Hiroshima 64 years ago

XROLLER · 08-06-2009, 10:29 AM

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...years_ago.html

some photos...

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Kaiser · 08-06-2009, 10:31 AM

Ok horrific.

ZMANNH25rs · 08-06-2009, 10:34 AM

I understand in part the necessity for doing this, but what a horrible part of our history...

Brock31 · 08-06-2009, 10:35 AM

My God! It looks like a nuclear bomb hit that place or something

Kaiser · 08-06-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ZMANNH25rs

I understand in part the necessity for doing this, but what a horrible part of our history...

It really is. That's apparently what it takes to end a world war.

CincinnatiKid · 08-06-2009, 10:36 AM

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a small explosive initiated a super-critical mass in 64 kg (141 lbs) of uranium. Of that 64 kg, only .7 kg (1.5 lbs) underwent fission, and of that mass, only 600 milligrams was converted into energy

ok, what if all 141lbs underwent fission?

XROLLER · 08-06-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CincinnatiKid

ok, what if all 141lbs underwent fission?

that's what i'm saying....

Wagon Of Fury · 08-06-2009, 10:42 AM

Somebody set them up the bomb.

ZMANNH25rs · 08-06-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaiser

It really is. That's apparently what it takes to end a world war.

and prevent any others from starting. A lot of people think that by dropping these bombs on Japan and showing the true power of nuclear weapons it really has kept the world at a relative peace over the last 50-60 years...

Kaiser · 08-06-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CincinnatiKid

ok, what if all 141lbs underwent fission?

The Earth would explode?

Based on that Discovery or History Channel special last year, it seems like a lot of the early atom bomb tests were done with the scientists crossing their fingers. They didn't really know what the hell would happen.

Matt A · 08-06-2009, 10:48 AM

yeah... but its pretty ****ed up that we had to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians to 'keep the peace'

roksax · 08-06-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CincinnatiKid

ok, what if all 141lbs underwent fission?

A lot more damage.

The hiroshima bomb was just a wee little nuclear bomb. The average US nuclear weapon today is between 10 and 100 times more powerful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

0BLUEWRX3 · 08-06-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt A

yeah... but its pretty ****ed up that we had to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians to 'keep the peace'

They didn't seem to have a problem murdering the ones they did when they hit Pearl Harbor.

greenman · 08-06-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaiser

It really is. That's apparently what it takes to end a world war.

Or maybe if we dropped millions of pounds of weed on the city...chill them out a bit and hopefully they'll think: Hey, maybe the merikans aren't so bad after all.

I25 · 08-06-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt A

yeah... but its pretty ****ed up that we had to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians to 'keep the peace'

The lost of those thousands is nothing compared to what the Japanese did to the civilians they captured, tortured, experimented on, and then killed.

Not saying it was right on our part, but they cant be all bitchy.

Matt A · 08-06-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 0BLUEWRX3

They didn't seem to have a problem murdering the ones they did when they hit Pearl Harbor.

Pearl Harbor = military base and they attacked Navy ships.

Hiroshima = civilian city targeted for its terrain and how easy it would be to survey the damage.

FiveDoorSVT · 08-06-2009, 10:59 AM

For some reason this question popped into my head a few days ago.

The attack on Pearl Harbor is considered a national tragedy...'A day that will live in infamy'. A surprise, unprovoked attack on a US military base that started our war with Japan. What do the Japanese call the 2 A-Bomb drops? Two bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Did they have any advance notice about the bombings, or were they a surprise, too?

I'm not arguing whether the atomic option was necessary, they had the desired effect on the Japanese. But if a few thousand soldiers killed on a naval base is a national tragedy, how do they feel about the actions of the US at the end?

greenman · 08-06-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 0BLUEWRX3

They didn't seem to have a problem murdering the ones they did when they hit Pearl Harbor.

Let's not forget Nagasaki

Bokuden · 08-06-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt A

Pearl Harbor = military base and they attacked Navy ships.

Hiroshima = civilian city targeted for its terrain and how easy it would be to survey the damage.

And what would you call the Rape of Nanking?

Rogga · 08-06-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt A

Pearl Harbor = military base and they attacked Navy ships.

Hiroshima = civilian city targeted for its terrain and how easy it would be to survey the damage.

The Japanese committed zero atrocities to eastern Asia and its civilians. None.

roksax · 08-06-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FiveDoorSVT

For some reason this question popped into my head a few days ago.

The attack on Pearl Harbor is considered a national tragedy...'A day that will live in infamy'. A surprise, unprovoked attack on a US military base that started our war with Japan. What do the Japanese call the 2 A-Bomb drops? Two bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Did they have any advance notice about the bombings, or were they a surprise, too?

I'm not arguing whether the atomic option was necessary, they had the desired effect on the Japanese. But if a few thousand soldiers killed on a naval base is a national tragedy, how do they feel about the actions of the US at the end?

Truman urged Japan to surrender before the bomb was dropped, but they refused.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/truman/...s_warning.html

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The British, Chinese, and United States Governments have given the Japanese people adequate warning of what is in store for them. We have laid down the general terms on which they can surrender. Our warning went unheeded; our terms were rejected. Since then the Japanese have seen what our atomic bomb can do. They can foresee what it will do in the future.

The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities immediately, and save themselves from destruction.

I realize the tragic significance of the atomic bomb.

Its production and its use were not lightly undertaken by this Government. But we knew that our enemies were on the search for it. We know now how close they were to finding it. And we knew the disaster, which would come to this Nation, and to all peace-loving nations, to all civilization, if they had found it first.

That is why we felt compelled to undertake the long and uncertain and costly labor of discovery and production.

We won the race of discovery against the Germans. Having found the bomb we have used it. We have used it against those who attacked us without warning at Pearl Harbor, against those who have starved and beaten and executed American prisoners of war, against those who have abandoned all pretense of obeying international laws of warfare. We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans.

We shall continue to use it until we completely destroy Japan's power to make war. Only a Japanese surrender will stop us.

cordizzle · 08-06-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FiveDoorSVT

I'm not arguing whether the atomic option was necessary, they had the desired effect on the Japanese. But if a few thousand soldiers killed on a naval base is a national tragedy, how do they feel about the actions of the US at the end?

Lets just say they are not too happy. When I went to Japan a few years ago, I made it a point to stay in hiroshima for a few days. We were checking out the peace park and such and ran into a video crew that interviewed us. They asked us questions about how we felt about everything and we did the same. Basically it was a surprise and they still have a sour taste in their mouth from it. But they dont hate every american for it. I also had a chance to see pearl harbor, and here is what I noticed.

Pearl Harbor: More of a "theme park." Food and Drink stands, TV's playing the movie Pearl Harbor; it seemed like they turned a tragic insident into a money maker.

Hiroshima: The Peace park, Shrine, and museum is absolutely breath-taking and inspires hatred towards nuclear warfare and violence (hence the burning flame that will only be extinquished once all nuclear weapons in the world are destroyed.

jacobsen1 · 08-06-2009, 11:10 AM

Anyone else got a 3 day weekend to "celebrate" this?

americanyouth · 08-06-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bokuden

And what would you call the Rape of Nanking?

Of course, 2 wrongs do make a right!

greenman · 08-06-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jacobsen1

Anyone else got a 3 day weekend to "celebrate" this?

I actually do....

Gonna be a great one

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08-06-2009, 10:31 AM	#2
Kaiser Scooby Specialist Member#: 7170 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: CT Vehicle: Aut Kaiser, aut nullus.	Ok horrific.

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ZMANNH25rs Scooby Newbie Member#: 9401 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Be more conscious... Vehicle: . Truth is a pathless land...	I understand in part the necessity for doing this, but what a horrible part of our history...

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Brock31 Scooby Specialist Member#: 128115 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Wilmington, NC Vehicle: 2004 4EAT Wagon PSM enginuity is cool	My God! It looks like a nuclear bomb hit that place or something

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Wagon Of Fury Scooby Newbie Member#: 47982 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Vehicle: now with 65% less fury	Somebody set them up the bomb.

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Matt A NASIOC Vendor Relations Member#: 15382 Join Date: Feb 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Cambridge, MA Vehicle: . .	yeah... but its pretty ****ed up that we had to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians to 'keep the peace'

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FiveDoorSVT Scooby Newbie Member#: 79933 Join Date: Jan 2005 Chapter/Region: South East Location: AGDesignworks.com Vehicle: '07 MazdaSpeed3 Probable Cause Red	For some reason this question popped into my head a few days ago. The attack on Pearl Harbor is considered a national tragedy...'A day that will live in infamy'. A surprise, unprovoked attack on a US military base that started our war with Japan. What do the Japanese call the 2 A-Bomb drops? Two bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Did they have any advance notice about the bombings, or were they a surprise, too? I'm not arguing whether the atomic option was necessary, they had the desired effect on the Japanese. But if a few thousand soldiers killed on a naval base is a national tragedy, how do they feel about the actions of the US at the end?

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jacobsen1 Scooby Newbie Member#: 16711 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: N. Kingstown RI Vehicle: 2004 WRX PSM Cobb S1 2003 MINI cooper	Anyone else got a 3 day weekend to "celebrate" this?