A question for Toyota truck gurus

banman · 11-03-2009, 11:48 PM

How realistic/expensive is it to do a diesel engine swap (like the KZ-TE or KD-FTV) from a Hilux into a North American-market Tacoma? A friend of mine is curious about it.

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Spootypuff · 11-03-2009, 11:53 PM

This thread is relevant to my interests

HeyZeus · 11-03-2009, 11:56 PM

Depends on how much you get your doner parts for. After that it is mostly labor.

http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/toyotadiesel/

banman · 11-04-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeyZeus

Depends on how much you get your doner parts for. After that it is mostly labor.

http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/toyotadiesel/

Hmm. That site doesn't bode well for 1KZ-TE or 1KD swaps.

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As far as we know, none of these are bolt-in swaps for US market vehicles and will require welding and fabrication. A few 1KZ-TE swaps have been completed or are in process, but in general, there's much less experience among US enthusiasts about this engine and what's involved in a swap. However, overseas Toyota diesel enthusiasts report that they like this engine much better than the L-series diesels, both in terms of reliability and performance. Be prepared to open your wallet wide if you're considering this. Some info on a 1KZ-TE swap:

HeyZeus · 11-04-2009, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banman

Hmm. That site doesn't bode well for 1KZ-TE or 1KD swaps.

Are you going to let a little welding scare yah?

lag · 11-04-2009, 12:06 AM

I've seen a lot of aborted projects... none actually completed.

I wanted to do the same, ended up w/ a LS1

UKscooby · 11-04-2009, 12:10 AM

http://www.yotatech.com/f162/

skywatcher · 11-04-2009, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeyZeus

Are you going to let a little welding scare yah?

I'm talking in Comic Sans! LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!

Kellan · 11-04-2009, 12:14 AM

I've contemplated doing this at some point in the future. But having read about how complicated it might be, it could be an even better option to put a 4BT in a truck like that since you're doing new engine mounts, etc, anyway.
edit: nevermind, the 4bt weighs 750lbs

HeyZeus · 11-04-2009, 12:18 AM

A 4BT is a heavy engine, not sure how much the newer toy diesels weigh, but I would guess they are much lighter.

http://www.dieseltoyz.com/Toyota_die...nversions.html

skywatcher · 11-04-2009, 12:19 AM

Swap in a 12 valve Cummins ISB.

PARANOID56 · 11-04-2009, 01:24 AM

dont bother with those cummins. they are great, but even the 4banger is like 800lbs

to much weight for a yota. and if you do swap, the axles arnt going to last long.

a toyota diesel is a great but hard to find parts for in the states. you can pick them up for some what cheap too.

another great option that a lot of the US guys are doing are the VW TDI swaps. more power and TQ.

I am still trying to figure out what diesel i want to put in my runner

EDIT, would this swap be done in the US or canada?

69subaru360 · 11-04-2009, 01:27 AM

I know nothing about toyotas, but in searching for jdm subaru front cuts, I've noticed that the importers are starting to bring in toyota hilux diesel front cuts.

Fuzz541 · 11-04-2009, 01:43 AM

PM Hurley959. He's a Rover guy, but I'm sure he has some info about various other 4x4 diesel options.

r0bman · 11-04-2009, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skywatcher

I'm talking in Comic Sans! LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!

saltYmirv · 11-04-2009, 02:44 AM

22r is basically a diesel

HeyZeus · 11-04-2009, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skywatcher

Swap in a 12 valve Cummins ISB.

12 valves are not ISB's, they are 6BT's noob.

skywatcher · 11-04-2009, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeyZeus

12 valves are not ISB's, they are 6BT's noob.

*smacks forehead* That's what I meant.

HeyZeus · 11-04-2009, 03:31 AM

I am pretty sure a 6BT or ISB alone would exceed the GAWR of the front axle on a taco, let alone the rest of the truck, passengers, cargo, etc.

Just a thought...

skywatcher · 11-04-2009, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeyZeus

I am pretty sure a 6BT or ISB alone would exceed the GAWR of the front axle on a taco, let alone the rest of the truck, passengers, cargo, etc.

Just a thought...

I have a solution for that...
Get a real truck.

banman · 11-04-2009, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skywatcher

I have a solution for that...
Get a real truck.

I see that gay guys aren't immune from overcompensating, either.

skywatcher · 11-04-2009, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banman

I see that gay guys aren't immune from overcompensating, either.

I keed, I keed. I have an inexplicable love for 80's 22re Tacos.

bobturismo · 11-04-2009, 05:16 AM

It depends on what you can do and what tools you have, for me and my friends it would not be difficult. We've also body dropped trucks and built custom vehicles for years, including swapping engines into vehicles that didn't belong.

If you ahve the whole front clip, getting it to run is not the problem, fabricating everything is the biggest concern.

Normally when you swap an engine, the first thing you do after stripping the vehicles is fitting the drivetrain phyiscally. I'm sure it's not a big deal in this case, but making sure that you have a place to fabricate motor mounts and run exhaust. You may have to make clearance with teh firewall, which isn't a big deal if you have a sledge hammer, plasma cutter and a welder.

Once you get it mounted, then it's usually a question of cooling system, trans mount, intake setup, trucks are usually a lot less of a big deal over cars.

Changing the dash is bigger deal, I just got done doing a FULL 06-07 forester FXT swap into a 00' forester, in order to do all the HVAC and dash and everything, we had to rebuild the firewall by welding up holes and making new ones so that the 00 firewall looked like the 06. We could've used the 00 dash and A/C, but that wouldn't have been as cool.

It really isn't that difficult to do a "similar" vehicle swap, even doing something like converting a honda to RWD actually isn't THAT hard if you have the tools and the means. If you don't have the tools and means, the trade off is money, either buying parts or paying someone that does have the means and tools. There's a point at which you would be better off to buy a vehicle that someone all ready swapped, someone that did all the research, hunted down all the parts and worked out all the bugs.

But then what? You spent thousands of dollars to save a few bucks a month at the pump and you lose money trying to find replacement parts from australia. But you have the cool factor.

spongejosh · 11-04-2009, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellan

I've contemplated doing this at some point in the future. But having read about how complicated it might be, it could be an even better option to put a 4BT in a truck like that since you're doing new engine mounts, etc, anyway.
edit: nevermind, the 4bt weighs 750lbs

There's a guy that put a 4BT in a Taco with upgraded springs and it worked out pretty well. The problem is the 4BT is too tall to fit in a taco and keep 4WD unless you also swap in a solid front axle. The guy that did the swap had a 2WD Taco.

bobturismo · 11-04-2009, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spongejosh

There's a guy that put a 4BT in a Taco with upgraded springs and it worked out pretty well. The problem is the 4BT is too tall to fit in a taco and keep 4WD unless you also swap in a solid front axle. The guy that did the swap had a 2WD Taco.

Just like when you body drop a truck, why not just modify the hood to fit the engine instead?

11-03-2009, 11:48 PM	#1
banman NASIOC Supporter Member#: 12408 Join Date: Nov 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: The Deep North Vehicle: 2000 Toyota Hilux SR-5 TD	A question for Toyota truck gurus How realistic/expensive is it to do a diesel engine swap (like the KZ-TE or KD-FTV) from a Hilux into a North American-market Tacoma? A friend of mine is curious about it. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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11-03-2009, 11:53 PM	#2
Spootypuff NASIOC SUPER Supporter n00b jesus Member#: 200000 Join Date: May 2008 Chapter/Region: South East Location: spootypuff.com/forum/index.php	This thread is relevant to my interests

11-03-2009, 11:56 PM	#3
HeyZeus Scooby Newbie Member#: 199998 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington	Depends on how much you get your doner parts for. After that it is mostly labor. http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/toyotadiesel/

11-04-2009, 12:06 AM	#6
lag Scooby Newbie Member#: 34631 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Baltimore Suburbs Vehicle: 2006 Legacy GT brilliant silver	I've seen a lot of aborted projects... none actually completed. I wanted to do the same, ended up w/ a LS1

11-04-2009, 12:10 AM	#7
UKscooby Scooby Specialist Member#: 33287 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: West Michigan	http://www.yotatech.com/f162/

11-04-2009, 12:14 AM	#9
Kellan Scooby Newbie Member#: 135556 Join Date: Dec 2006 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: a house	I've contemplated doing this at some point in the future. But having read about how complicated it might be, it could be an even better option to put a 4BT in a truck like that since you're doing new engine mounts, etc, anyway. edit: nevermind, the 4bt weighs 750lbs

11-04-2009, 12:18 AM	#10
HeyZeus Scooby Newbie Member#: 199998 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington	A 4BT is a heavy engine, not sure how much the newer toy diesels weigh, but I would guess they are much lighter. http://www.dieseltoyz.com/Toyota_die...nversions.html

11-04-2009, 12:19 AM	#11
skywatcher Scooby Newbie Member#: 82470 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: International Vehicle: My God, it's full of stars!	Swap in a 12 valve Cummins ISB.

11-04-2009, 01:24 AM	#12
PARANOID56 Scooby Specialist Member#: 22035 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, CA Vehicle: 2008 STI White	dont bother with those cummins. they are great, but even the 4banger is like 800lbs to much weight for a yota. and if you do swap, the axles arnt going to last long. a toyota diesel is a great but hard to find parts for in the states. you can pick them up for some what cheap too. another great option that a lot of the US guys are doing are the VW TDI swaps. more power and TQ. I am still trying to figure out what diesel i want to put in my runner EDIT, would this swap be done in the US or canada?

11-04-2009, 01:27 AM	#13
69subaru360 Scooby Specialist Member#: 159682 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Fleetwood, PA Vehicle: 1995 Impreza coupe 1969 360	I know nothing about toyotas, but in searching for jdm subaru front cuts, I've noticed that the importers are starting to bring in toyota hilux diesel front cuts.

11-04-2009, 01:43 AM	#14
Fuzz541 Scooby Specialist Member#: 4739 Join Date: Mar 2001 Vehicle: 2009 Later. It's been fun.	PM Hurley959. He's a Rover guy, but I'm sure he has some info about various other 4x4 diesel options.

11-04-2009, 02:44 AM	#16
saltYmirv Scooby Newbie Member#: 165457 Join Date: Nov 2007 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Here Vehicle: '01 CBR F4i Red '89 4Runner Black	22r is basically a diesel

11-04-2009, 03:31 AM	#19
HeyZeus Scooby Newbie Member#: 199998 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington	I am pretty sure a 6BT or ISB alone would exceed the GAWR of the front axle on a taco, let alone the rest of the truck, passengers, cargo, etc. Just a thought...

11-04-2009, 05:16 AM	#23
bobturismo Scooby Specialist Member#: 42145 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: cruizin' down the street in my Vehicle: 6-4 jockin da bish- es and slappin the ho's.	It depends on what you can do and what tools you have, for me and my friends it would not be difficult. We've also body dropped trucks and built custom vehicles for years, including swapping engines into vehicles that didn't belong. If you ahve the whole front clip, getting it to run is not the problem, fabricating everything is the biggest concern. Normally when you swap an engine, the first thing you do after stripping the vehicles is fitting the drivetrain phyiscally. I'm sure it's not a big deal in this case, but making sure that you have a place to fabricate motor mounts and run exhaust. You may have to make clearance with teh firewall, which isn't a big deal if you have a sledge hammer, plasma cutter and a welder. Once you get it mounted, then it's usually a question of cooling system, trans mount, intake setup, trucks are usually a lot less of a big deal over cars. Changing the dash is bigger deal, I just got done doing a FULL 06-07 forester FXT swap into a 00' forester, in order to do all the HVAC and dash and everything, we had to rebuild the firewall by welding up holes and making new ones so that the 00 firewall looked like the 06. We could've used the 00 dash and A/C, but that wouldn't have been as cool. It really isn't that difficult to do a "similar" vehicle swap, even doing something like converting a honda to RWD actually isn't THAT hard if you have the tools and the means. If you don't have the tools and means, the trade off is money, either buying parts or paying someone that does have the means and tools. There's a point at which you would be better off to buy a vehicle that someone all ready swapped, someone that did all the research, hunted down all the parts and worked out all the bugs. But then what? You spent thousands of dollars to save a few bucks a month at the pump and you lose money trying to find replacement parts from australia. But you have the cool factor.