minutes of non-traffic driving, so I can see benefits to both.

People shouldn't get so passionately opinionated about what other people want to do with their own cars. If someone wants the CVT then great for them.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:09 PM   #80
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People shouldn't get so passionately opinionated about what other people want to do with their own cars. If someone wants the CVT then great for them.
Exactly This. I love a good manual trans as much as anyone. The CVT in the WRX in manual mode shifts through its eight ratios as good as a PDK, and the chassis supports the experience as well. The 15's handle incredibly. The WRX is a bit underpowered for my taste though, but it excels enough in the handling department to satisfy me overall.

I have owned many manual trans cars, some good, some bad. I wanted to be able to have a car that was performance oriented that my wife could enjoy from time to time. Subaru filled the bill quite nicely.

I am seriously considering a BRZ with a manual of course, and supercharging it to satisfy my need for speed, yet be able to maintain that superb ability to corner, and without breaking the bank.

If I didn't consider the wife from time to time in my equations, I would never be able to even consider more toys, she'd cut my testicles off.
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Old 04-30-2014, 02:54 PM   #81
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I am new to this forum; joined to hopefully get ideas for enjoying my new car. I previously had 2002 Manual WRX HB, a 2007 manual HB, and for the last week, have a 2015 WRX CVT.

Why did I switch from manual? I am frankly tired of shifting - as we age, things don't quite work as well. Anyway, here are comments after first week of ownership.

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- The 2015 is a tremendous improvement over my last two cars in every way.
- I think the styling is great; non Subaru people really like it as I do.
- The stock speakers are awful, but radio OK. Get the Kicker upgrade. I had no need for the Nav system, required for the Harmon Kardon system.

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- Certainly not the same fun from a traditional sense, but maybe more from the learning and playing with all the options. Holding in gears and accelerating out of corners works well.
- The paddle shifters work really well technically but not really used to them yet; am finding myself mostly in S# mode which works really well.
- Most reviewers say to just leave it there; true if you don't care about gas mileage; however the I mode makes tremendous sense on the highway as it dramatically reduces RPM - like an overdrive gear.
- Gas mileage on first tank (calculated) was 25.5 in mixed driving. In my 2002, I averaged about 21.5; my 2007, 23.0. So I am thrilled with first tank. BTW, the electronic readout said 28.5 MPG. 3MPG on the high side.

Bottom line: I have had no second thoughts on the 2015 or the CVT.

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Old 04-30-2014, 03:14 PM   #82
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I have been more than happy with my decision to get the CVT. Drives exceptionally well - Subaru redefined the CVT for me. All modes are great - primarily stay in the middle curve S mode (I is good for long drives where dynamics are not so needed), S# is tons of fun. For NYC driving this is best of both worlds for me. I can enjoy the WRX but not suffer the hassles of a MT in high traffic. My wife also can drive the car (we do not need two). And yes, it shifts very fast!

You can check out videos of my CVT and some of the mods in the below threads:

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2015 WRX CVT with optional STi exhaust
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Parking lot fun SONY RX100
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NJ back-roads GOPRO 3 Black
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:08 PM   #83
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I'm definitely going to at least try the CVT out. I haven't driven a manual in 10 years but it's like riding a bike, you never forget how. If it turns out to be fun and a good gearbox I'll probably stick with the MT. I sit in traffic for about 10 minutes every day and have about 40 minutes of non-traffic driving, so I can see benefits to both.

People shouldn't get so passionately opinionated about what other people want to do with their own cars. If someone wants the CVT then great for them.
Absolutely - people should get what they want for whatever reason they want it. It's their money.

I really wanted a G37xS but was just not sure if I would get bored by having an automatic. I ended up with the WRX instead rather than taking the gamble. The gearbox is much nicer than in previous models and I have no problems in traffic (having only ever owned standards though). It was the right choice - my wife just bought a CVT Forester and I find that I just don't enjoy the auto experience. She can drive standard which made the choice a lot easier. But I can tell you that I made the final choice based on what I thought and not because of anyone on a car forum
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:20 PM   #84
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So I am biased about CVT. My wife's Nissan broke down on a road trip cause the CVT and I had to get a rental to get home and then make a ten hour drive round trip to get the car back.
The Jatco CVT in your wife's Nissan isn't known for its reliability. The CVT in the WRX is an Aisin transmission and is known to be engineered quite well.
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:07 PM   #85
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The Jatco CVT in your wife's Nissan isn't known for its reliability. The CVT in the WRX is an Aisin transmission and is known to be engineered quite well.
The chain is provided by LuK and the rest is in house Subaru...
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:58 PM   #86
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Over here in jersey there are not many selection wrx with cvt I can go test drive. Most dealership will offer either sit in a six speed, and if you like it, they will order you the cvt model I want. Going to a dealership this Saturday and put our child seats in the back to see our kids can sit comfortably. Also not sure if they willing to deal for invoice pricing at Morristown Subaru. Anyone had experience with this dealership?
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:42 PM   #87
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Will they let you drive a Forester with CVT? Not the same but similar enough to get a feel.

That's what I did to make sure I was OK with CVT.
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So I am biased about CVT. My wife's Nissan broke down on a road trip cause the CVT and I had to get a rental to get home and then make a ten hour drive round trip to get the car back.

I really don't understand people wanting or liking the CVT. Comments about having to think about shifting when driving a manual don't make sense to me. A manual transmission is so much more engaging and enjoyable, even if I have to put up with bad traffic. Once you have the muscle memory for a manual you shouldn't have to "think" about it.

It seems like Americans in general don't want to be engaged in their driving, they need their Google cars to drive them around so they can text while eating their Big Macs.

I feel more in tune and connected and in control of my car when it is a manual. I would not consider ever buying any kind of performance car that was automatic.

As for a good word to use instead of "shift" for the CVTs I nominate "slide", makes sense to me.
I highly doubt "bad traffic" in Utah compares to actual bad traffic in a place like New York City...I will never understand why people take such offense on how other people spend their money ...lol Its like saying no one that lives in a good weather climate for a majority of the year should own awd cars
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Will they let you drive a Forester with CVT? Not the same but similar enough to get a feel.

That's what I did to make sure I was OK with CVT.
Good thinking, now you mentioned it I did test drove a forester xt about a year ago. It drove great but my wife didn't like the style.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:12 AM   #90
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Good thinking, now you mentioned it I did test drove a forester xt about a year ago. It drove great but my wife didn't like the style.
Probably because of the lacking of the iconic HOOD SCOOP.

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Old 05-01-2014, 01:29 AM   #91
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I highly doubt "bad traffic" in Utah compares to actual bad traffic in a place like New York City...I will never understand why people take such offense on how other people spend their money ...lol Its like saying no one that lives in a good weather climate for a majority of the year should own awd cars
I never took offense. I just said I don't understand it. I also never cited bad traffic in Utah. I only said bad traffic. And while my profile says Utah, I actually spent more than half my life in large cities in Asia where there is not only bad traffic but drivers that don't follow any rules when driving. have you ever seen a car suddenly stop on the freeway and throw it into reverse because they missed their exit? Don't make the assumption that because my current city doesn't have what you classify as bad traffic I don't know what "actual" bad traffic is or haven't experienced it. Also don't assume that because I express an opinion I am also taking offense with anyone that doesn't agree with me.

If someone wants a CVT, that's fine. I do however find manual to be much more enjoyable and think most people who can drive a manual would agree.
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This expresses my feelings on MT much better than I can.
"Running a car with a manual transmission connects man and machine in a way few other things can. In that same way the bumps and judders transmitted to a driver’s fingers through steering wheel gives one a connection to the pavement rushing beneath their seat, the vibrations transmitted to the palm of your hand by a shift ball and the sole of your left foot by the clutch pedal gives you a direct connection to a car’s drive train. Also, because you don’t have computer managing your engine speed and choosing the best gear, a manual transmission forces you to watch your gauges, to monitor the tachometer, and to actively think about the process of driving. These things pull driver and car together and when a driver has real focus they can join with the vehicle in the way that jockeys talk about becoming one with the animal during a race. That experience is, in a nutshell, enthusiasm is its purest form.'

its on this website here.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tick-handling/

Also this is an interesting read on why you might prefer manual.
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/1...stick-a-shift/

http://www.vimbly.com/blog/stick-shift-vs-automatic/
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This was wayyyy too deep man. Was this guy smoking something? - had to!

I want to see him write about this after driving a MT car in NYC for a few months or even a few good traffic days - if he is from NYC this guy is crazy!

I do agree there is a "conenction" between the car and the driver with a MT more than any other transmission.

I still had a great connection with my 2015 REX in S# with paddle-shifter "manual" mode.

In the end I am not that guy who likes to have his hand wrapped around a "stick," I like to have it on my wife's thighs - plenty of time on my wife's things and other areas in my CVT! (Just kidding... no need to kill me now MT drivers.. had MT cars in the past)
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This expresses my feelings on MT much better than I can.
"Running a car with a manual transmission connects man and machine in a way few other things can. In that same way the bumps and judders transmitted to a driverís fingers through steering wheel gives one a connection to the pavement rushing beneath their seat, the vibrations transmitted to the palm of your hand by a shift ball and the sole of your left foot by the clutch pedal gives you a direct connection to a carís drive train. Also, because you donít have computer managing your engine speed and choosing the best gear, a manual transmission forces you to watch your gauges, to monitor the tachometer, and to actively think about the process of driving. These things pull driver and car together and when a driver has real focus they can join with the vehicle in the way that jockeys talk about becoming one with the animal during a race. That experience is, in a nutshell, enthusiasm is its purest form.'

its on this website here.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tick-handling/

Also this is an interesting read on why you might prefer manual.
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/1...stick-a-shift/

http://www.vimbly.com/blog/stick-shift-vs-automatic/
Absofreakinglutely NOT. A "good" manual driving enthusiast would never be looking down. I am nowhere near some on here and don't ever look down except to make sure I am at the proper speed.

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This was wayyyy too deep man. Was this guy smoking something? - had to!

I want to see him write about this after driving a MT car in NYC for a few months or even a few good traffic days - if he is from NYC this guy is crazy!

I do agree there is a "conenction" between the car and the driver with a MT more than any other transmission.

I still had a great connection with my 2015 REX in S# with paddle-shifter "manual" mode.

In the end I am not that guy who likes to have his hand wrapped around a "stick," I like to have it on my wife's thighs - plenty of time on my wife's things and other areas in my CVT! (Just kidding... no need to kill me now MT drivers.. had MT cars in the past)
Agreed
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This expresses my feelings on MT much better than I can.
"Running a car with a manual transmission connects man and machine in a way few other things can. In that same way the bumps and judders transmitted to a driverís fingers through steering wheel gives one a connection to the pavement rushing beneath their seat, the vibrations transmitted to the palm of your hand by a shift ball and the sole of your left foot by the clutch pedal gives you a direct connection to a carís drive train. Also, because you donít have computer managing your engine speed and choosing the best gear, a manual transmission forces you to watch your gauges, to monitor the tachometer, and to actively think about the process of driving. These things pull driver and car together and when a driver has real focus they can join with the vehicle in the way that jockeys talk about becoming one with the animal during a race. That experience is, in a nutshell, enthusiasm is its purest form.'
....and some people use their car 90% of the time to get to work, but still enjoy a performance car when that opportunity presents itself.

guess what, you don't feel that spiritual "direct connection" to the car that warms your harbls when you're creeping through a tunnel everyday in rush hour traffic. you just want to end your commute with as little annoyance as possible.
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This SUBISNACKS guy has a very special connection with his transmission ...lol The fact is no one is saying the CVT is better than a manual when it comes to performance...just that in many cases the convenience of it overrule the performance factor. If it comes close and it's still fun to drive thats enough and many people would agree. I'm sure if you asked the most hardcore Subaru drivers or even the dude who wrote the love letter to his stick you quoted which car they would prefer to take into Manhattan everyday they would choose the CVT because traffic is an equalizer that sucks the fun out of driving.
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Absofreakinglutely NOT. A "good" manual driving enthusiast would never be looking down. I am nowhere near some on here and don't ever look down except to make sure I am at the proper speed.



Agreed
What part of "a manual transmission forces you to watch your gauges, to monitor the tachometer, and to actively think about the process of driving" requires one to look down? gauges and tach are pretty easily monitored without looking away from the road. I'm not trying to be argumentative just not sure what you meant here.

I could care less what people buy transmission wise. I do believe everyone should be required to LEARN on a standard transmission car and outside of special cases (disabilities) if you cannot pull this off too damn bad.

I know a lot of people have partners/friends who "can't" drive standard because of <insert reason mostly tied to incompetence/lazyness> which to me begs the question of whether they should be driving at all.
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I know a lot of people have partners/friends who "can't" drive standard because of <insert reason mostly tied to incompetence/lazyness> which to me begs the question of whether they should be driving at all.

pfft, you probably have power steering and power brakes. little beotch.
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guess what, you don't feel that spiritual "direct connection" to the car that warms your harbls when you're creeping through a tunnel everyday in rush hour traffic. you just want to end your commute with as little annoyance as possible.
After my 2:45 minute 18 mile commute yesterday due to flooding, my left leg whole-heartedly agrees with you.

That being said, I like women. So I'll stick it out with 3 pedals.

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Absofreakinglutely NOT. A "good" manual driving enthusiast would never be looking down.
LOL - I never really thought about this before, but I tend to watch the gauges in the CVT Forester a lot more than I do in the manual WRX

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...you just want to end your commute with as little annoyance as possible.
And that's why I drive a manual - I find it less annoying when I am in control of what the car is doing. Yeah, there are times when I feel lazy, but for the most part the auto-creep bugs me in crawling traffic.
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