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Old 02-15-2005, 08:00 PM   #1
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Exclamation Questions we cannot answer on NASIOC

The following are questions we cannot answer on NASIOC and the reasons why:

Car insurance questions of any type. Car insurance is metered via the state, city, car year, car model, car trim level, car modifications, driving record, amount of drivers, drivers' age, drivers' marital status, car use, driving record of users, and about 99 other things. All of these components are crunched by the 10,000 different auto insurers to give you 10,000 different quotes. If you have a question, please contact your insurance company or seek quotes. My insurance rates have zero to do with what you will pay and wont be in the same neighborhood, ballpark, or galaxy as yours.

Want a quote that means a crap? Visit one of these online calculators:

www.geico.com
www.progressive.com
www.allstate.com
www.statefarm.com
www.farmers.com
www.libertymutual.com (mention key code SBUDR4 for Subaru only discount)
www.usaa.com

How much to fix my damaged Subaru questions. Posting pics for sympathy is fine. Asking people how much to fix will net you 12,000 guesses. You don't get a diagnosis for cancer online and the same rules apply with car damage. This sounds mean spirited, but it is honestly true.

Where is the cheapest place to buy XXX part questions. This isn't slickdeals or froogle. Use the Car Parts Wanted forum or comparison shop through our NASIOC Vendors.

Is my car totaled questions. Pretty much the same as above. Most insurance companies will only total your car if the damage is 75% of the value. This figure varies with each company. Looks account for nothing, having your car totaled is a question of the damage limit or percentage for each particular insurance company. If your car is bent like a banana and they can straighten it under the limit, your car is NOT totaled. If the police officer, your cousin Earl, or the tow truck driver Ted says it's likely to be totaled, that means ZERO to your insurance company.

How much for XXX maintenance or XXX mechanical repair questions. If you need a new water pump and get quoted $XXX and it seems too much, call another service station or two. Someone in Wyoming has no idea of the labor rate in California or Maryland. Labor rates vary state to state, so if you suspect that the dealer or your local service station is overcharging you, get another estimate. If after obtaining a few estimates, they still seem high, you need to change your mental opinion as to what is a fair price for the job.

Also, have the dealer or service station explain the charges to you. For example, your dealer may quote you $300 to replace a torn CV boot, while your neighborhood service station may quote you $150. You may think, "My dealer is ripping me off". In all actuality, the dealer is charging you to remove and replace the entire axle as opposed to the boot. The reason for this is that in most cases, replacing just the CV boot will require a new axle anyway at some point in the near future. The dealer is performing an extra service that will save you money down the road. Using this new-found knowledge, you can decide if this is the correct course of action or just have them just replace the CV boot alone now for near the price of the other quote. This practice of performing extra services is actually quite common for many items. A more famous example for maintenance is replacing the water pump during a timing belt change. Sure it's not technically needed, but it may save you money in the long run.

With regard to maintenance items, dealerships are famous for adding things to maintenance schedules or recommending or "requiring" extra maintenance. View this SOA webpage and have your dealer or other service station perform what is on the list for your year/make/model. This list is the latest information possible and usurps ALL other documentation including your owner's manual.

How much should I pay for my Subaru? We live in a fair market economy. This means that Bob in Texas and Jan in Indiana buying the same car will not pay the same price. This is further complicated by the fact that Bob has a $2000 down payment, a $1500 trade-in, got to use $1500 incentives in March, pays 4.5% tax, his license is $625, and handling and associated fees in the amount of $725. Jan has a $4500 down payment, no trade-in, got to use $2000 incentives in April, pays 3% tax, her license is $411, and handling and associated fees in the amount of $895.

Even with these complications, let's say that you find out that Bob paid $22,000 and Jan paid $22,500 for a 2005 WRX with no options just like you want. Does this mean you will pay between $22K and $22.5K? No. Aside from state taxes, state fees, incentives, and other state and monthly variables, it all boils down to supply and demand. While $22.5K is fine at dealership A, dealership b may take no less than $23.5K.

Always remember: people tend to downplay their paid price to make them seem to be a crafty bargainer for some reason. Their "out the door price" they quote you is almost always missing taxes, trade-in credit, down payment, incentives, etc.

Further car buying help:
1. The Subaru VIP Program will allow you to purchase a new Subaru at dealer invoice. Some can even do better than this by utilizing bargaining techniques and dealer incentives though.
2. There are also many internet routes to obtain a Subaru with the least amount of markup. Search for "car buying tips" on your favorite search engine and you will find plenty of advice.
3. This post contains help as well.

What options should I get on my Subaru questions. This is a question of opinion and will result in a flood of opinions. The question of options is too personal to answer. For example, some like the extended arm rest and others find it interferes with their shifting. Options for the most part, a personal item. Go to your dealer and view/see/feel all the options, even if they aren't on "your" car and decide for yourself.

Will XXX look good on my car questions. Exterior modifications to your vehicle are a matter of personal taste. If you want opinions, the best place to ask would be in the Interior & Exterior Modification & Care Forum. That being said, there is no right answer and be 100% prepared for negative opinions. It all boils down to you and what you like.

My Check Engine Light is on, what is wrong type questions. Any question related to a CEL is worthless unless you list your car type and the PXXXX CEL code. Without both pieces of information you won't get a straight answer. Listing your modifications and the time line between your last mod(s) and the new CEL helps too.

Will car X (with mods y and z) beat my car in a race or from a roll type questions. This type of question is called "bench racing". Go to a track and find out. 95% of racing is the driver. Yes, a WRX can beat a Ferrari Enzo depending on who is driving and that aint no joke. Bench racing is all theory, buy theories don't win bragging rights or trophies.

Will I pass emissions with XXXXX exhaust work? Every state/area has different standards and no one can say for 100% sure if you will or will not pass. Your best bet is to err on the side of caution and use a fully catted exhaust in an area that does testing or use a set up that you can swap out for emissions testing when that time comes. Most testing facilities can do a "check" as opposed to a test, which will give you your answer without red flagging your VIN to the state.

I got a ticket for XXX offense, what should I do? If you follow the advice of someone with the same offense, in the same state, in the same court, with the same judge, this still does not guarantee the same results. Show up to court on time, dress conservatively, logically plea your case, take any state approved driver improvement courses prior to the court date, and it never hurts to hire an inexpensive traffic attorney.

Will XXX modification void my warranty? The ONLY ways you can void your warranty are to remove your vehicle outside the United States states or odometer tampering. That's it, nothing else will void your warranty. Modifying your vehicle can impact warranty service on specific components. For example, if you add a boost controller and you have a transmission problem, there is/can be a case for a cause/effect to deny warranty service on your transmission. Will they still have to fix your broken power window? Yes. Will they fix your transmission? No. The determination on what warranty issues get resolved gets made by each regional SOA representative. This means that Bill in Tampa and Steve in Chicago may get polar opposite results with 100% identical mods. Fair? No, but that's what happens with human nature. Want 100% warranty resolution 100% of the time? Keep your car 100% stock.

I am going for a tune with XXX mods, what will my WHP be? Let's follow the chain of factors: your tuner's ability, the type/condition of your spark plugs, your fuel octane, the temperature, the elevation, the humidity, the dyno SAE correction factor, the dyno type, whether it's a loading dyno or not, your mods, whether your mods are working properly or not. Let's say Timmy in Colorado says you should get 240 WHP with those mods and your session in Califiornia nets you 210WHP. Guess what? 210 WHP is all you are ever going to get and second guessing the tuner seems to be your only alternative when in fact you should second guess all the factors above as they all play a roll. The fact is your WHP figures are your WHP figures and there is not such thing as average when it comes to dyno figures except for possibly 100% stock vehicles.

I am going to the track with XXX mods, what will my 1/4 mile time be? Very similar to the dyno question above. What type/pressure tires are you running, whether you run through the water box, how much experience you have, where and how you launch, your gearset, your final drive, the temperature, humidity, elevation, mods, and tune are all variables. The biggest variable is the driver as if you use the same car with 10 different drivers, you will end up seeing 10 different times with a band of times about 3 seconds wide or worse. What Joe in Alaska runs with identical mods bears nothing on how you will run in Phoenix as even if you flew Joe in to drive your car, he still wouldn't have the same times as he had in Alaska.

What turbo do I have? The only surefire method of finding out what turbo you have is to pay for an inspection at a reputable turbo shop such as Forced Performance or Blouch. It should run under $100 and while they are in there, they can tell you what it is and if it's good or needs a rebuild, new seals, etc. to run right/better.

But I posted excellent pics of the turbo wheels and included all the shots of the exterior markings on my turbo! Sweet, your thread still got locked because you didn't read the question above. Exterior markings mean zero as the internals can be changed and one cannot measure pictures with a caliper which is what is needed to determine what is inside.

Anyone else have anything that is unanswerable?
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:03 PM   #2
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:05 PM   #3
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Man, it's about time. I think these questions are starting to beat the BOV ones.

Good work as usual, unabomber.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:05 PM   #4
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who is this we you speak of
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:06 PM   #5
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Will car X (with mods y and z) beat my car in a race? From a roll?
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:15 PM   #6
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Might want to title this thread a little better, unabomber. Maybe something like "Buying/Insuring/Fixing a Subaru? Read this first" and then sticky it. That way, people may think to look here first before they start asking. Then again, the newbs rarely read stickies anyway.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:20 PM   #7
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Quote:
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Will car X (with mods y and z) beat my car in a race? From a roll?
If car X is an SRT-4, nevAr!
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:23 PM   #8
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awesome work again Una!
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:37 PM   #9
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I hope a lot of newcomers read this. Very good post.

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Old 02-15-2005, 08:42 PM   #10
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Sticky!
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:43 PM   #11
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Quote:
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Will car X (with mods y and z) beat my car in a race? From a roll?
lol!!
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:44 PM   #12
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Good info
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:54 PM   #13
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:11 PM   #14
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I would add the "'what wheel/grill/hood/etc looks best on my car?"
Those are personal choice questions. If there was one answer, we would all have the exact same wheels, etc.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:19 PM   #15
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You forgot to add
"My check engine light is on..what does that mean/what could be wrong?"
(meant for people who don't get the code(s) pulled and want answers pulled from the air)
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:24 PM   #16
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Oh! OH! How about -

Why is the sky blue? Nah... too obvious. How about this one - Do cats get boogers? Nah... I can check the cat for that one. Let me think about it, and I'm sure I can come up with a question that nasioc cannot answer.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:30 PM   #17
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Quote:
Always remember: people tend to downplay their paid price to make them seem to be a crafty bargainer for some reason. Their "out the door price" they quote you is almost always missing taxes, trade-in credit, down payment, incentives, etc.
This is so true, I was thinking the same thing today. People are always like I got my 05 sti for an out the door price of 26k and I got the dealer to throw in a blah blah blah. Come on guys you don't have to exagerate you payed 500-1000 over invoice like the rest of us.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:32 PM   #18
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It seems my post has stirred up a hornet's nest of positive responses.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:41 PM   #19
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Quote:
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It seems my post has stirred up a hornet's nest of positive responses.
well, in that case...

No, it's not true, nabisco is god, nabisco is all knowing, nabisco knows what I had for dinner this morning, so of course they know what's wrong with my car when my CEL turned on this morning!!!!!

(sidenote, I just realized I said "dinner this morning" )
(good post).
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:41 PM   #20
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Sticky!
I concur, sir.
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:14 PM   #21
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Have to add "IS THE STI SPOILER FUNCTIONAL OR JUST FOR LOOKS"
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:23 PM   #22
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I think we should add:

Evo VIII (or IX) vs. STi? Or which is better? Or which one should I buy?

Great job Unabomber!
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:38 PM   #23
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Sticky!
sticky icky!
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:14 AM   #24
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Excellent.
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:20 AM   #25
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