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Old 05-01-2014, 10:09 PM   #1
cmbezln
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Default stage 1 OTS/etune: Consensus on torqued performance tunes

So, much like everything else related to wrxs, I'm getting conflicting information all over the place. After doing lots of research and hearing about how safe the TP tune is, I decided to get a tactrix cable and download the torquedperformance stage 1. However, after mentioning in the clubwrx chat room I was doing so, I had numerous people telling me to stay away from TP and to go with an etune from a reputable tuner.

So after doing some more research and asking advice, I decided to message WTF tuning only to find out he's not etuning anymore. I've been told again and again to just get it protuned by places around here, but everybody only works with cobb accessports and charge ~$500 for the tune. I'm not sure about you guys, but $1,000 dollars is a lot to spend for a simple stage 1 tune in my book, even though I'm sure the protune would be awesome vs. an e-tune.

So, long story short...I'm thinking about going back to TP since I can't seem to find anybody else to tune. How's everyone's experience been with TP? Are the people I talked to right in that a TP map is dangerous?
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:25 PM   #2
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From my standpoint all those with OTS tunes are accepting the responsibility to do a little data-logging themselves and learn to determine if the car is running safe. Whether you are stage 1 OTS or stage 2 OTS you must datalog and pay attention to how the car is running and be prepared to make some tweaks. If you are going to go OTS stage 1 I'd suggest welding a bung into your stock downpipe and installing a wideband. You need to have the capability to monitor how the motor is doing and learningview alone won't give you the peace of mind a wideband can.

I skipped stage 1 altogether for this reason. As a college student on a budget I didn't want to waste money on welding a bung into my stock downpipe just to monitor my $50 dollar OTS stage 1 tune just for some increase in drive-ability and higher boost.

It is hard to say if an individual map is dangerous. This is the essence of OTS maps. Even done conservatively you can run into problems. The only surefire way to know if an OTS map is safe is to have your own capability to understand how the motor is running and if it is running safe. This means wide band and data logging and education.

For the above reasons you'll find the following: If you took a survey of "stage 1" cars you'd find that most are using accesports and COBB maps. If you took a survey of "Stage 2" cars you'll find a much greater diversity of EM solutions including both accesport COBB users and opensource tactrix users. There are simply not a lot of stage 1 opensource guys because most opensource guys go wideband and why go wideband on a stock downpipe.

I bought my tactrix and downloaded my software almost a year before i actually went stage 2. I never went stage 1.

just my .02 TLDR;
No OTS map is guaranteed safe, not even the COBB maps. You need to datalog and you need a wideband. Because you need those things why not just cut to the chase and go stage 2.
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:30 PM   #3
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tp tunes have done wonders for a lot of people and were the rage for a bit. id suggest getting a WB, and start with a free rom from online and learn to adjust accordingly. I started with an AP for the simple fact of Real time tuning(my 07 was opensource).
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Old 06-22-2014, 03:43 AM   #4
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Hey OP just wondering if you did TP stage 1 and if so how was it ? I've got my tactrix and going to do it soon too and want some feedback..

Also, I know it's safer but isn't it still fine to datalog without a wideband ? I have a 2012 wrx and on Eric's website it isn't listed as a requirement
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:19 PM   #5
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Hey OP just wondering if you did TP stage 1 and if so how was it ? I've got my tactrix and going to do it soon too and want some feedback..

Also, I know it's safer but isn't it still fine to datalog without a wideband ? I have a 2012 wrx and on Eric's website it isn't listed as a requirement
AFAIK the A/F ratio is accurate with narrowband for idle and cruising speeds, but becomes innaccurate at WOT. I could be totally off base about that, but either way it's not needed according to Eric

I've been having a lot of performance issues with my car in general, so it's hard to say how it was...but I do know that right after flashing, it felt like an entirely different car to me. Eric was quick to respond after sending logs every time.

I have heard conflicting things about the TP tune, but overall I would recommend it.
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:02 AM   #6
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Hey guys thanks for the reply I am still datalogging so will let u know how I go

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Old 06-27-2014, 06:12 AM   #7
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Ok guys bit the bullet and got stage 1 and 2 combo. Gonna do stage 1 right now !

How long did you guys drive for without datalogging back to Eric and is it relatively safe/conservative ?

I have emailed Eric and waiting for reply..I was wondering if 100kms might be ok as it's hard to find free open road to log in 3rd
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:08 AM   #8
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Ok guys bit the bullet and got stage 1 and 2 combo. Gonna do stage 1 right now !

How long did you guys drive for without datalogging back to Eric and is it relatively safe/conservative ?

I have emailed Eric and waiting for reply..I was wondering if 100kms might be ok as it's hard to find free open road to log in 3rd

Wait for Eric to give you instructions. He generally will tell you to log cruise and a pull. I have never had issues with him getting back to me and revising the tune in short order.
BTW, I am extremely happy with Eric's tune and customer service. I was running a protune before.
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Old 06-28-2014, 12:58 AM   #9
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So far so good guys I have emailed Eric and he said all looks ok so I'm doing a few more/better logs (initial ones not so good as not much open road in my busy area).

Back to topic the car is much quicker. Hard to tell but slightly more power but heaps more acceleration ! Didn't run rough or anything no funny noises. Boost does come on sooner and harder. And just general cruising if you put your foot down low revs in 3rd 4th 5th much more response and car actually begins to move a bit lol ! 1st and 2nd is a bit touchy and when boost kicks in it def. pulls you back !

All in all defiantly worth it !!

$350 tactrix and stage 1+2 combo
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$800-$2000 pro flash / tune

Happy with my decision and so far no regrets !
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