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Old 09-19-2003, 06:45 PM   #26
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WR explosive: mine says "37" on the side. I don't know if that means the keys are different....I don't know how to make unique keys out of just 7 sides and a slit. Maybe we can meet and "test it out"
sure, will you drive down to Los Angeles? Our KEYS are different, yours wont work on mine and vice versa. But like you said, we need to test 'em 7 sides and a slit, they should be different and I'm sure RAYS engineers aren't that dumb... hopefully...
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Old 10-08-2003, 11:36 PM   #27
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are the stock lugs tapered the same as the Rays lugs?

I was under the impression that stock wheels used a cupped style lug that IS NOT compatible with aftermarket Duralumin lugs. On the same note, do not use stock lugs with aftermarket wheels!
That sounds like what the dude was trying to tell me the other day when I was trying to replace the lugnuts on my Jeep. I thought that he was full of it. I mean a 45 degree cone is a 45 degree cone. Now that YOU said it...I'm starting to believe.

This needs to be looked into. Seriously. Lugnuts are what drives the wheels. They are an important link in the drivetrain, suspension and braking system.

The problem that my Jeep has is that the lugnuts are worse(!) than the Subaru ones. They are a cheap-ass 2 piece design. The Subaru ones are just too tiny.

So the first thing I need to know is if the factory wheels IN FACT have a 45 degree cone seating area.
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Old 10-09-2003, 09:04 AM   #28
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Old 10-09-2003, 09:04 AM   #29
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NeoGeo, what number in your KEY do you have? How about you 909? Im asking just trying to make sure we all have different numbers even if our KEYS looks similar. Mine is 27.



installed on this...



I've had three wheel rotations and no discoloration nor scratches so far...
anyone know what kind of rims these are?
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Old 10-15-2003, 01:38 PM   #30
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anyone know what kind of rims these are?
Rays Gram Lite.
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Old 10-15-2003, 03:30 PM   #31
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That sounds like what the dude was trying to tell me the other day when I was trying to replace the lugnuts on my Jeep. I thought that he was full of it. I mean a 45 degree cone is a 45 degree cone. Now that YOU said it...I'm starting to believe.
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So the first thing I need to know is if the factory wheels IN FACT have a 45 degree cone seating area.
I've been research (too much) about lugs recently.

Standard lugs are 60 degree cones. The only other type has a spherical seat (Honda, and some others). Then there are mags and lug bolts, but that's a different story now.

So in answer to your question, a standard 12x1.25 cone/"acorn" lug nut will work.
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Old 10-15-2003, 05:22 PM   #32
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anyone know what kind of rims these are?
not a Gramlights, those are A-Tech Final Speed, Made in Japan.


and those are on my wagon...


this Legacy has it in Bronze.
http://www4.ocn.ne.jp/~hid/legacy_now.html
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Old 10-15-2003, 11:23 PM   #33
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:11 AM   #34
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Nice! Paint, or powder coat? And hows it lasting?


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Old 10-16-2003, 11:29 AM   #35
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Paint. Only been a couple weeks but it's my second time doing it (sold the other ones). It holds up pretty well but only to normal driving. If a rock kicks up, it'll chip it for sure (but I've heard colored aftermarkets will chip as well with a good chink). Good news is, it's not hard (or expensive) to pop the rims off once a year or so, clean 'em up and touch 'em up if they need.
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Old 10-16-2003, 07:01 PM   #36
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FYI...
I ended up losing 1 Rays, Black lug nut. I contacted the vendor (Discount Tire/Wheel Options), and Mackinindustries to find out about buying replacements (either several or just the 4 locks). They told me they don't sell individual lugs or even just the Rays locks and that I have to buy an entire set!

So now, because I cannot locate any used Rays black lugs, I have to plunk down another $125+ for a full set!

Or, buy a set of KYOKUGEN or ZENKI (which I could buy both sets for the price of one Rays.

The following email was sent to productinfo@mackinindustries.com (Ray's Engineering US distrubutor):

Hi Saiji,
Thank you very much for trying to resolve this. I know there is nothing else you can do, but if I might make one suggestion so that Ray’s Engineering/Mackinindustries won’t potentially lose customers; Customers are the most important person in anyone’s business. With that in mind, you should inform the president that because one cannot buy the Ray’s lug nuts individually, in broken sets, or subsets (example: a pack of 10 or 4 Ray’s locks), thus customers will not purchase the RAY’s lugs they will look else where or consider other alternatives. This is something that can easily be fixed, but it must come from someone higher up internally, potentially from Ray’s Engineering in Japan.
FACT: For the price of one set of RAY’s lugs, you can purchase a full set of ZENKI AND KYUKOGEN lugs, thus having 2 full sets. These other brands are of the same hi-quality materials, are similar in weight, and are also made in Japan. Because of this fact, you potentially lose customers, and those customers will relay this information to other potential customers which cause a domino affect and soon, no one will be purchasing the Ray’s lugs.
I know this is not important for you, but it might be important to the company.
Thank you,
Kenley Fritts

-----Original Message-----
From: Product Info [mailtoroductinfo@mackinindustries.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Kenley Fritts
Subject: RE: Rays Engineering Lugs

I am so sorry to hear that. I just asked my manager and we can not sell just one lug nut. I am so sorry. I wish you the best luck. My personal advise is to look in recycler, or autopartstrader.com and try to see if someone is selling 1, 2, or 3 lugnuts.
Saiji Ishizaki

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Kenley Fritts
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:57:35 -0700

Hi Saiji,
I did contact them, and they told me they cannot sell me one lug nut and
that I must buy a complete set. This was Discount Tire/Wheel Options in El
Monte, CA. Is there anything you can do? I don’t mind purchasing new lugs
or locks, but it seems that if I have to buy a full set for $125+ to replace
only one, that’s a little much.

Thank you.
Kenley

-----Original Message-----
From: Product Info [mailtoroductinfo@mackinindustries.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:53 AM
To: Kenley Fritts
Subject: Re: Rays Engineering Lugs

Please contact the store that you bought the wheel from. They should be
able to assist you.

Saiji Ishizaki


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Kenley Fritts
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:05:50 -0700

Hi,
I purchased the LE37-T 17” wheels for my ‘03 Subaru WRX Impreza along with
the Rays Wheel Lugs from Wheel Options in El Monte, CA. I am missing one
of
the standard (black) wheel lug nuts. I think it may not have been torqued
correctly and may have backed off. Can I purchase a replacement wheel lug
(or lock)?

Thanks,
Kenley Fritts
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Old 10-19-2003, 05:57 AM   #37
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Bummer man. I hate it when companies do stuff like that.

It's like,"Of course the warehouse is full of the part that you want, but I don't want to break up a set because I'm too lazy and greedy."
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