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Old 06-29-2002, 10:19 PM   #1
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Default sound deadening the roof

I finally got tired of the wind noise from my roof racks on my WRX wagon.

I bought some RAAMMAT60 to sound deaden the roof. I put on two layers of RAAMAT and it made a huge difference in the noise level. I was lao able to lower the sound level on my stereo by about a third. For my stereo I have a set of CDT components with an image dynamics subwoofer all powered by an A/D/S amp.

Took about 3 hours from start to finish. When you knock on the roof, the tin sound is gone....

Next will be the doors.

When I pulled the roof liner, I thought that there would be alittle amount of insulation, but there was NONE!

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Old 06-29-2002, 10:21 PM   #2
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Old 06-29-2002, 10:24 PM   #3
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Not the prettiest job, but it got the job done
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Old 06-29-2002, 10:24 PM   #4
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where did you buy this RAAMAT?? How much cheaper is this than the DynoMat?
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Old 06-29-2002, 10:26 PM   #5
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checkout the website raamaudio.com it was $99.00 for 60 square feet. Less expensive than dynomat. Should be enough for the roof and the doors.

He also sells this on EBAY and he also accepts PayPal.
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Old 06-29-2002, 10:31 PM   #6
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thats cool. I never thought about sound deadening the roof, ok well it never actually crossed my mind to actually make the car quieter
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Old 06-30-2002, 12:08 AM   #7
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How difficult was it pulling down the head liner? Funny you used the RAAMmat60, just got mine a couple wks ago and havent used any yet. I already used dynamat extreme on the doors and trunk lid and was thinking about where to use it next. There should be enough for the headliner and rest of the trunk and back doors using 1 layer, I hope Why did you feel the need to use 2 layers?
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Old 06-30-2002, 04:44 AM   #8
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are those clips on the roof one way? what's a good way to pull the head liner without breaking them?
i was so close to pulling it awhile ago but i chickened out!!

any more pics? please?
do you have to pull the c-piller cover? have you consider putting the mat on the rear fender? i think that would help a lot too
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Old 06-30-2002, 08:35 AM   #9
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Pulling the head liner is not that difficult, just takes time. Took me about 45 minutes to pull the headliner. If you have a sedan, then you will not be able to remove the headliner from the car, as I was able to with the wagon.

To remove the headliner, you need to remove the following:

The visors, lights, oh sh_t handles, the two funny screws in the middle of the roof liner, all of the pillars and the seatbelts.

I was just careful when pulling the clips and none of them broke. Which clips in particular are you talking about?

The reason why I used two layers is that if one was not enough, I did not want to go through it twice. Plus I thought that the mass of the product should help deaden more noise. REX, is this correct?

With all of this extra weight, I am glad that am getting the Vishnu stage 0 soon

The RAAMAT is nice stuff. The reason why I went with this product was so that I did not have to use a heat gun.

My next areas to concentrate on will be the following order: Doors, Floor (not sure what material to use, any suggestions) and the fender areas.

Sorry this is all of the pictures that I took. If you have any questions, drop me a line and I will be happy to answer them.

Good luck.

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Old 06-30-2002, 02:16 PM   #10
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Yeah, I guess the extra layer couldnt hurt, I see in the mags some of these guys putting 3,4 even 6 layers. Thats gotta be overkill not to mention all that weight. After putting a layer on the doors I was pretty impressed, and I didnt even do the whole door, just pieces cut to fit over all the openings. The mass of the product does enough to deaden the metal around it even if its not completely covered. I know, at this point its funny that I would skimp for weight savings puposes. But before buying the RAAMmat in bulk I was trying to get the most out of the dynamat as possible cause its so damned expensive. However, I was able to stretch both front doors and the trunk lid out of a dynamt door kit. So if your looking to sound deaden and not add too much weight it is possible.
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Old 07-01-2002, 03:36 AM   #11
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anyone done the rear fender on the wagon?

i put a few dynamat pieces on the front fender it sorta help

door definitely, i was at homedepot and i found some insulating expending foam
did the lower part of the rear door this weekend

also lined the door panels with silicone/chalk to weigh it down, oh also put weather stripping on the doors

now i just need better stereo

btw, the 2 funny clip on the roof was the one i was worry about
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Old 07-01-2002, 06:26 AM   #12
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Rex:

The other reason why I put two layers on the roof had to due with the loud sound my roof rack made at 45 mph. The sound was like that of an approaching train. This is the only way I could get my tandem to ride starts.

As for the doors, I was thinking of cutting the plastic piece inside the door liner where I can get to metal. This was I also protect the moving parts.

What do you think of this?

Thanks.
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Old 07-01-2002, 09:12 AM   #13
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How much could this stuff possiblly weigh that you guys are worried about weight?
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Old 07-01-2002, 11:26 AM   #14
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Eathan:

You are correct, as RAAMAT does not weigh that much, but I might start taking my car to the track. The whole roll weighs 28 pounds.

7 or 8 pounds on the roof made a huge difference.
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:04 PM   #15
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How much of the roll did you use on the roof?
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Old 07-01-2002, 04:07 PM   #16
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I used about a quarter of the roll, hence 7 pounds
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Old 07-01-2002, 09:10 PM   #17
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So, in the sedan it would be that much harder because you would have to work around the headliner while it was still in the car, right?
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Old 07-01-2002, 09:42 PM   #18
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Yes. Another reason to get a wagon
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Old 07-02-2002, 01:58 AM   #19
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ti, about the doors, I guess you could work around the plastic, but why bother? As far as I know a layer of RAAMmat/Dynamat should be very effective at holding moisture and sound waves. I doubt it would get waterlogged. What I did to let the door latch/rods move freely was leave the backing on right around the area. It was a time consuming, but it worked fine. If there is enough of the roll left I want to put a full layer on the doors and do the whole inner skin, on top of everthing. These MBQs need all the help they can get in the midbass, I like the idea of fiberglassing those baffles for the enclosure.
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Old 07-02-2002, 06:56 AM   #20
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Rex:

You are probably right about taking of the whole plastic. The raamat should be water proof as it is vinyl based. I think that I will cut the platic peice and tape it over the rods, then use the raamat. I am amazed at how much raamat you get for the money.

When removing the doors do you have to take off the plastic piece by the mirror?

Thanks.
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Old 07-02-2002, 06:47 PM   #21
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Yeah, the RAAMmat is realy a good deal. I used it today for the first time and it was exactly like the Dynamat Extreme that is sooo much more expensive. No smells and it goes on nice and easy. I did the spare tire well while I had the spare out. I was making a FG mold of the spare to make a sub enclosure for Whitewagon, and to have in case anyone else needs a spare enclosure made that retains the spare.
That black plastic piece that is right behind the mirror that sits a little higher than the door panel does not come off when you take the door panel off.
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Old 07-02-2002, 10:37 PM   #22
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Thanks. I am glad that you think that Raamat is similiar to Dynamat, as I have never seen Dyanamt.

Well doors this weekend.
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Old 01-09-2003, 03:05 PM   #23
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dang, i would hate to see your car get hit by
a hail storm... dentmasters will have a hell
of a time pushing the dents back up.
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Old 01-09-2003, 05:08 PM   #24
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I just started taking my "black triangle" of when I take the door panels off, makes getting doors back on much easier.
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Old 01-09-2003, 07:44 PM   #25
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[quote]Originally posted by kenchan
dang, i would hate to see your car get hit by
a hail storm... dentmasters will have a hell
of a time pushing the dents back up.
[/QUOTE

i never thought of that!

in all seriousness though, the wind noise is almost unbearable when the snowboard rack is up there...with or without snowboards.
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