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Old 12-23-2000, 03:33 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Just drove the LL Bean Outback H6

I'm still a little excited so forgive the typos and lack of detailed observation on my part.

I have owned an 1999 RS with a 5spd, and now a 2001 Forester with an auto, so I'm sorry to say that a bunch of old people with H6 Outbacks are going to tear our 2.5L engines a new one regardless of the type of tranny.

I just drove the LL Bean edition Outback. First thing I noticed was the leather or fake leather everywhere. It had a brown wood trim Momo wheel that looked just like the WRX ones. Climate control (finally) which was a little confusing to figure out and heated seats that were nice since it was -1 degrees.

I know I know, get to the H6!!! I let it warm up and took it for a spin down some city and gravel roads. Don't worry all you new car buyers, I didn't abuse it, well except this one time but I had to know. I think most of us would have tried it once. I found a spot on a gravel road, stopped and put it to the floor. Wow!!!!! I'm sorry but my 5spd RS could not compared to this H6 with an automatic in acceleration. I had hardly any wheel spin(duh, AWD!) but I hit 70 mph before I knew it in a very short distance. I couldn't keep from smiling. All I could say to the saleswoman, is I want the engine...don't like the car, want the engine....

Unfortunately, it's still an Outback and I don't care for the interior or the power seats because I feel cramped in them. I was told that the H6 might be available in the 2002 or 2003 Forester. As much as I wanted the new WRX, I think I'm going to wait for the H6 Forester.

Don't take my word for it, go drive one...that extra 50 or so hp and torque makes a huge difference.

Also, they had the VSD model, but you can't disable the VSD system. I would only consider it if I could. Not that I'm a great driver, but how much do you want you car to drive for you. Kinda creepy. Besides, I bet it won't let you mess around in the snow.

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[This message has been edited by FargoRS (edited December 23, 2000).]
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Old 12-23-2000, 03:40 PM   #2
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I'm thinking: "engine swap possibilities"
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Old 12-23-2000, 04:47 PM   #3
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Cool..but if youre gonna wait..why not get the WRX? do you really need the utility of a wagon/mini SUV? Because H-6 or not, the WRX is going to be faster, lighter , better handling (and 5 speed!)

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Old 12-23-2000, 06:05 PM   #4
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"do you really need the utility of a wagon/mini SUV?"

Yes..that's why I traded my RS for a Forester. I always wanted a WRX, but I'm not happy with the new design. I can live with a fast Forester that can still tow my dirt bike and go offroad.

"Because H-6 or not, the WRX is going to be faster, lighter , better handling (and 5 speed!)"

That goes without saying..but if you miss a shift, I might make you work for it :P

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Old 12-23-2000, 06:13 PM   #5
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Uhmmmmmmmm, Fargo... Two words for you:

WRX Wagon!

Unless you haul a lot of stuff around in the Forester, the WRX Wagon will give you the engine and drivetrain of the WRX with a whole lotta seating and cargo capacity.

And the WRX Wagon would be as capable of going offroad as a Forester. Come on now, unless you're doing some serious rock crawling, which is the domain of the solid axle Jeeps and Land Rovers and so forth, a WRX is just as capable as a Forester.
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Old 12-23-2000, 07:19 PM   #6
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Heh, well if anyone wants to supply me with the parts and the car I will build them a H6 powered subaru for cheap.

I already have one built....

I think somone needs to get a 85 DL wagon and put in a Ez-30 with a GT-B driveline. Throw on a pair of VF-22's for a little extra power. Oh and 16 steel wheels to keep it looking like a POC DL. I think the Dl wagon is around or under 2,500lbs. Pull the PS (if they came with it), and A/C for real lightwieght fun.
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Old 12-25-2000, 12:13 AM   #7
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To Digital Boy in SD,

I lived in Chula Vista for 18 years and rode all the cool spots in SD before they were developed with houses: Palm Ave, Proctor Valley, Otay Mesa, and even Glamis Desert a few times. I think I know what I need to get my Thumper to a nice riding spot. But that's your first clue, I like Thumpers more than two strokes so I'll probably be happier with a 3.0 H6 than a 2.0 H4 Turbo.

I'll I'm saying in my post is that the H6 is fast, even in that Outback tank. It's here now and I drove one :P My butt dyno tells me it will spank a 2.5L RS with a 5spd. I think the WRX sedan and wagon will rock! But I reserve judgement till I drive one. I just don't like the body style and would rather have the larger displacement engine.

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Old 12-25-2000, 04:27 PM   #8
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does anyone think that the H6 will become an option for the impreza some time... SOA has gotta know that they'd sell like nobody's business.
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Old 12-25-2000, 05:06 PM   #9
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An impreza with the h6 engine would be almost as expensive as a WRX right? The only reason i would think is that americans usually prefer bigger displacement n/a engines instead of small turbocharged engines...

for me , give me the lighter one
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Old 12-25-2000, 09:36 PM   #10
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Well The Forester is getting the H6 that close enough for you? No H6 impreza will ever be built as there is no point. Would you spend a couple million certifing the H6 in the impreza, when you already have the same power out of the Turbo-4? SOA sure as hell won't.
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Old 12-26-2000, 09:38 AM   #11
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Anyone besides me want to see an H6 Legacy GT?
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Old 12-26-2000, 09:54 AM   #12
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The H6 engine will bolt right into the impreza, guys. The block is 0.8" longer and the mounting points are all the same. Don't know what you would do about the tranny, though.
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Old 12-26-2000, 11:01 AM   #13
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a manual tranny legacy GT sedan would be the SH|T!

Or one with the WRX engine! HOT DAMN it would kick ass
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Old 12-26-2000, 01:32 PM   #14
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I know the H6 is only as powerful as the 4 turbo.. but think of the H6 turbo!!!!
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Old 12-26-2000, 01:37 PM   #15
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Don't just think of the H6 turbo, go to the SVX forum and see one.

Freshly installed, there are now 2 turbocharged SVXs.
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Old 12-26-2000, 01:44 PM   #16
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woah mamma!!
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Old 12-27-2000, 12:11 AM   #17
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Too bad a H6 will probably only work well in a hatchback/wagon due to balance of the car(meaning the forester and legacy wagon).
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Old 12-27-2000, 06:00 AM   #18
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I'm DESPERATELY hoping that the H6 makes it into the Legacy! I can't stand the look of the new WRX either!
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Old 12-27-2000, 06:26 AM   #19
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The last one of my car magazines (C&D?) had a soso review of the Outback H6. IIRC, they stated, "2001 engine, 1990's car."

They didn't seem to think it was that fast, but admitted it was a great improvement over the 2.5. In their opinion, the car was overweight, and overpriced.

They are probably right.
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Old 12-27-2000, 07:47 AM   #20
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The guys at C&D aren't going to think a station wagan is fast after test driving a Viper the day before

After owning a 1999 RS w/5spd, a 2001 Forester w/auto, and driving a 1999 Legacy GT w/auto, and I can assure you that the H6 with an auto tranny moves out nicely. With a 5spd it would rock!!! Why an ugly Outback first???? Perfect motor for a Legacy GT

Now it's time to go to the Audi dealer and test drive that new 250hp Bi-turbo wagon..that thing looks very impressive up close.

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Old 12-27-2000, 08:14 AM   #21
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Edmunds review on the 2001 Outback has some specs and info on the H6.
http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/cook/ou...utback.fd.html

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Old 12-27-2000, 08:52 AM   #22
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The last one of my car magazines (C&D?) had a soso review of the Outback H6. IIRC, they stated, "2001
engine, 1990's car."

Man, that's a cheap shot. I mean the 3rd gen. Legacies have the ring-chasis design & multi-link suspensions. Should be a great combination of chasis rigidity and smooth handling that's way better than any car from the 90s. Probably a nicer/stiffer chasis than the new Passats too.
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Old 12-27-2000, 09:19 AM   #23
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I stopped subcribing to C&D a long time ago. They are fun to read but I wouldn't take their opinion too seriously. After all, they rated the RS near the end of the pack when they compared the sport coupes, and they chose the M3 over the 22B even though the 22B will dust the M3 in any situation, wet or dry. I think they are largely bias, well at least that's opinion.
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Old 12-27-2000, 09:39 AM   #24
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I agree that C&D gave a cheap shot with the "90's car" comment. They did not even review the technology in the VDC or AWD system.

What do you bet that when they gush over the WRX, they will talk volumes about the state of the art technology?

BUT, cheap shots aside, they are usually right on the money with their assessment of cars. They generally do a good job comparing cars in the same genre, and have a decided bend towards enthusiast's automobiles. It would be nice if they reviewed more Subies, but that will change soon.

Anyway, the subscription is a buck a month - so I read the articles that interest me, and then chuck it. Not like EVO, where I pay about $8/issue and read it cover to cover.
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Old 12-27-2000, 09:47 AM   #25
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slamck - I agree that the M3 vs. WRX was BS. They are so biased towards BMW that I laughed out loud when I read that article. Was that supposed to be journalism?
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