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Old 08-02-2014, 12:34 PM   #1
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I ordered speakers earlier in the week so I decided to spend this morning installing them. I only did the rear door speakers so far, but I will upgrade the front door speakers in a week or two.

Car Model: 2015 WRX - Base Model

First of all, I did not know I needed custom mounts for them to fit (according to the forums), however, I took out the panel anyway to see what I was working with. I realized that the new speakers I had (Pioneer TS-A1685R 6-1/2" / 6-3/4" 4-Way TS Series Coaxial Car Speakers) were not a perfect fit without speaker mounts or new holes drilled. I looked at the stock speakers for a minute or two and decided to use their mount for my new speakers.



So the only way I could use the mount was to cut out the speakers and break some of the plastic attachments that the stock speakers was using. With a knife and pliers I was able to accomplish this.











I made sure the new speaker fit inside the mount and then I drilled 2 holes for the new speaker.



I kept the stock connector since I did not want to cut any wires from the car to make it fit, all I did was connect the new speaker wires to it and used some electrical tape to keep it in place.



After the speaker was ready to go in the car I realized that the door panel may not be able to close, since it only had enough room for the stock speaker, however, IT DID! Without having to force it or anything.





So that was my morning today, hopefully the front speakers will be just as easy to install once I order a set.

Estimated time to complete: 2 hours (if its the first time, the second speaker only took me 30 minutes since I had done all the experimenting with the first one).

Hope some of you find this helpful since I could have definitely used it before attempting to do it myself.
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Old 08-02-2014, 12:42 PM   #2
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Here is another option for you: http://www.subaruaudio.net/subaru-sp...acers/pricing/

Great writeup though. Thanks for taking the time to do it.
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Old 08-02-2014, 01:51 PM   #3
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Nice work, but I would expect the sound quality, especially midbass, will be lacking due to the lack of a proper seal. I would purchase the adapters from the link above and do it right otherwise you just burned money.
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Old 08-03-2014, 02:43 PM   #4
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I managed the same thing with the stock speakers cut out. The only issue I found is the speaker was being pushed into by the foam on the front door panels. I used a oscillating multi tool to cut out the outer perimeter and it worked perfect. A little sanding using the same tool and it looks nice and clean.


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U used the stock speakers as a template to make a trim ring out of HDPE (plastic cutting board material).

dannyboy, you definitely want to find a way to use more than 2 screws. You have the right idea, but need to finish up.
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Old 08-06-2014, 01:33 PM   #6
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This. You hacked up perfectly good stock speakers to save a few bucks. Now when you go to sell the car you have to leave aftermarket speakers in place- speakers that cost more than the proper adapters.
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Old 08-06-2014, 01:50 PM   #7
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This. You hacked up perfectly good stock speakers to save a few bucks. Now when you go to sell the car you have to leave aftermarket speakers in place- speakers that cost more than the proper adapters.
Nothing wrong with using the stock speakers as spacers (when done correctly). Throw away speakers are pretty cheap.

http://www.parts-express.com/grs-6as...4-ohm--292-456

http://www.parts-express.com/grs-1td...8-ohm--292-464
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Thanks.
This is for those people that went into the upgrade without knowing that the adapters were needed, or for those that do not want to pay $30 for 2 pieces of custom cut plastic (which is almost the cost of the new speakers).

The stock speakers were going on the garbage anyway since I would not go through the hassle of removing speakers prior to selling the car.

I tested with the rear doors and have had no issues so far, but I am hoping to implement on the front doors this weekend!
I will try to do what 2015WRX mentioned and completely cut out the outer perimeters for a better fit (and also 4 mounting screws).
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Old 08-06-2014, 03:21 PM   #9
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Nothing wrong with using the stock speakers as spacers (when done correctly). Throw away speakers are pretty cheap.

http://www.parts-express.com/grs-6as...4-ohm--292-456

http://www.parts-express.com/grs-1td...8-ohm--292-464
The throwaway speakers may not fit in the gutted factory speakers. Plus by going that route you have somehow taken arguably the WORST OEM system I have ever heard and made it worse by using $8 speakers. Congratulations- you made a Subaru stereo sound even worse- and you paid to do it.

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Old 08-06-2014, 03:25 PM   #10
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Thanks.
This is for those people that went into the upgrade without knowing that the adapters were needed, or for those that do not want to pay $30 for 2 pieces of custom cut plastic (which is almost the cost of the new speakers).
TS-A1685R are $52 a pair. $52 is not $30.

At any rate, it worked for you but some people prefer to do things right the first time. As noted by Stylistics18, there is no way that you have a solid seal between those Pioneers and the OEM rings- particularly not with only 2 screws at a difference of 100-120* apart. The remaining 2/3 of the speakers are unsupported and flapping in the wind.
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The throwaway speakers may not fit in the gutted factory speakers. Plus by going that route you have somehow taken arguably the WORST OEM system I have ever heard and made it worse by using $8 speakers. Congratulations- you made a Subaru stereo sound even worse- and you paid to do it.

does that matter when trading in/selling a vehicle? not to me.
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does that matter when trading in/selling a vehicle? not to me.
Don't let me be your conscience.
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This. You hacked up perfectly good stock speakers to save a few bucks. Now when you go to sell the car you have to leave aftermarket speakers in place- speakers that cost more than the proper adapters.
Honestly, when I sold my last car, I just left the aftermarket stereo in the car. The stereo was more than 5 years old and it was time for an update anyways.

I'm going to use those brackets when I do the stereo in my impreza for the convenience of it. He did all the measurements already, so i don't have to worry about that.

Honestly, I don't see a problem with do what he did as long as it was done right.

There is also a 3rd option here as well. You can make your own brackets instead of purchasing those pre-made or cutting up your stock speakers.
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There is also a 3rd option here as well. You can make your own brackets instead of purchasing those pre-made or cutting up your stock speakers.
There are instructions for doing that - as well as material suggestions- right on my website. That is how I came to make them in the first place.
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This is actually a very good idea as long as the speaker actually fits the stock ring correctly. I took my fronts out last night and was actually thinking about doing the same thing. My fronts are a little heavy, so I can't decide if I want to cut up the stock mounts or make something custom. The stock spacers have foam front and back and make a great seal to the door and speaker (assuming the new one fits). They are also angled up and back which makes a big difference in how well the speakers sound. The potential issues are that longer throw speakers may hit the door panel. Trimming the back of the panel may work depending on the speaker. The other potential issue is that the stock spacers don't have much mass and may vibrate. But you could always apply damping around the spacer overlapping onto the door.

Here's the front driver side from above, notice how much thinner the left side is:


Stock speaker next to something decent:



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Nice work, but I would expect the sound quality, especially midbass, will be lacking due to the lack of a proper seal. I would purchase the adapters from the link above and do it right otherwise you just burned money.
My 6 1/2 a/d/s line up nearly perfect and it looks like I can get all of the screws into the stock rings. The stock rings have foam front and back, so they seal to the door very well. The subaru audio spacers are nice, but they aren't angled which is a bummer. I may make some out of wood to get even more angle than the stock spacers. Despite what others say, wood holds up just fine if you prime/paint it.

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I installed the front speakers last night and I was able to screw the speakers in 3 locations using the stock mounts. It was a little more work since I had to cut out the top of the mount to make sure the speaker sat flush with the door (just like 2015WRX mentioned). Also kept the stock connector attached to the speaker mount so there was no need to cut any wires/connectors.

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The subaru audio spacers are nice, but they aren't angled which is a bummer. I may make some out of wood to get even more angle than the stock spacers. Despite what others say, wood holds up just fine if you prime/paint it.
So there is a fundamental flaw in this argument that flat spacers are "wrong" for the car. As has been noted MANY times (including by me), the angle of the stock speaker brackets is virtually (if not entirely) inconsequential.

First, let's look at the basics:

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Several of the reasons for using the stock brackets are flawed. While in THEORY it makes sense to angle the front speakers up, the reality is that with the the sound originating from that far down and that far back in the door cavity (yes, even with a spacer), that angle is completely inconsequential in how the sound travels to get to your ears. That 10-15* angle makes no difference in the grand scheme of things for a midrange and even coaxials really don't matter much- plus many (most?) coaxial have aim-able tweeters anyway.

Now, moving the speaker forward in the door cavity (closer to the inside of the door panel) IS beneficial because the driver has less of the cone area blocked by the door panel and more of the sound is projected into the cabin with less of it "lost" in the cavity between the door panel and the inner door skin. Some people take this one step further and make a seal (basically a cardboard or plastic/PVC "tunnel" with foam gaskets) to facilitate the sound being funneled into the cabin.

Anyway, all I am saying is that getting your speakers to fit is nice (for you) but most premium speakers would NOT work in deconstructed OEM brackets and it is real pisser to get the car apart and to NOT have the right wiring, brackets, hardware, etc. If you are going to do the job, IMO, it is best to do it right and not leave things to chance. My time has value and the whole reason that I started making brackets was that I spent time opening up the doors and went to install speakers only to realize that the stock brackets did not work, the (now-discontinued) Subaru-specific brackets that I bought were both the wrong cutout AND the wrong mounting pattern) and there was nothing else out there to allow me to mount my speakers other than making correct brackets.
Now, the kicker (no pun in tended)...the actual door panels.



SO let me get this straight...people are worried that the spacers don't angle up and in BUT THE DOOR PANELS ANGLE DOWN AND AWAY...hmmm- does anyone see irony here?
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It's not ironic, it's just wrong. 10-15 degrees can make a big difference in frequency response and imaging. It varies with every speaker, but yes it matters. You are correct that the door panel grills are not angled up and back, nor are they parallel with the stock speaker orientation. But they also aren't angled down and away. The picture doesn't really show it well, but the panels have a contoured shape due to the large cup holder opening next to the speaker. Nonetheless, the door panel grills are a thin layer of perforated plastic that are designed to be somewhat accoustically transparent. There is no way they are going to completely redirect all the sound as it passes through.
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Yeah thinking of upgrading my horrible sound system and horn. Should I upgrade the speakers or HU first? Thanks!
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Yeah thinking of upgrading my horrible sound system and horn. Should I upgrade the speakers or HU first? Thanks!
In the long run, really doesn't matter which you do first. Normally upgrading the HU first helps as you get rid of the factory EQ, but the hidden menu tricks do help to tame the factory HU.

I went with the HU first as I wanted to get navi and a better phone interface.

If your doing a full system, just do what ever your budget allows you to do first.
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In the long run, really doesn't matter which you do first. Normally upgrading the HU first helps as you get rid of the factory EQ, but the hidden menu tricks do help to tame the factory HU.

I went with the HU first as I wanted to get navi and a better phone interface.

If your doing a full system, just do what ever your budget allows you to do first.
What do you mean by hidden menu tricks?
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What do you mean by hidden menu tricks?
didnt read the FAQ section huh?
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What do you mean by hidden menu tricks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnYFs6OpGGs
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Thanks!
I will definitely give that a try to see if there is an improvement with the aftermarket speakers.
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I'd rather keep my stock speakers in the event i sell the car & want to remove my focals.

I have a set of IAPerformance.com speaker adapters from my bugeye that look like they might work on the 2015's. ANyone know if the speaker adapters from the 2002-2007 cars fit the 2015?

I'm still using the garbage factory system. I've yet to figure out what head unit I want since I'm getting a new phone soon. I want to be able to stream/mirror the GPS from my phone to a 7" screen and the pioneer NEX series is looking like the best bet so far but still not 100% sure.
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