Some creepy big brother **** with Wifi access points going on.

aod · 10-09-2009, 04:21 PM

This really amazed me. My boss just got an iTouch and when he goes into the map application at his house it drops him right on his house. When he does it here at the office, it puts it in Baltimore. The access point here used to be at our Baltimore division. This is where it gets really ****ing bizarre. Apparently there are roaming vans that go around and put the location of access points into a gigantic database and this is how the iTouch figures out where you are located.

Big brother is not only watching, but it is logging too. Creepy.

http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/

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f4phantomii · 10-09-2009, 04:26 PM

Interesting.....I always wondered how location via access point worked.

Asinine · 10-09-2009, 04:26 PM

Whaaaa? Wouldn't it just be a hell of a lot easier to associate MAC address to a location via the IP is first connected with?

Qcanfixit · 10-09-2009, 04:27 PM

told you so

zombiefeedingtime · 10-09-2009, 04:27 PM

This should please Q

EDIT: bah, already beat me to it

aod · 10-09-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asinine

Whaaaa? Wouldn't it just be a hell of a lot easier to associate MAC address to a location via the IP is first connected with?

lolwut?

Fish · 10-09-2009, 04:28 PM

Wirelessly posted (blackjack: SAMSUNG-SGH-I607/I607FG1 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 320x240))

have a tool here at work they were playing with developing that can track you via a wireless device against a floorplan map.

like office gps..

there are other places that have developed similar tools.

main use so far, not by us, is to track hospital assets via passive rf tags. apparently huge amounts of man hours are lost looking for wheelchairs

Kiel · 10-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Is that why when I try to do location-based Speedtest.net runs on my iPhone at work it says I'm in Ohio?

ZaphodForty2 · 10-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish

Wirelessly posted (blackjack: SAMSUNG-SGH-I607/I607FG1 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 320x240))

have a tool here at work they were playing with developing that can track you via a wireless device against a floorplan map.

like office gps..

there are other places that have developed similar tools.

main use so far, not by us, is to track hospital assets via passive rf tags. apparently huge amounts of man hours are lost looking for wheelchairs

That would be great to keep track of the wandering elderly too. If you think it sucks to lose a wheelchair, imagine what happens when they find grandma talking to a furnace in the basement after she's been missing for 3 days?

sperry · 10-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asinine

Whaaaa? Wouldn't it just be a hell of a lot easier to associate MAC address to a location via the IP is first connected with?

Only if you never go anywhere with your iPhone. Otherwise no matter where you're connected, it'll still show your location as "mom's basement".

Asinine · 10-09-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aod

lolwut?

Your location can be narrowed down pretty accurately with an IP address. Given a little cooperation from the local telco, you can get it down to the address. But I wasn't thinking 4th dimensionally about it... it's moot. For some reason I got it in my head that APs would be "registering" with the vendor of this iTouch app.

Vostok 7 · 10-09-2009, 04:38 PM

Yeah, I got creeped out the other day when I hit the blue dot in Google Maps on my laptop. It literally pinpointed my location better and quicker than my iPhone did, all based on Wifi.

Totally tripped me out.

Vostok 7

-=C=- · 10-09-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aod

This really amazed me. My boss just got an iTouch and when he goes into the map application at his house it drops him right on his house. When he does it here at the office, it puts it in Baltimore. The access point here used to be at our Baltimore division. This is where it gets really ****ing bizarre. Apparently there are roaming vans that go around and put the location of access points into a gigantic database and this is how the iTouch figures out where you are located.

Big brother is not only watching, but it is logging too. Creepy.

http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/

So even private APs are logged it seems?

2K1 Carbon Blue · 10-09-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish

Wirelessly posted (blackjack: SAMSUNG-SGH-I607/I607FG1 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 320x240))

have a tool here at work they were playing with developing that can track you via a wireless device against a floorplan map.

like office gps..

there are other places that have developed similar tools.

main use so far, not by us, is to track hospital assets via passive rf tags. apparently huge amounts of man hours are lost looking for wheelchairs

you could sell that to grocery stores too, for their shopping carts

StuBeck · 10-09-2009, 04:42 PM

Yes, thats what the scary thing is.

BGPunk2001 · 10-09-2009, 04:44 PM

zombiekiller · 10-09-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish

Wirelessly posted (blackjack: SAMSUNG-SGH-I607/I607FG1 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 320x240))

have a tool here at work they were playing with developing that can track you via a wireless device against a floorplan map.

like office gps..

there are other places that have developed similar tools.

main use so far, not by us, is to track hospital assets via passive rf tags. apparently huge amounts of man hours are lost looking for wheelchairs

this is already a product that you can purchase with proximity security systems in office buildings. The last company that i worked for looked into buying one to track productivity and time spent in one's office.

When we were testing it you could run a report on how long someone spent in the restroom every day. it was bizarre.

-=C=- · 10-09-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BGPunk2001

You can do what I did to my punk ass neighbor. My Juniper router/firewall at home supports multiple SSID's. I created 1 with the same SSID as my neighbor's but with it set to a different PSK and MAC lockdown. It's funny to see the logs at the number of times his devices keep trying to associate with my router. The cable company has been out 3x and he's even asked me if I've ever had any issues with my cable modem.

aod · 10-09-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiel

Is that why when I try to do location-based Speedtest.net runs on my iPhone at work it says I'm in Ohio?

No. They check the whois information for your IP address. If your Internet provider is based in Ohio, it can do this.

WRX300 · 10-09-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=C=-

You can do what I did to my punk ass neighbor. My Juniper router/firewall at home supports multiple SSID's. I created 1 with the same SSID as my neighbor's but with it set to a different PSK and MAC lockdown. It's funny to see the logs at the number of times his devices keep trying to associate with my router. The cable company has been out 3x and he's even asked me if I've ever had any issues with my cable modem.

thats just evil brilliance right there...

aod · 10-09-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=C=-

So even private APs are logged it seems?

Yes. Apparently they can still get some sort of identification info out of the AP even if it is secured and it goes right into the database.

BGPunk2001 · 10-09-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=C=-

You can do what I did to my punk ass neighbor. My Juniper router/firewall at home supports multiple SSID's. I created 1 with the same SSID as my neighbor's but with it set to a different PSK and MAC lockdown. It's funny to see the logs at the number of times his devices keep trying to associate with my router. The cable company has been out 3x and he's even asked me if I've ever had any issues with my cable modem.

While I applaud your deviousness, what makes him a punk ass? Was it something involving trying to steal your internets, or something completely unrelated to computers?

I just want to understand why I should hate him with you.

chapstien · 10-09-2009, 05:05 PM

Check this out

Searchable map with IDs

http://www.wigle.net/gps/gps/Map/onlinemap2/

merlot · 10-09-2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=C=-

So even private APs are logged it seems?

Even if they aren't broadcast?

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=C=-

You can do what I did to my punk ass neighbor. My Juniper router/firewall at home supports multiple SSID's. I created 1 with the same SSID as my neighbor's but with it set to a different PSK and MAC lockdown. It's funny to see the logs at the number of times his devices keep trying to associate with my router. The cable company has been out 3x and he's even asked me if I've ever had any issues with my cable modem.

Awesome!

aod · 10-09-2009, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chapstien

Check this out

Searchable map with IDs

http://www.wigle.net/gps/gps/Map/onlinemap2/

Hmm, nice if you want to pinpoint some default SSIDs.

10-09-2009, 04:21 PM	#1
aod NASIOC Supporter Member#: 7121 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: :punch: This is from FBHIC! Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Red	Some creepy big brother with Wifi access points going on. This really amazed me. My boss just got an iTouch and when he goes into the map application at his house it drops him right on his house. When he does it here at the office, it puts it in Baltimore. The access point here used to be at our Baltimore division. This is where it gets really ***ing bizarre. Apparently there are roaming vans that go around and put the location of access points into a gigantic database and this is how the iTouch figures out where you are located. Big brother is not only watching, but it is logging too. Creepy. http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/ Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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10-09-2009, 04:26 PM	#2
f4phantomii Scooby Specialist Member#: 58504 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Ready to try OpenECU.org!!! Vehicle: 2004 STi w/o wing Aspen White / Silver	Interesting.....I always wondered how location via access point worked.

10-09-2009, 04:26 PM	#3
Asinine Scooby Specialist Member#: 55173 Join Date: Feb 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Further inspection of Vehicle: the engine bay uncovers...	Whaaaa? Wouldn't it just be a hell of a lot easier to associate MAC address to a location via the IP is first connected with?

10-09-2009, 04:27 PM	#4
Qcanfixit Scooby Specialist Member#: 135762 Join Date: Dec 2006 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Fortress of Solitude, NYC Vehicle: 4002 Maximahhhhhhhh Q Wheel Drive	told you so

10-09-2009, 04:27 PM	#5
zombiefeedingtime Scooby Newbie Member#: 109380 Join Date: Mar 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Between Chris' thighs	This should please Q EDIT: bah, already beat me to it

10-09-2009, 04:28 PM	#7
Fish RIP Sirkbac Member#: 869 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Nashua NH Vehicle: 1987 GPZ-750 TURBO 90' MX-5/02' Protoge 5	Wirelessly posted (blackjack: SAMSUNG-SGH-I607/I607FG1 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 320x240)) have a tool here at work they were playing with developing that can track you via a wireless device against a floorplan map. like office gps.. there are other places that have developed similar tools. main use so far, not by us, is to track hospital assets via passive rf tags. apparently huge amounts of man hours are lost looking for wheelchairs

10-09-2009, 04:29 PM	#8
Kiel Scooby Specialist Member#: 133439 Join Date: Nov 2006 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Drexel Hill, PA Vehicle: 2003 WRX Sonic Yellow - Stage Taxi	Is that why when I try to do location-based Speedtest.net runs on my iPhone at work it says I'm in Ohio?

10-09-2009, 04:38 PM	#12
Vostok 7 Scooby Specialist Member#: 30209 Join Date: Nov 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: air force is cool Vehicle: and they doesnt afraid of anything	Yeah, I got creeped out the other day when I hit the blue dot in Google Maps on my laptop. It literally pinpointed my location better and quicker than my iPhone did, all based on Wifi. Totally tripped me out. Vostok 7

10-09-2009, 04:42 PM	#15
StuBeck Scooby Specialist Member#: 19546 Join Date: Jun 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Rochester, NY Vehicle: 2009 VW Rabbit	Yes, thats what the scary thing is.

10-09-2009, 04:44 PM	#16
BGPunk2001 Scooby Specialist Member#: 46134 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: RIP Roger Lauderdale

10-09-2009, 05:05 PM	#23
chapstien Scooby Specialist Member#: 68284 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 2003 Stg 2.1 WRX Wgn Fast WRB	Check this out Searchable map with IDs http://www.wigle.net/gps/gps/Map/onlinemap2/