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Old 06-21-2014, 02:21 PM   #126
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Old 06-21-2014, 03:30 PM   #127
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Ok, so the Focal speakers are just too bright... going to take a look at other options. Hopefully Crutchfield will help me out with the exchange.
look at the material the tweeters are made out of. All of the metal tweets are going to be too bright for you then. You will want to find a silk dome or fabric dome tweeter. Very nice smooth tweet that isn't harsh at all.
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Old 06-21-2014, 03:44 PM   #128
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If you are going to pull all the speakers out anyway. Might try disconnecting the tweeters and putting the coaxials in the front door. It might just be too much blasting them off the windshield.
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Old 06-21-2014, 04:54 PM   #129
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If you are going to pull all the speakers out anyway. Might try disconnecting the tweeters and putting the coaxials in the front door. It might just be too much blasting them off the windshield.
I can understand the logic, but I don't want to sacrifice the imaging of having the full range or tweeters on the dash. Honestly if there was the ability to attenuate the tweeters another 3-6 dB these might even work.

The sound is very tinny for $400 speakers. Hence the reason I am not spending time trying to fix it. Doesn't seem like a good basis for tweaking considering how they sound now.

Other options I have found on crutch field so far...

Alpine Type-R
JL C2

Too bad Crutchfield doesn't sell the ARC Components, I am sold on their quality. It is an exchange not a refund so my options are limited to Crutchfield.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:02 PM   #130
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If you are going to pull all the speakers out anyway. Might try disconnecting the tweeters and putting the coaxials in the front door. It might just be too much blasting them off the windshield.
this would be quite the downgrade. Like I mentioned earlier, you have to pay attention to what material the tweeters are made out of.

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I can understand the logic, but I don't want to sacrifice the imaging of having the full range or tweeters on the dash. Honestly if there was the ability to attenuate the tweeters another 3-6 dB these might even work.

The sound is very tinny for $400 speakers. Hence the reason I am not spending time trying to fix it. Doesn't seem like a good basis for tweaking considering how they sound now.

Other options I have found on crutch field so far...

Alpine Type-R
JL C2

Too bad Crutchfield doesn't sell the ARC Components, I am sold on their quality. It is an exchange not a refund so my options are limited to Crutchfield.

attenuating tweets down can help, but an EQ would be your biggest help (assuming you had the equipment/know how to properly adjust the eq).

of the 2 choices you have listed, I would opt for the JL C2's over the alpines. They are both nice, but I think the JLs atre a bit better. They both have silk dome tweets so either would be a great choice.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:05 PM   #131
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attenuating tweets down can help, but an EQ would be your biggest help (assuming you had the equipment/know how to properly adjust the eq).

of the 2 choices you have listed, I would opt for the JL C2's over the alpines. They are both nice, but I think the JLs atre a bit better. They both have silk dome tweets so either would be a great choice.
Another option is revert to stock/OEM woofers in the rear and put real nice components up front. I have $400 to work with. After the Amp/Sub install I have really reached my quota for Car Audio for the year.

Alpine CarPlay will be out around september, so saving up for that as well.

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Old 06-21-2014, 06:16 PM   #132
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I read through your first post but not anything in the last five pages. Just wondering why you chose the XDi to go with the Focal C2s? The Focals are 5-70 W RMS but the XDi amp is 150? Correct me if I'm wrong but that seems like overkill.

Overall very nice install. I wish I wouldn't have spliced my stock harness
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:22 PM   #133
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I read through your first post but not anything in the last five pages. Just wondering why you chose the XDi to go with the Focal C2s? The Focals are 5-70 W RMS but the XDi amp is 150? Correct me if I'm wrong but that seems like overkill.

Overall very nice install. I wish I wouldn't have spliced my stock harness
Thanks!

The reason I went with the larger Xdi amp is to give me headroom incase I wanted to change speakers. I will be keeping this amp for my next car as well so I wanted to leave my options open. The smaller Xdi was only $100 cheaper.

I would rather have more headroom than not enough power which was the case without the amp.

The Focals are properly powered and sound great at all volumes now, just too harsh.

The guy who installed used a Parrot harness, so no splicing was required at all... very slick setup. Removing it will be seamless when the time comes.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:29 PM   #134
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Thanks!

The reason I went with the larger Xdi amp is to give me headroom incase I wanted to change speakers. I will be keeping this amp for my next car as well so I wanted to leave my options open. The smaller Xdi was only $100 cheaper.

I would rather have more headroom than not enough power which was the case without the amp.

The Focals are properly powered and sound great at all volumes now, just too harsh.

The guy who installed used a Parrot harness, so no splicing was required at all... very slick setup. Removing it will be seamless when the time comes.
I see, I thought you'd have to have the Xdi amp turned down quite a bit. Why didn't you go with more powerful speakers from the start? Investing in a high-end amp seems dumb without powerful speakers. Not trying to criticize your choice. It's just if I were doing a super OCD install with really nice equipment I'd make sure the parts all match up in power.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:58 PM   #135
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Ok, so the Focal speakers are just too bright... going to take a look at other options. Hopefully Crutchfield will help me out with the exchange.
I had this problem with the Alpine SPS-610C splits I installed. Replaced with Pioneer TS A1605 C and it sounds much more balanced. The Alpine's should be much better speakers in theory, but just did not suit the acoustics of the car at all.

Maybe it has something to do with the tweeters reflecting off the windscreen? At low volumes all I could hear was the tweeters when the Alpines were in there and it was fatiguing when the volume was cranked up.

Do you have a car audio shop you can go and listen to different speakers? I did this AFTER I had purchased and installed the Alpines and it became clear where I had gone wrong haha..

Also I made my own "in line crossover" so I could re-use the factory wiring with the el-cheapo Pioneers. They have a simple single order crossover, so all I had to do was find the correct value capacitor and solder one inline with each tweeter (I still installed the crossover from the kit in the doors for the woofer, just didn't use its tweeter output).

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Old 06-21-2014, 07:03 PM   #136
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Another option is revert to stock/OEM woofers in the rear and put real nice components up front. I have $400 to work with.
this would definitely be your best option. If you have to spend that $400 at crutchflied, this is what I would recommend...

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_975E62C...2C.html?tp=106

or the JLs you mentioned earlier.

If you can spend that cash elsewhere, let me know becuase there are plenty of other/better options out there for your money.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:13 PM   #137
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Type R are good with an amp. You should be able to use the same door adapters with the SPR60/SPR60c combo. I will have to check the dash mounts.

I was thinking that you had the Access line.
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:52 PM   #138
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Those focals are actually pretty smooth. Seems as you may need to tune some more... also make sure you don't have the "display" wire hooked up versus the "car" wire for the tweeter as that attenuates the tweeter +3db so that also could be your issue. Another issue that you are going to run into is the fact the tweeters are firing off the glass and by the time it hits your ears, all of the reflection it has done will reduce the clarity of the signal.... just food for thought.
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Old 06-22-2014, 06:42 AM   #139
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I see, I thought you'd have to have the Xdi amp turned down quite a bit. Why didn't you go with more powerful speakers from the start? Investing in a high-end amp seems dumb without powerful speakers. Not trying to criticize your choice. It's just if I were doing a super OCD install with really nice equipment I'd make sure the parts all match up in power.
My original intent was only to install a head unit and speakers that can be run easily from said head unit. An amplifier was not in the plans until after I purchased the speakers and how unsatisfied I was with the sound.

Hindsight is 20/20 for sure. Now Crutchfield is being kind enough to let me exchange the speakers... so I have a clean slate.

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Type R are good with an amp. You should be able to use the same door adapters with the SPR60/SPR60c combo. I will have to check the dash mounts.

I was thinking that you had the Access line.
That is another options, moving to a different Focal set with a better crossover. The reason for the Integration series was to provide a clean/stock looking install without having to drop a large crossover in the door. The Access series is the same price.

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Those focals are actually pretty smooth. Seems as you may need to tune some more... also make sure you don't have the "display" wire hooked up versus the "car" wire for the tweeter as that attenuates the tweeter +3db so that also could be your issue. Another issue that you are going to run into is the fact the tweeters are firing off the glass and by the time it hits your ears, all of the reflection it has done will reduce the clarity of the signal.... just food for thought.
I am 99.9% sure I used car, but I will triple check. The reflection is definitely in my thought process here, which is why silk dome might be smarter to mellow it out. I have Focal monitors on my computer and they are INCREDIBLE but whole different ball game with car audio...

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Looks like I can move up in the Focal range to the Access or Performance series, Get a pair of JL C2 or C3, or

Crutchfield has a buy one, get one half off on JL and Alpine.

Option 0: Keep it and wait for the Alpine CarPlay HU and do EQ only

Option 1: Upgrade to Focal Access Series (Front & Rear) ($0 Cost after Exchange)
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_091165A...AS.html?tp=106

Option 2: Alpine Type-R Component Front & Coaxial Rear
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500SPR6...0C.html?tp=106

Option 3: JL C2 Component Front & Coaxial Rear
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_136C265...50.html?tp=106

Option 4: Focal Performance Fronts & Stock Rear (+$0)
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_091PS16...65.html?tp=106

Option 5: JL C5 Component Fronts & Stock Rear (+$100)
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_136C565...io-C5-650.html

Decisions... Decisions...
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out of all of those options.... anything but 4 would be a down grade. I run the focal k2's.
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fact - you dont like the tweeters you have due to being too bright. Easiest way to remedy that problem is to get a fabric or silk dome tweeter.
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fact - you dont like the tweeters you have due to being too bright. Easiest way to remedy that problem is to get a fabric or silk dome tweeter.
It is not the sound they reproduce its that its absurdly unbalanced.
The Access and Performance series have tweeter adjustment.

I just need a 3dB drop of high freq. going to do some tuning today and see where I get.
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I ordered my 2015 WRB WRX limited recently, and decided not to get the $2500 Nav/Premium Audio/etc upgrade. Instead, I took that money and got these for the car:

-Alpine PDX-V9 5ch amp 100Wx4, 500Wx1

-Front spkrs: Infiniti 60.11cs components

-Rear spkrs: Infiniti 62.11i coaxial

-Sub: Bazooka 12" passive bass tube

-HU: Kenwood Excelon DNX891HD

-Idatalink Maestro rr factory integration adaptor. (Haven't purchased this yet..)

So I have a great stereo, but no car to put it in yet...(hopefully soon)

Has anyone used the Idatalink Maestro? They have firmware now for Subaru, and it looks as if it preserves all of the steering wheel controls (including phone controls) and allows you to customize the function of each button. It even hooks to the obd connector and shows data on the Kenwood HU..
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I ordered my 2015 WRB WRX limited recently, and decided not to get the $2500 Nav/Premium Audio/etc upgrade. Instead, I took that money and got these for the car:

-Alpine PDX-V9 5ch amp 100Wx4, 500Wx1

-Front spkrs: Infiniti 60.11cs components

-Rear spkrs: Infiniti 62.11i coaxial

-Sub: Bazooka 12" passive bass tube

-HU: Kenwood Excelon DNX891HD

-Idatalink Maestro rr factory integration adaptor. (Haven't purchased this yet..)

So I have a great stereo, but no car to put it in yet...(hopefully soon)

Has anyone used the Idatalink Maestro? They have firmware now for Subaru, and it looks as if it preserves all of the steering wheel controls (including phone controls) and allows you to customize the function of each button. It even hooks to the obd connector and shows data on the Kenwood HU..
sorry, but "bazooka tube" and "great stereo" should never be in the same post. lol
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sorry, but "bazooka tube" and "great stereo" should never be in the same post. lol
Fair enough...What sub would you use with this system?
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When I did my research the RR was not compatible with Subaru, only the SW is.
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Old 06-22-2014, 03:44 PM   #148
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So I have another hypothesis...

I put in the OEM speakers back in the front. It sounded like crap, sound quality wise, but the mid range was back.

I then did some frequency analysis and found that my mid range was 20 dB lower than my highs and lows. This is the problem, not that its too harsh, its because in order to get the mid range where I want it, its far too loud with the highs.

I need something that will optimize the woofers from a enclosure perspective.

Any tips here would be greatly helpful. The guy that installed the amp recommended "fast rings" but I have no experience with these.
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Fair enough...What sub would you use with this system?
what is your budget for the sub? and are you able to build your own enclosure?
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what is your budget for the sub? and are you able to build your own enclosure?
Around $400, rather not have to build one
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