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Old 05-13-2005, 10:32 PM   #1
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OMGHi2U Dyno'd my stock turbo car :rolleyes: 246WHP :eek:



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NGK Laser Platinum 1 step colder gapped to .030
Ecutek Reflash by Clark of Kingpin Performance

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Dyno: DynoJet (Stock WRXs see 160-165WHP on this particular dyno)
Temperature: 90 degrees
Humidity: 8%
Pressure: 28.85 in-Hg
Altitude: 400 meters
Gas used: 93 octane
Turbo PSI: 16-16.5 PSI

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After a long time of happy Cobb Stage 2 ownership, my first dyno day showed me that going outside of Cobb's recommendations feels good on the butt dyno, but sucks on the real dyno. For this I take 100% responsibility and would still recommend their stuff to anyone as long as they aren't an idiot like I was. Previous dyno sheets for the same mods with Cobb Stage 2 were 224HP/224TQ on another DynoJet.

So I converted to EcuTek and heard some good stuff about this guy named Clark. I met up with him today and told him my goal was ~250HP. He looked at me as if I had 2 heads and the conversation dwindled to suppositions of 210-220HP. He was shocked that pull #1 with the stock ECU netted this. After that, it was all smiles for both of us. He was also surprised to see that my car experienced zero knock/pinging/detonation anywhere or anytime. He said that every Subaru does this at some point on the dyno and mine doesn't for some reason. I assume that's a good thing, as I don't know poop about tuning. :shrug:

My thanks to the wonderful folks at Arizona Dyno Chip for their dyno use, and to Clark of Kingpin Performance for his tuning.

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Reflashed Max TQ plot
Stock ECU + mods with Reflashed Max HP plot
Stock ECU + mods with Reflashed Max TQ plot
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:40 PM   #2
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Looks great! Must be a huge improvement over your previous Cobb setup. Don’t let them get you down and stick to your guns about the tune. I put down 256whp on the stock turbo and injectors with not nearly the mods you got, so the power is there if you can unleash it…

I imagine for a Dynojet, this has got to be one of the higher numbers for a stock turbo setup..

Very nice…
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:48 PM   #3
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You car puts down some good numbers and becomes fun to drive at 3000 RPM. Are your headers wrapped too?

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Old 05-13-2005, 10:54 PM   #4
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Nice Unabomber, NICE!!

stock turbo FOREVER~!~~~~
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:56 PM   #5
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xcntrk75, I think those are the highest DynoJet numbers evAr. Glad to see the Mid-A crew is rockin' great stock turbo numbers.

Full_Clip, nope. They come ceramic coated on the outside from the factory. That was good enough for me and they still look day one brand new after over a year. Other than some gunk around the flanges, they still bling like crazy.
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Old 05-13-2005, 11:08 PM   #6
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Ron, your car is incredible!
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Old 05-14-2005, 12:05 AM   #7
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Thats a nice bump up from your previous numbers.
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Old 05-14-2005, 12:06 AM   #8
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I wish my old stage 2 rocked that hard.... a stock turbo that pulls to redline... nice man
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Old 05-14-2005, 12:31 AM   #9
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U living in Az now?
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Old 05-14-2005, 03:28 AM   #10
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IBTL b/c Dynojet sucks...

(I hope Unabomber locks this thread b/c he is the lock nazi)
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Old 05-14-2005, 08:02 AM   #11
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WOW! Very nice Ron.

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Old 05-14-2005, 09:36 AM   #12
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Nice. I suspect the TB bypass is worth 20 of that HP
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Nice numbers... but I am wondering, why didnt you hold out for the Protuner release from COBB?
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Here's a VF22 on 91

Your numbers are great.
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Old 05-14-2005, 01:11 PM   #15
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Nice numbers, not exactly stock turbo though.
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Old 05-14-2005, 02:48 PM   #16
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I'm currently stationed in San Diego for school until July. I'm active duty Navy, so I go where they tell me! Since I was in the "area", I decided that Clark would be the man to go with.

As to why I didn't get the tuner from Cobb, it would have been too much. $400 + dyno time + tuner's time = MUCH more than an EcuTek reflash. For people that mod like crazy, this might be an option. For people that want/can do their own tuning, this might be an option. For me....I am 95% done with my car and wanted a good tune with lots of power and lots of safety. Clark, bless his heart, did that for me and in the process, save me a boatload of cash. With Baby Unabomber on the way, I need it.

CMJ, your post makes me want to Photoshop an OWN3D pic.

While it may not be 100% stock, the internals are all 100% stock with no wheel swapping or clipping.
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nice but thats still a kiddie 2.0 motor step up to teh 2.5 big boy
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Old 05-14-2005, 08:11 PM   #18
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That's a pretty nice powerband you've got there.

Kiddie motor...
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Tom, I thought we were pals.
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Tom, I thought we were pals.

and i thought you were "Big Ron" Tee Hee

did you ever use the toluline for the drive out there?

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What do you mean by going outside of Cobb's recommendation? Can you elaborate on this as I have exact same mods as your previous set up with AP stage 2 minus JDM I/C and other stuff like ported and heat wrapped turbo.
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Congrats I’m glad that everything worked out for you and that you’re enjoying your new tune…when are you going to let me drive it? I’m even happier that you decided not to try and jump that median around the corner from my house. I’m not sure how Mrs. Unabomber would have taken it.
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Old 05-15-2005, 05:49 AM   #23
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very nice numbers you got there unabomber. I plan on getting my wagon dyno tuned this summer.

what are your impressions of your new tune vs old cobb map?
and are you planning on doing any more power mods after this?or are you done?

congrats!
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Quote:
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I'm currently stationed in San Diego for school until July. I'm active duty Navy, so I go where they tell me! Since I was in the "area", I decided that Clark would be the man to go with.

As to why I didn't get the tuner from Cobb, it would have been too much. $400 + dyno time + tuner's time = MUCH more than an EcuTek reflash. For people that mod like crazy, this might be an option. For people that want/can do their own tuning, this might be an option. For me....I am 95% done with my car and wanted a good tune with lots of power and lots of safety. Clark, bless his heart, did that for me and in the process, save me a boatload of cash. With Baby Unabomber on the way, I need it.

CMJ, your post makes me want to Photoshop an OWN3D pic.

While it may not be 100% stock, the internals are all 100% stock with no wheel swapping or clipping.
I dont mean street tuner... I mean the protuner. For Protuning all you do is bring your COBB AP to a tuner that has the PROTUNER software and then they can custom tune your car at whatever normal tuning costs would be.

I know they are only beta testing it now... but soon it will be out everywhere and so far it is getting great reviews.

Just curious, thanks.
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I drove on straight 91 and added Xylene just prior to the tune as that's all they had at Home Depot.

Cobb only recommends a full TBE with their stage 2. Yes, you can add bits here and there and it will be "fine", but when you slap a bunch of stuff on, you enter the realm of diminishing returns.

The best way I can explain the difference is this: Remember how happy you were when you first installed your AccessPort? It's like having an AccessPort and then installing ANOTHER AccessPort on top of it. Dyno numbers are nice, but driving the car is a whole other story. I mostly find myself spending less time on the gas than I did before. This is because the new found power is literally scary. I give it gas, think WHOA, and then back off. First and Second gear are MUCH improved over the AccessPort. Fifth gear is now a pulling/power gear, which it never was before. I'm afraid for my gears now.

As to future mods, I have a set of TGVs sitting in my garage back home that will be ported and probably go in this summer. Other than that, I'm probably done.

I could have gone the Tuner route, but it will probably be 20 years before that's online. Besides, the software is only as good as it's tuner and I'd kick my own ass if I didn't take the opportunity to have Clark tune my car.
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