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Old 03-10-2002, 01:53 PM   #1
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How do these fit in the 02 RS. I know it says they have a deep mounting depth (2 7/16 or something like that) but are they easy to install.

I also read that water will run into the door. How do I waterproof my stuff so that no water will damage anything.

did a search on the speakers but couldn't find anything.

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Old 03-10-2002, 09:43 PM   #2
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Old 03-10-2002, 09:51 PM   #3
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Don't know about those speakers specifically, but here is a picture of my right front door with the stock speaker removed. You can see the clear plastic rainshield material rolled back (I replaced it around the speaker area with VB-2HD). The 3 screws holding the stock speaker in place are visible. To mount my 4-screw 6.5" woofer, I had to make a 0.5" thick spacer, so its magnet would clear the window when the window was down. See next post for picture of spacer, then a picture of spacer attached to door, and speaker attached to spacer.
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Old 03-10-2002, 09:55 PM   #4
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Here is a picture of my spacer. I cut it out of 0.5" thick HDPE plastic cutting board material, and added a foam gasket on the door side, so it would seal even on the uneven surface metal of the door. 1" #10/24 screws worked well to screw it in place on the door in the 3 stock screw holes. Before I attached it to the door, I pre-drilled small pilot holes for the 4 screws used to attach my speaker to the spacer ring.
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Old 03-10-2002, 09:58 PM   #5
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Here's the spacer screwed onto the door, with the woofer's speaker wire hanging out the opening (don't forget to deal with the wiring first!).
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Old 03-10-2002, 10:15 PM   #6
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Before attaching the speaker, I made a "rain shield" for it by taking a 7" XTC foam baffle (from Crutchfield), cutting it in half, and removing the "back" part. I then glued this with silicone adhesive (smells like vinegar while it cures) to the back rim, centered on the top of the speaker. To finish gasketing the back rim, I used some scrap from the foam baffle, completing a foam ring around the back rim of the speaker, with a curved "canopy" over the top, protecting the magnet, etc. from dripping water.
Then I screwed the speaker into the spacer ring with 4 screws, compressing the foam "gasket" between the metal speaker rim and the plastic spacer ring.

This is in general what you will have to do to mount your speaker unless it is very shallow and/or you have a premade 4-screw mounting ring/spacer/rain shield, which is apparently what the "upgraded" speakers come with.
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Old 03-11-2002, 12:40 AM   #7
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Thanks a lot!!! Just what I was looking for.

One more question. The components will have a crossover. Where would you suggest housing it?? If in the door how do I need to water proof it???

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Old 03-11-2002, 02:46 AM   #8
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Sorry, didn't realize those were components you had. Here's a picture of the inside of the door panel, unmodified, indicating where I decided to mount things. Since the crossover needs ventilation, I didn't see any way to waterproof it, but decided that putting it in the cavity under the armrest on the plastic door panel (inside the car from the moisture barrier membrane) should be good enough. Also, that meant one less set of quick-disconnects, because the tweeter would also be mounted on the door panel, so the only wires crossing from the door panel to the metal door itself are 2 for the incoming +/- signal into crossover and 2 for the outgoing +/- signal to the woofer.
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Old 03-11-2002, 02:55 AM   #9
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To mount the crossover, I placed it in the area dry, moved it around to find a flat section, then traced a pen outline around it on the plastic. I then scuffed (plastic ScotchBrite pad) and dusted the plastic of the door panel and the back of the crossover in this area so the adhesives would stick better. I bought the super-strength, 2-inch-wide "Velcro" brand velcro and some Marine Goop adhesive at Home Depot and attached the hook side to the door panel, and the fuzzy loop side to the crossover using both the adhesive provided on the back & a few narrow strips of the Goop (I pressed hard, too. I don't want the crossover to fall off!). Once the velcro had dried/cured O/N, I twisted the crossover fuzzy velcro side onto the hook side on the panel, and it held really well. Just in case, I mounted a pair of cable tie anchors next to the crossover and put in some cable ties to prevent the crossover from totally falling down if the velcro ever comes loose.
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Old 03-11-2002, 03:02 AM   #10
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To mount the tweeter, I cut a piece of scrap plastic to fit as shown in the 2nd picture, and cut out a hole to "flush-mount" the tweeter (1st picture). Note tweeter is aimed to side to point out angled "grille" built into door panel; I locked this in place with a dab of silicone adhesive.
To attach the tweeter/plastic assembly to the door panel, I used A LOT of Marine Goop on both ends, and clamped them in place O/N.
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Old 03-11-2002, 03:04 AM   #11
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Plastic is shown without all of tweeter installed for clarity, just before gluing in place.
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Tweeter assembly clamped O/N while glue cures.
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Old 03-11-2002, 03:23 AM   #13
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Finally, time to wire everything up as follows:
OEM wire to tweeter: ignored.
OEM wire to main speaker: unhooked from speaker, 2 push-in attachment points inside metal door detached from door so wire could be re-routed up and out of opening above speaker to connect (through connector adapter) to crossover input. This connector has 2 blades in a "T" arrangement. The "+" wire is the crossbar of the "T", the "-" wire is the vertical of the "T". You can get a standard ("OEM Toyota speaker connector adapter") adapter that plugs into this from e.g. Circuit City or other store with auto stereo install dept; ~$6 for 2.
Speaker wire from woofer to crossover: attached to speaker terminals inside door, then re-using push-in attachments from OEM wire, attached inside metal door at 2 original attachment points, and routed up and out of opening above speaker to connect (via 2 opposite-polarity quick-disconnects) to crossover woofer output.
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Old 03-11-2002, 03:29 AM   #14
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Final door panel ready to connect wires to main door and re-install. Tweeter is connected to crossover, woofer and main input wire stubs with quick-disconnects/adapters are ready, and longer wires are wrapped with gasketing foam tape to prevent rattling.
(loose wire in door panel photo is the woofer wire not yet installed; tube is silicone dieletric grease to squirt into every quick-disconnect connector before making connections in order to prevent water leakage from causing problems; get this stuff from auto parts store).
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Old 03-11-2002, 03:31 AM   #15
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Then, of course, you have to start thinking about Dynamat/VB-x installation on door and door panel...
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Old 03-11-2002, 03:53 AM   #16
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I dont know about the pioneers that you but the ones that I bought were water resistant http://www.audiomyth.com/AMStores/ShowListItems_InBrandName_Product.cfm?Manufacturer =Pioneer&ItemType=Speakers&StoreID=1&CountryID=212
not water proof but resistant. When I pulled out the stock speakers they poured out water so I figure that the ones I bought should be fine.

I used all the same mounting hard ware and mounted the crossover in the door. Drilled 2 hole in the metal towards the back of the door and low. There was a foam block there. Almost everything is about the same as a 2000 RS from what I can tell from the pics up top.

Since they have been in it has rained, rained, rained, snowed, and rained. Never have I had a problem with them, not once, and they do get wet some, but everything does in the west side of Washington state.

Good luck with the install. If you have any questions PM me or write in here.

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Old 03-11-2002, 10:17 PM   #17
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WOW

That is everything I could have ever asked!!! Thanks for all the great input!!
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Old 12-01-2005, 07:52 PM   #18
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i should have read this before i bought speakers. i spent some good money on infinity components for the fronts and infinity 2 ways for the rear...and they are awesome speakers, but the people at CIRCUIT CITY screwed my front doors up. my passenger side door panel doesnt attach to the door anymore unless it is pressing right up against the speaker cause it to sound like its blown and my crossovers are rusted out, and the area around the speakers where they screwed a spacer to is all chewed up now...if i had more thumbs id give this circuit city 4 thumbbs down for their install...and btw they wont fix it cause i didnt buy the city advantage plan for them
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