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Old 02-26-2003, 01:31 PM   #1
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Default Donuting at the beach > broke PS pump

Has anyone gone drifting/donuting at the beach with your WRX? I recently did that and when I got back on the road, I realized that at low speeds or under braking or in neutral, I don't have any power steering at all. I let the Subaru dealer checked my power steering problem, and they said that the power steering pump is not holding pressure. The replacement is $650!

Anyway, what could I have done to prevent this from happening? (other than not going) My friend told me that I could have pulled out the power steering fuse and would not worry about getting it messed up on the sand.

Any recommendations or thoughts?

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Old 02-26-2003, 02:18 PM   #2
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broke mine doing donuts too... but it was a ee fix... why isn't it being covered? If my pump wasnt free I would have yanked the whole ps out

You can do donuts but dont lock the wheel when you do it.
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Old 02-26-2003, 03:59 PM   #3
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Why should Subaru pay for the repair when the failure was due to owner abuse. The 2002 Impreza Owner's Manual states on p. 7-20 in bold letters:
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Do not hold the steering wheel at the fully
locked position left or right for more than five
seconds. This may damage the power steer-
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Duh!
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Old 02-26-2003, 04:03 PM   #4
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The WRX PS pumps are covered under warrantee. I was told 1.5 years ago that to expect a silent recall on the pumps if I came in with issues. This was a SOA insider (yea, I know) employee.

So what if you did donuts in the sand, the PS pump is a sealed unit. No way for sand to goof it up. I would scream and demand a warrantee.

Mine continues to be stiff when first starting the engine up and then trying to turn to the left. Mine was delivered in March 2001 and I have not had the loose PS lines like a lot of the 1st batches had. I checked my lines for tightness and leaks.

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Old 02-26-2003, 04:14 PM   #5
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So what if you did donuts in the sand, the PS pump is a sealed unit. No way for sand to goof it up. I would scream and demand a warrantee.
It doesn't matter whether you're doing donuts in the sand, snow or on ice. If you keep the steering wheel locked long enough, you WILL break the power steering pump.
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Old 02-26-2003, 04:32 PM   #6
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It doesn't matter whether you're doing donuts in the sand, snow or on ice. If you keep the steering wheel locked long enough, you WILL break the power steering pump.
Yes I have the same disclaimer in my Mazda Protege and GTX manuals. But there are "Plenty" of drivers out there that will turn the wheel all the way one direction and hold it there.
Failure? PS pumps would die left and right if they were so fragile.

I still "think" he should call SOA hotline and get this settled.

Is that better, can you understand it now? Does my grammar make you crazy?

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Old 02-26-2003, 04:36 PM   #7
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blackwrx127

what beach did you go to?? i have been looking for a good beach to go to, maybe other than surfside
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Old 02-26-2003, 05:16 PM   #8
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I did em on crystal just this last weekend...
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Old 02-26-2003, 07:47 PM   #9
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I blew mine driving around in a construction site.
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Old 02-26-2003, 07:56 PM   #10
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Yes I have the same disclaimer in my Mazda protege and GTX manuals. But there are lots of drivers out there that will trun the wheel all the way one direction and hold it there. The PS will overheat but it should not fail in that little of seconds.

I stiil say he should call SOA hotline and get this settled.
Never take a dealers word for anything, and if you are not happy take it to another dealer.

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I guess the point is that there is a warning. I was taught never to hold the wheel all the way to one side in any car. 20 yrs later, I still don't. We don't know how long he was out there or how hard he was holding the wheel in the "max" posistion. I don't think it's fair to assume Subaru should replace this under warranty.
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Old 02-26-2003, 10:01 PM   #11
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Yes I have the same disclaimer in my Mazda protege and GTX manuals. But there are lots of drivers out there that will trun the wheel all the way one direction and hold it there. The PS will overheat but it should not fail in that little of seconds.

I stiil say he should call SOA hotline and get this settled.
Never take a dealers word for anything, and if you are not happy take it to another dealer.

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I should have realized earlier that English isn't your first language. But I agree with you. He should just call the SOA hotline, explain what he was doing just prior to the problem, and get it settled, once and for all. No need to shop around for shady Subaru dealerships.
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Old 02-26-2003, 10:08 PM   #12
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Why should Subaru pay for the repair when the failure was due to owner abuse. The 2002 Impreza Owner's Manual states on p. 7-20 in bold lettersuh!


CAUTION
Do not hold the steering wheel at the fully
locked position left or right for more than five
seconds. This may damage the power steer-
ing pump.
From what it states is that it "MAY" cause damage. Just a disclaimer!
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Old 02-26-2003, 11:04 PM   #13
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Yep. Just like this "disclaimer" from page 3-12:
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Do not operate the engine with the oil pres-
sure warning light on. This may cause serious
engine damage.
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Old 02-27-2003, 08:49 AM   #14
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I'm beginning to like Jon's sarcastic humor, ahh, maybe I'm just up too early.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...Power+steering

Here is an thread that pretty much sums up this thread in the first post..

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Old 02-27-2003, 09:38 AM   #15
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Ummm. No offense, but if you ever watch the Mischief DVD, there is a guy in some high end BMW doing donuts and he blows his power steering. Ever wonder why it made that horrible noise when the wheel is turned full lock? Its the inevitable sound of you breaking your car. Enjoy the results.

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Old 02-27-2003, 03:42 PM   #16
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Unfortunately, I didn not know that if u keep the steering wheel locked in one place, then it'll break the ps pump. Thanks for the heads up <b>Jon in CT</b>.

I know it's my fault. What's even worse is when I brought the car back to the dealer, my mileage was 36,100 miles. They said they would fix it under the factory warranty if only it was under 36k.

Yes, I did it at Crystal Beach at 3:30am. It was pitch-black there. No lights or anything. It's very wide open and good for playing around in your subie.

My question is, is there a power steering fuse that can be pulled out that I won't break the power steering pump? If not, then I guess I'll have to keep myself from locking the wheel for 5 seconds.

Thanks for all the information guys.

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Old 02-27-2003, 03:57 PM   #17
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Wait, they said the would fix it under warranty if it was 100miles younger? You have to say something, I mean, I don't know I would be pissed. Tell them that it broke at 35,998 miles but that you had to drive to work, the grocery store, and your Mr. Roger's neighborhood before you went to the dealer so they should fix it! Seriously.
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Old 02-27-2003, 05:17 PM   #18
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Wow I never knew that.

I learned something today
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Old 02-27-2003, 06:58 PM   #19
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Yeah tell them that it broke before 36000 if it did.I had a ford truck last year it had about 10 miles before it broke the warranty period so I called the nearest dealership to my office and they told me if I drove it in they would not cover it under warranty so I callewd around till I found one that would its all about tthe dealership you choose. Oh one more thing the ford wasnt mine it was the companies I could never buy a ford again after the taurus I had
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Old 02-27-2003, 08:21 PM   #20
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I have an extra Power steering pump. Good condition off a JDM WRX. Has zero miles. Contact me if you need it.

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Old 02-27-2003, 09:46 PM   #21
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i heard you can also "pinch" the power steering lines?

oh btw: my steering pump isn't working either.
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Old 02-27-2003, 10:57 PM   #22
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Yes I have the same disclaimer in my Mazda Protege and GTX manuals. But there are "Plenty" of drivers out there that will turn the wheel all the way one direction and hold it there.
Failure? PS pumps would die left and right if they were so fragile.

I still "think" he should call SOA hotline and get this settled.

Is that better, can you understand it now? Does my grammar make you crazy?

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