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Old 05-18-2004, 02:59 AM   #1
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Hi everybody, my name is Andy. I just picked up a 2003 WRX wagon with only 4,000 miles on it today! It was such a deal at Evanston Subaru - talk to Mike, he's a great guy to deal with!

Right now my biggest challenge is becoming comfortable with a stick shift and turbocharged car This is the first manual car I've owned and I don't have too much seat time aside from what I've put in today (quite a bit, my left foot feels funny). I'd appreciate any special tips, I already read about how the car will not go into first when it's rolling. It also seems reluctant to go into second above 20 mph, am I just not blipping the throttle enough?

I also am horrible at aggressive starts and 1-2 shifts, any tips would be appreciated. Otherwise, see you around the board!
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Old 05-18-2004, 03:08 AM   #2
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I already read about how the car will not go into first when it's rolling. It also seems reluctant to go into second above 20 mph, am I just not blipping the throttle enough?

I also am horrible at aggressive starts and 1-2 shifts, any tips would be appreciated. Otherwise, see you around the board!
Ya 1st gear on these cars is REALLY picky about when it will go into gear. and when switching into reverse make sure you are not moving AT ALL otherwise you will do a little grinding of your reverse gear also, when i go into reverse i normally hold the clutch in for a few seconds before putting it in gear. this lets the tranny stop moving if you had it spinning in neutral.

i havent really had much trouble with second gear... hopefully that doesnt mean your 2nd gear syncro is messed up

and lastly.. get used to driving normally before you do your "aggressive starts and 1-2 shifts" hehe. trying to shift too quickly (especially before you are used to driving manual) could result in a ground down or broken syncro if you dont have the timing right. thats one of the worst sounds you can hear
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Old 05-18-2004, 02:35 PM   #4
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Old 05-18-2004, 02:46 PM   #5
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Old 05-18-2004, 03:16 PM   #6
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Howdy!

First off, cograts on a wagon. Chicks dig wagons, remember that.
Then, read my Subaru FAQ.

Third, your car is AWD. You have to shift differently than with a regular car. DO NOT quickly shift during the 1-2. If you hear a thump in the rear, this is your rear diff protesting your shifting technique. Everthing can be quick about it except the final clutch engagement. Too soon sends too much shock to the rear end. Since it's AWD, there is no tire smoke to take up the extra power. All that energy is then absorbed by your rear diff. First-shift-pause-Second is how the transition should go. One person described it best for me awhile ago by stating that you should wait until the point where you are no longer pressed into the back of your seat to let the clutch out on your Second shift. I now use that technique. Yes, it's slower, but better for your rear end in the long run.

To help with first, you may have to shift into second first to get it to engage from a roll. Changing your tranny fluid to 75W90 regular gear oil may help too. Many Subaru owners are "synthetic dorks". This is fine with the oil, but most synthetic gear oils don't work well with our transmissions. Changing it back to regular oil will run about $15 if you do it yourself and eliminates all tranny problems for most people. Even though your car only has 4000 miles, swap it out as it's probably synthetic. I swapped out my fluids at 1000 miles as do MANY other Subaru owners.
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Old 05-18-2004, 03:38 PM   #7
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Third, your car is AWD. You have to shift differently than with a regular car. DO NOT quickly shift during the 1-2. If you hear a thump in the rear, this is your rear diff protesting your shifting technique. Everthing can be quick about it except the final clutch engagement. Too soon sends too much shock to the rear end. Since it's AWD, there is no tire smoke to take up the extra power. All that energy is then absorbed by your rear diff. First-shift-pause-Second is how the transition should go. One person described it best for me awhile ago by stating that you should wait until the point where you are no longer pressed into the back of your seat to let the clutch out on your Second shift. I now use that technique. Yes, it's slower, but better for your rear end in the long run.
Wow....I never knew that.
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Old 05-18-2004, 03:41 PM   #8
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Thanks Unabomber!

I have been searching around for 1-2 shift tips, and I came across the pausing technique. I tried it today and the shift lever felt much happier to me

You say everything can be quick except the final engagement; are you saying I should slip the clutch, maybe just a little? Because as I am right now with pausing in neutral between 1 and 2 (and also letting the lever slip into second gear position as revs drop), I take up the clutch quickly and it still gives a good shake. It seems if I slip the clutch I can make it smooth, although if there's a smooth way without slipping I'd prefer to use that, as it would save the clutch wear.

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Technique is really hard to word. But here goes:

1. You are in first gear, taking it to your favorite shift RPM.
2. Once you reach this RPM, depress the clutch.
3. Shift into second.
(2 & 3 can be done lightning quick)
4. "The wait". I judge it based on my body's movement. Visualize your pelvis as the axis....when the rearward pressure of acceleration leaves your body and you feel as if you can naturally lean forward at the waist.....this is the shift point.
5. Shift into second.

With every shift, there should be some slight clutch slipping depending on your haste and tranny characteristics. What works for me may not work for you. In total, it took me about 2 months to get 100% confindent in my tranny. I have driven a TON of 02/03/04 WRXs and they are all a little different.

Use my technique as a rough guide and adjust as necessary.

Of course, when drag racing or driving in an occasional really frisky fashion, speed shifting is "normal", but for 99.3% of the time, be kind during shifts.
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Wow....I never knew that.
Glad to help and please pass it on. Regular cars use squealing tires to absorb the extra power. With AWD, all this energy goes into the transmission and differentials. While this is good for acceleration, it also causes lots of $$$ wear. Tires are cheap, trannys/diffs.....not so much! It's hard walking that fine line between acceleration and reduced stress. So far my greatest 1st gear take off has been 2500-3000 RPM or so. I tried a good launch once at the dragstrip, but fell on my face. Transmission warranty service writers do not fear me!
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Old 05-18-2004, 05:05 PM   #11
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Congrats and welcome. I have had a bit of trouble getting it in first to but what helps is if you rev the car a little bit while downshifting into first will help you out alot...
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Old 05-18-2004, 05:07 PM   #12
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Technique is really hard to word. But here goes:

1. You are in first gear, taking it to your favorite shift RPM.
2. Once you reach this RPM, depress the clutch.
3. Shift into second.
(2 & 3 can be done lightning quick)
4. "The wait". I judge it based on my body's movement. Visualize your pelvis as the axis....when the rearward pressure of acceleration leaves your body and you feel as if you can naturally lean forward at the waist.....this is the shift point.
5. Shift into second.

Alright well #3 and #5 are the same which confuses me... for #3 do you mean pull the lever towards the second gear position, and then for #5 let it slip/glide fully in? That's the only part I don't understand, thanks!
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Old 05-18-2004, 06:31 PM   #13
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What's up Andy

#4 & #5 is just his description of the 1-2 shift in better detail.

All you need are time and practice.
My advice would be to not be completely off the throttle when you depress the clutch you should hear a slight rev for each gear change & ease that clutch home. Once you get the 1-2 shift down, the rest are the same just a bit quicker.
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FWIW, I taught my wife with this exercise...go to a big, empty, no traffic, parking lot/side street. I copied this from a previous post I made...I hope it helps.

FIRST RULE OF MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS - When in doubt, push the clutch in. You can never go wrong with the clutch in. If your car starts to buck or you start to stall, push the clutch in. If you fell like you're going to fast, push the clutch in before you brake. Repeat this ten times over. Then repeat it again after you stall the first time. And repeat it every time you stall as you're learning.

Put it in neutral with the clutch in. Bring the rpms up to about 2000, and hold it there for about 15 seconds. Hold it right at 2000, get a feel for how touchy the gas pedal is. Bring it down to 1500, for a few seconds and come back up to 2000 (not 2200, 2000). Go back and forth between those a few times, just to get used to the gas. Do all this while still holding the clutch in (get those leg muscles used to holding it...they'll get strong eventually).

Next, with it still in first with the clutch in, start SLOWLY letting the clutch out. Very very slowly. Without any gas, don't do anything with the gas pedal. Eventually, you'll start to feel the clutch engaging the engine. This is the beginning of your clutch engagement point. Keep the releasing of the clutch slow slow slow. You'll start moving (don't panic, especially your left foot). After 60 seconds of slow release, your foot should be off the clutch completely, and you'll be rolling forward slowly (5 mph). Repeat this a few times, it'll take some getting used to. You're getting used to feeling the engagement of the engine throughout the clutch release.

Put it in neutral for a few minutes, you'll want to rest your left leg for few moments.

Put it in first gear with the clutch in. Hold the rpms at 2000 with the gas. Slowly start letting the clutch out like you did before. The idea here is that regardless of the clutch/gas positions, keep the rpms at 2000. At the beginning of the engagement as you're letting the clutch out, you'll see the rpms start to droop a little, and you'll start to move again. Add just a touch more gas to keep the rpms at 2000 before you let the clutch out anymore. Then let out the clutch a little more, and add a little more gas to keep it at 2000. Keep this going until eventually the clutch is all the way out. Stop. Repeat this a half a dozen times or more until you can get the release of the clutch to happen fluidly and evenly.

Then, after you've mastered the previous exercise, as you're driving in 1st, rev up to about 3000 rpms and push the clutch in. Put it in second while the clutch is still in. Apply enough gas to hold at 1500 rpms and release the clutch like you did before, applying gas to keep the rpms at 1500. Now you're in second. As you get more confident, you can shift at higher rpms to accelerature a little more quickly. Practice that up with 3rd gear too. You should be able to get to 25-30 mph pretty easy.

Now the toughy. With all that done, go to someplace with an incline. Start at the bottom of the incline. Hold the rpms at 2000 and release the clutch a little so that you start inching forward again. Hold the clutch and gas right there at that position. You should be able to add enough gas/clutch combination to inch up, stop on, and hold yourself motionless on the hill. This is very tricky at first, and you might stall or roll backwards. Eventually you'll be able to sit motionless on the incline, and move forward by adding gas. This gets you used to the more gas/less clutch tradeoff...it will become very natural.

Now stop on the incline. You should have the clutch in, brakes on. As you let the clutch out slowly, you should be able to feel the engagement of the engine at some point. Adding gas and working the more gas/less clutch action should allow you to accelerate up the incline without rolling back much. Practice and get used to it.

You'll be a pro in no time. Good luck
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Also, here's another good thread, regarding starting from an incline...
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=529692
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Wow. Great write up!
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Congrats and welcome. I have had a bit of trouble getting it in first to but what helps is if you rev the car a little bit while downshifting into first will help you out alot...
If that doesn't do it, try double-clutching: clutch in, shift into neutral, clutch out, blip gas, clutch in, rev-match gas, push gently into 1st, clutch out.
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That is an excellent walkthrough for manual. Although I'm sure millions have already said that, but coming from someone currently learning manual for the first time, it already clears up sooooo much and I'm not even in the car yet.
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I also have trouble downshifting into 2nd above 20mph. Any tips or explanations for that? I understand the slow shift between 1-2, but dowshifting can be a bitch sometimes.
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Excellent advice from everybody. I too am adjusting to a manual transmission after 4 years in an automatic.

While we are talking shifting:
My car is new. Will I notice a change in the clutch feel as it gets broken and/or I rack up the miles?
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I also have trouble downshifting into 2nd above 20mph. Any tips or explanations for that? I understand the slow shift between 1-2, but dowshifting can be a bitch sometimes.

Havent had any trouble.. are you rev matching/heel-toeing it??
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Excellent advice from everybody. I too am adjusting to a manual transmission after 4 years in an automatic.

While we are talking shifting:
My car is new. Will I notice a change in the clutch feel as it gets broken and/or I rack up the miles?

I can say that you will feel a little bit of difference... My car came with about 20K on it and I feel just a little difference now that I am up at 34K... Well and it could be the fact that I was new to a standard at the time to

Oh and when you burn the clutch really bad.. (it smells similar to really hot brakes to me...) It will feel really different.. What I find work best is to let it cool down for 5-10 minutes depending on how bad you burned it and then drive it around for half hour or so... Mine always goes back to feeling like it was... slight difference after a couple of times though.. But what can I say practice makes perfect

Edited in the last paragraph... I forgot about it until i went to read my post

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Double clutching is the best method I've found. Put the stick in neutral, let out the clutch, rev to an appropriate engine speed for your moving speed, clutch in, stick to 2. This also works well for 1st gear, even though I basically never shift into it unless I'm at a stop.
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Double clutching is the best method I've found. Put the stick in neutral, let out the clutch, rev to an appropriate engine speed for your moving speed, clutch in, stick to 2. This also works well for 1st gear, even though I basically never shift into it unless I'm at a stop.
I usually double clutch, but I also usually forget to do the rev step. That's probably my problem.
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HEY EVERYONE!! I am in the process of buying a STI and I was just wondering if according to this, would the 5 speed be similar to the 6 speed in learning how to drive manual? -> If that makes sense?!?!

[quote=DrDRum]FWIW, I taught my wife with this exercise...go to a big, empty, no traffic, parking lot/side street. I copied this from a previous post I made...I hope it helps.

FIRST RULE OF MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS - When in doubt, push the clutch in. You can never go wrong with the clutch in. If your car starts to buck or you start to stall, push the clutch in. If you fell like you're going to fast, push the clutch in before you brake. Repeat this ten times over. Then repeat it again after you stall the first time. And repeat it every time you stall as you're learning.

Put it in neutral with the clutch in. Bring the rpms up to about 2000, and hold it there for about 15 seconds. Hold it right at 2000, get a feel for how touchy the gas pedal is. Bring it down to 1500, for a few seconds and come back up to 2000 (not 2200, 2000). Go back and forth between those a few times, just to get used to the gas. Do all this while still holding the clutch in (get those leg muscles used to holding it...they'll get strong eventually).

Next, with it still in first with the clutch in, start SLOWLY letting the clutch out. Very very slowly. Without any gas, don't do anything with the gas pedal. Eventually, you'll start to feel the clutch engaging the engine. This is the beginning of your clutch engagement point. Keep the releasing of the clutch slow slow slow. You'll start moving (don't panic, especially your left foot). After 60 seconds of slow release, your foot should be off the clutch completely, and you'll be rolling forward slowly (5 mph). Repeat this a few times, it'll take some getting used to. You're getting used to feeling the engagement of the engine throughout the clutch release.

Put it in neutral for a few minutes, you'll want to rest your left leg for few moments.

Put it in first gear with the clutch in. Hold the rpms at 2000 with the gas. Slowly start letting the clutch out like you did before. The idea here is that regardless of the clutch/gas positions, keep the rpms at 2000. At the beginning of the engagement as you're letting the clutch out, you'll see the rpms start to droop a little, and you'll start to move again. Add just a touch more gas to keep the rpms at 2000 before you let the clutch out anymore. Then let out the clutch a little more, and add a little more gas to keep it at 2000. Keep this going until eventually the clutch is all the way out. Stop. Repeat this a half a dozen times or more until you can get the release of the clutch to happen fluidly and evenly.
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