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Old 04-22-2014, 04:43 PM   #1176
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I owned and had 450 awhp car before. Building a powerful car while being reliable was my dream when i was younger. Until after college, i had the chance to finally do it. I bought the car, drove it for a few years, saved the money, then did a lot of research to build it.

Before i knew it, one thing lead to another, and my money kept on being poured over the car. For a stock car 300hp that can easily go up to 310 awhp similar to STI. I wanted 450 awhp. I had to replace a lot of thing

Suspensions, clutch, flywheel, drive shaft, bearings, engine mounts, supporting mods, stand alone, tune, brakes, lines.....etc.

Took a while. After i was done with it, i already paid into it 18G...for the mods. Finally, i thought i was happy. Then i found out a stupid thing...the most stupid thing. I was so freaking scared of my car. Not just the speed, but the reliability factors. Litterally every pieces of it was after market, and the dealer no longer service it. Whenever i need it serviced beside oil change, i have to drive 2 hours away to that tuner shop to work on it. Beside that, it get from 0-60 in no time, and then 80-130 in seconds. I found no practical uses for it in normal driving. Also got a warning from a cop when i tried to merge on the highway did a fast pull from 30 to 75mph, and speed limit was 65. He could have given me a reckless driving ticket, but somehow he chose not to.

In the end, i asked myself again, what have i done. How am i going to enjoy the car ? I couldnt. Accelerate too fast can get me in trouble, driving too slow is a waste of 450 hp. I gave up, sold the car for 2/3 of what i put in. Never looked back.

Util now, i have always asked myself. What is the point of modding a car ? Track it ? it get more expensive. To express how cool you are ? Not much. Nowadays, i see modded cars, i see how wasteful it is. You will never recoupe what you put in, and you will have a hard time selling it for less.

So my conclusion is that you only mod a car when you have sponsor to go to show car, to show your skills, your taste, and not spending money while advertising your shop and crew. Beside that, the only other reason to mod a car is to race it in a track for a huge sum of money like the fast and furious movie. You can rent a track, gather your crew, qualify the drivers and cars, wage in bet for a sum of money, reward the winner. If you participate in events like that, yeah you can mod, if not...it is a waste of money.

I learn my lesson, for now i rather buy a brand new car with 300 hp to enjoy my DD, and even in the track 300hp is already a handful to toss around.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:06 PM   #1177
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So my conclusion is that you only mod a car when you have sponsor to go to show car, to show your skills, your taste, and not spending money while advertising your shop and crew. Beside that, the only other reason to mod a car is to race it in a track for a huge sum of money like the fast and furious movie. You can rent a track, gather your crew, qualify the drivers and cars, wage in bet for a sum of money, reward the winner. If you participate in events like that, yeah you can mod, if not...it is a waste of money.
Everytime you start to not sound as dumb, you say **** like this.
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Old 04-22-2014, 11:47 PM   #1178
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I owned and had 450 awhp car before. Building a powerful car while being reliable was my dream when i was younger. Until after college, i had the chance to finally do it. I bought the car, drove it for a few years, saved the money, then did a lot of research to build it.

Before i knew it, one thing lead to another, and my money kept on being poured over the car. For a stock car 300hp that can easily go up to 310 awhp similar to STI. I wanted 450 awhp. I had to replace a lot of thing

Suspensions, clutch, flywheel, drive shaft, bearings, engine mounts, supporting mods, stand alone, tune, brakes, lines.....etc.

Took a while. After i was done with it, i already paid into it 18G...for the mods. Finally, i thought i was happy. Then i found out a stupid thing...the most stupid thing. I was so freaking scared of my car. Not just the speed, but the reliability factors. Litterally every pieces of it was after market, and the dealer no longer service it. Whenever i need it serviced beside oil change, i have to drive 2 hours away to that tuner shop to work on it. Beside that, it get from 0-60 in no time, and then 80-130 in seconds. I found no practical uses for it in normal driving. Also got a warning from a cop when i tried to merge on the highway did a fast pull from 30 to 75mph, and speed limit was 65. He could have given me a reckless driving ticket, but somehow he chose not to.

In the end, i asked myself again, what have i done. How am i going to enjoy the car ? I couldnt. Accelerate too fast can get me in trouble, driving too slow is a waste of 450 hp. I gave up, sold the car for 2/3 of what i put in. Never looked back.

Util now, i have always asked myself. What is the point of modding a car ? Track it ? it get more expensive. To express how cool you are ? Not much. Nowadays, i see modded cars, i see how wasteful it is. You will never recoupe what you put in, and you will have a hard time selling it for less.

So my conclusion is that you only mod a car when you have sponsor to go to show car, to show your skills, your taste, and not spending money while advertising your shop and crew. Beside that, the only other reason to mod a car is to race it in a track for a huge sum of money like the fast and furious movie. You can rent a track, gather your crew, qualify the drivers and cars, wage in bet for a sum of money, reward the winner. If you participate in events like that, yeah you can mod, if not...it is a waste of money.

I learn my lesson, for now i rather buy a brand new car with 300 hp to enjoy my DD, and even in the track 300hp is already a handful to toss around.
I mean ferraris, mercedes amg, audi r/s, they all go 0-60 in 4.5 or less. The reason you mod a car is for fun!! you just gotta drive it safely. But man i would love to know a list of the mods you put in/the year/model i would love to hear as much info on your car as possible! that is my goal within the next 2 years. I have 2800 miles on it now just put a TBE and CAI getting my AP in a week. I'm going to wait a little for more but i am looking to put 15-20G into it to make the thing rip!! help me out.
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:27 AM   #1179
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I mean ferraris, mercedes amg, audi r/s, they all go 0-60 in 4.5 or less. The reason you mod a car is for fun!! you just gotta drive it safely. But man i would love to know a list of the mods you put in/the year/model i would love to hear as much info on your car as possible! that is my goal within the next 2 years. I have 2800 miles on it now just put a TBE and CAI getting my AP in a week. I'm going to wait a little for more but i am looking to put 15-20G into it to make the thing rip!! help me out.
Fun and drive Safely contradicts each other. Seriously, dont be mislead by the specifications numbers too much from different cars maker and platforms. The real thing you need to worry about is the driver. Otherwise everybody can seat on their butts, wasting money, talk numbers out of their mouths, while owning 400 awhp cars. 80% of them will be out done on the track by a stock STI with that 300hp

Therefore, you buy a car, drive every sweat out of it, until you feel like you can do better on the same track. Trade it in, buy a faster one.

But in reality, it is easier to toss money, and prove numbers on the dyno than the timer on the slip itself....
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Old 05-10-2014, 04:54 PM   #1180
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Another very good post. Thanks for sharing. High power equals high cost. Have you ever blown up a Cosworth build? Holy cow, it is pricey for those of you that don't know! My build cost a lot and when it dropped a valve, it cost a lot to fix and rebuild. I was stoked to see it last over a couple years, to be honest! It was built in 05' and failed last summer. Unless you got the money to do a true build I recommend staying closer to stock. And unless you gonna build a setup to handle that power, it is a dangerous situation, you can found yourself in. I know this, I was young once too!
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:41 PM   #1181
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I now know what the dealer told me isn't even close to the truth lol
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Old 05-24-2014, 05:19 PM   #1182
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Track day, auto cross, drag strip, then maybe think about 400 whp. People don't need as much as they think to move a car fast.
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Old 05-30-2014, 02:01 PM   #1183
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I have come to settle with the idea that as a speed fanatic it is best to have two cars.

1. Daily driver, 300BHP or less, stage 2 the most...Or even an accord or something for the wife or potential wife to manage.

2. A toy car, GC8 body maybe, roll cage, all the mods u can afford over time.

You drive the daily as it is meant to be, and drive the toy car at the track. When the engine blows you are not left without a car, and because you drive it at the track, you are less likely to kill anyone - including yourself.

I changed 2 engines on my DD car already, it's the only car I have and I hate being without it for the week and a half while it's at the shop.
Coming from a track event my crew and I (10+ cars) drove 2 hours within the sped limit until the last stretch before we got to our town. Even on that last stretch while everyone was going WOT I wasn't prepared to give it everything, knowing I spun bearing on that same hill.

It's not worth it, get two cars.
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:04 AM   #1184
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pretty nice little read. i think i only want like 350whp. 20G and injectors for me.
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Old 05-31-2014, 01:42 PM   #1185
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pretty nice little read. i think i only want like 350whp. 20G and injectors for me.
Good choice for stock location at that power. Smaller housings spool faster and lower boost threshold, way better for normal driving. Throw in a billet wheel and it's very close to stock except for the big surge of power lol
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:45 PM   #1186
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I totally agree that 400 WHP is a lot of power and that caution must be exercised. That said, I have a bit over 400 and it is tuned well. A clear head and good tires, suspension and a modicum of restraint with regards to read conditions are all that is needed to enjoy this type of output.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:52 PM   #1187
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Bump JMLegacy. Blowing up the daily driver is no fun. Even worse, I loaned car to an 18 yo friend of mine to take to prom as he didn't have a "nice" car. He blew the motor. I had to spend close to 9k on new short block and accoutrements. Car runs amazingly well now and feels great, but I'd rather have the old motor and the cash. Point being, built motors require restraint, proper warm-up and respect and are more expensive to feed and maintain than stock - and a stock STI is PLENTY of fun.
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Old 06-21-2014, 02:25 AM   #1188
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I feel like most people wish that they had the 400+ whp. I did at one point and it wasn't until I smartened up, and did the math of how much it would actually cost to bring me there, that I realized it may not be the best thing for me. I still would like more power from my car like anybody else, but I think I will shoot for 325 to the wheels as the ultimate final goal. Been in one and it is more than enough to put a huge grin on my face, and to surprise the people with a sleeper

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Old 06-25-2014, 08:06 PM   #1189
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:54 PM   #1190
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Old 07-31-2014, 07:24 PM   #1191
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Nice write up
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Old 08-16-2014, 02:11 PM   #1192
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we bought a new '14 WRX wight he goal of modding it in stages (giving us a chance to get used to it each step of the way). we didn't have much of an end goal. but, reading through this, i'm thinking 325-350 whp is where we'll aim.
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Old 08-17-2014, 06:31 PM   #1193
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definitely a good read
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:07 PM   #1194
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Great read! Thanks
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Old 08-20-2014, 03:18 PM   #1195
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thank you
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:35 AM   #1196
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my STI has over 600 HP and ever since I crossed 400 it has been nothing but a headache. Stay below 400.
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Old 09-13-2014, 10:58 AM   #1197
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I wanted 400hp so I bought a 03 cobra lol. Things a straight beast and can't wait for the spring to do a pulley swap and port the blower to be around 500whp!
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:33 PM   #1198
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nice write up, some good warnings haha. Just finished a 6 speed swap with a vf-39 turbo into a 02 bugeye, lets just not not to cheap at all and now looking for a tuner.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:22 PM   #1199
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Well said indeed. 400whp is a scary amount for public roads, and it takes deeply ascetic disciplines and grueling hours of track experience for a man to daily drive such a car.
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Old 10-08-2014, 12:31 AM   #1200
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I just got a WRX after wanting one since I was 18. I'm 29 now and am glad it took me so long to get one because I would have put tons of money into a WRX when I was younger. Now I am completely happy with the stock power (coming from a focus), I just want to smooth out the power a bit and try to keep my car as reliable as possible (kinda freaked out about ringland failure after reading too many stories). Probably just stay stock until the warranty is up and then go AP stage 1.
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