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Old 05-10-2003, 05:52 PM   #1
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Default My N/A 1/4 mile time no nitrous (11:1 comp 8,000 rpm redline)!

Hey guys I got back form the track, it was good fun and not too many people where there, which was nice...anyway heres some times.

R/T: .52 (my best today was .18)
1/8: 9.1
60': 1.9
E.T:14.396
MPH: 94.1

So this is my N/A no nitrous run. But a few things i need to say.

Im using Unichip management and the redline is set at 8,000rpm (I usually shift at 7,500rpm, since it is lean after that and runs out of breath, new management will help) but every run, the car would hit the stock rev limiter momentarily (very violent) and then keep going to 7,500 rpm no problem (a very big hiccup). This happend once on my 14.3 run, and Im sure it hurt my time. It happend twice or three times on my others and really killed my time (14.5-6), I had no perfectly smooth runs unfortunatly. So I wish the car was behaved better, but it still did just fine for me.

The Unichip is going to be changed for EMS stand alone management in a week or two. The unichip is not enough for tuning this car and we are missing power because of it. Mind you the unichip is tuned a well as it can get, but the unichip can only do so much. So with the standalone and the 9lb flywheel and bored tb being installed in a week or so i think I can touch 13's. What do you guys think? This car is in need of proper engine management, ther motor isnt at its potential yet i don't think.

Anyway, here's my mods:

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Stromung cat back
Random tech hi flow cat
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Redline set at 8,000 rpm

So in a week or two Ill have the stand alone, 9 lb flywheel and the bored TB on the car, so im going to go back to the track after that is done and we'll see what happens. Im also going to put on my stock rims and winter tires, i used my 17" rims, I didnt have time to change them. Thanks for any questions or comments guys, I appreciate it!

Dan

There is video too, not sure if they got this run though 9I think so), but we'll find out. They got lots of them though.
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Old 05-10-2003, 11:55 PM   #2
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YAY! We finally get to see the runs. Yeah with standalone management, I think 13s are there! How were the launches going also? You had great reaction times, I bet your 60s could possibly go down to high 1.8s which will just blast you down the track. Where is the track at also?

Glad to see you finally got the N/A beast out!!! Hope to see what you times will be in a week or two!

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Old 05-11-2003, 12:38 AM   #3
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Default Re: My N/A 1/4 mile time no nitrous (11:1 comp 8,000 rpm redline)!

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R/T: .52 (my best today was .18)
1/8: 9.1
60': 1.9
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How did you do Dcoty at the track? I need some numbers. I'll take a wild pessimistic guess and say you ran between a 14.2-14.4 (if 60ft between 1.8-1.9) in the 1/4 mile @92-93mph. Am I right? I know I could be way off but I hate it when people say things like, "yeah that's what I thought" without letting you know beforehand.

I hope everything went well and way better then what I posted.


Hey Dcoty, am I good or what? I'm posting this in your N/A thread as well. Now, I'm the only person who won't be B.S. ing when they say what they thought you might run. And I posted this a whole week before you ran. Congrats!

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Old 05-11-2003, 02:18 AM   #4
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Ruff, pm'd you man!

Kevin- Woah! Thats right you totally called that one to the dot! Nice job man (maybe you jinxed me! lol). Yeah it was hot today, I would liek to go at night and at least gett he stock rims on to do a comparison. Man, nice estimate on that one, i cant believe it! Im going to mess around at the track during my free time and really try to nail my 60 foot times.

One dillema im having is Im shifting from 3rd @ 7,500 rpm to 4th for only a small stretch at the end on the track, i tried to stay in 3rd to 8,000 rpm which i did one run and Im still not sur what i should do since it runs out of breath above 7,500 rpm, so i have to experiment with that too. Tnanks for the replies guys! Keep em commin!

Dan

PS: The track is in Napierville Quebec (on the 15 south towards the US boarder, very close), and its a small town with a few motels, some gas stations and the track.
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Old 05-11-2003, 05:52 PM   #5
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congrats on the time. You are definatly going where no man has gone before on this club

I am kinda surprised your not in the 13s and havn't broken 100mph yet, but I assume thats mostly in the tuneing.

I was wondering if you plan on getting some dyno numbers? That way you might be able to see where you should be shifting so you can keep in the peak part of your power curve.

also, while I know this is a money issue and most of us arn't made of money. I would suggest you toss those headers for a twe, mrt setup. While the borlas are great, they don't flow like others which have been proven to pull more power out of the car. (or at least this is what I recall when I used to be N/A).

Again, congrats on your time. Now upload some sound clips dag nabbit
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Old 05-11-2003, 06:29 PM   #6
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DocrorNick- Yup, its allin the tuning, the Unichip isnt really holding things together, thats why ems is taking over in that department, we even called the Unichip distrubuter and they were amazed that we could even get the car to run reasonably with it on my setup and they strongly suggested to change management, they said I am missing about 20% of my power.

I am eventually going to sell my borlas to get equal length headers, so right now Im selling parts to exchange them for new ones. i will miss the boxer sound!

I was expexting low 14's considering the way the car was acting (with the big hiccup at the stock reline) it is as if I were to lift off and go back on the gas trying to get a good time, it just isnt really possible. But all in all i was very happy with my 14.3, but 13's will come soon enough, the engine is not at its potential yet.

Thanks for the reply/comments man!
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Old 05-11-2003, 07:56 PM   #7
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Heehee, and wasn't I the one all this time telling ya to get some EMS Well I wouldn't be worried about loosing the boxer sound as I don't think I have heard a bad header back. While I don't like the sound of some mufflers, the catback your using is pretty nice sounding so I don't think your gonna loose much sound quality at all.

I am kinda stunned that they said about missing 20% of your power. Because if thats the case, your easly in the 13s again, get some sound clips up. I wanna hear ahigh compression n/a ej25 If you need hosting contact me. I think I got a few megs open under my name.
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Old 05-11-2003, 09:54 PM   #8
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Yeah, me too, it is a high number but both companies agreed that the gains with switching to stand alone would be very very good (both estimated 20% which is optimistic in my opinion), but either way, the engine has more left to give.

Im hoping for 13's and its all a metter of getting this stuff in ther car and tuning it. Its a good thing i work with my fiend (we share a small business) so we choose out work schedule. if Ineed to go get somehing done to my car, i just go! Thanks man, the in and out of car video is comming!
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Old 05-12-2003, 12:05 AM   #9
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Old 05-12-2003, 12:16 AM   #10
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and heres me vs. Dan. You can heard my friend say "well, that was pretty bad" in reference to my launch....

THANKS BUDDY!

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Old 05-12-2003, 01:16 AM   #11
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Thansk goose you rule!

My launch in the in car view was pretty bad, i bogged! I ran a 14.5 on that run, i think my 60' time is what killed it (obviously). do you guys see the end of the 1/4 by those orange cones? Im shifting to 4th right before it, or I can stay in 3rd to 8,000 rpm but i feel like the car runs out of breath a bit, what dou you guys think? I have to go back and test it out some more.

Thanks goose! And to be honest, the run which he filmed of both of us wasnt are best of the day, i hope it wasnt the one where I missed third. That was a fun day, we need to get some other vids too. And I need to get my launch better, my best 60' was a 1.99.

And, as it would have it, the filmed run, the car diddnt hiccup! Man, that really sucks, please beileve me everyone , this is so typical!

Dan

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Old 05-12-2003, 01:40 AM   #12
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Strange, the in car view made me think i was in my car... sounded just like it, atleast like mine when near redline (before this new exhaust of mine ). Third gear didnt seem to be pulling as hard as it should.. or maybe its just me. It looks crazy fast in the out of car view though. I really think you need that stand alone!
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Old 05-12-2003, 08:28 AM   #13
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it only looks crazy fast cause I kept bogging at every launch!
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What were your tire pressures (front and rear) on your runs? What is the max tire pressure you can run on your current tires?


Also, screw the stock tires and wheels. As much as I'd like to see you hit 13's, you want to be able to hit 13s in your everyday street setup right? I think you can do it with everything you have right now. Take tiny steps and improvements until you can get your as fast as you can with your current tires/wheels THEN make the big switch to stock rims/winter tires.

I can almost put $$$ on it that you can get your car down to a 13.9-14.1 (Maybe 13.8) by adjusting your tire pressure, playing with launch techniques and changing your shift points. Oh yeah and catering to your fuel issues but that's later with your new engine management.

If you haven't done this (and these may be a stupid suggestions) but if you don't get wheel hop after launching, do this (on at least two runs ):

1) Keep shifting at 7500rpm,

2) Run all your tires at max tire pressures and go slowly through the water box to get them nice and wet,

3) Launch your car 300rpm higher than what you have been launching at. Your wet tires will be spinning and won't bit so hard (no or less bogging).

Those are my poor suggestions! L8Rs

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Old 05-12-2003, 05:55 PM   #15
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What were your tire pressures (front and rear) on your runs? What is the max tire pressure you can run on your current tires?


Also, screw the stock tires and wheels. As much as I'd like to see you hit 13's, you want to be able to hit 13s in your everyday street setup right? I think you can do it with everything you have right now. Take tiny steps and improvements until you can get your as fast as you can with your current tires/wheels THEN make the big switch to stock rims/winter tires.

I can almost put $$$ on it that you can get your car down to a 13.9-14.1 (Maybe 13.8) by adjusting your tire pressure, playing with launch techniques and changing your shift points. Oh yeah and catering to your fuel issues but that's later with your new engine management.

If you haven't done this (and these may be a stupid suggestions) but if you don't get wheel hop after launching, do this (on at least two runs ):

1) Keep shifting at 7500rpm,

2) Run all your tires at max tire pressures and go slowly through the water box to get them nice and wet,

3) Launch your car 300rpm higher than what you have been launching at. Your wet tires will be spinning and won't bit so hard (no or less bogging).

Those are my poor suggestions! L8Rs
I'll put $$$ down that you'll get booted for dragging water into the staging lanes....don't do that please!
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I'll put $$$ down that you'll get booted for dragging water into the staging lanes....don't do that please!
Depends on where you race at. When you go to Atco Raceway in Atco, N.J. you are forced to go through the water (there is no way around it). Since you are forced to go through the water, you might as well go slowly since you can not do a burnout.

This never hurt anything at this track and they have lots of big events there. And no-one has EVER been booted. If your track is setup this way, Do it! Your tranny will love this.

If your track is not setup this way, go through the water box and floor it or dump the clutch. No need to do a burnout (or try). Your tires will have a little bit of condensation on it but not dripping or running off. I've done this for years and no-one seem to mind at any of the tracks I've been at.

You still want to put some $$$ down? I got $50 saying I can do this. I'll send a video of it to you and you can Paypal me at my email address.

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The officials at Napierville could care less if you roll through the water box. I did it in my Audi last time I was there and they didn't say a thing.

As an interesting note, Dcoty (I'm his brother) ran a 15.0@94 with a 2.0 60' time last summer but didn't post the results. This was stock internals mild cams, and a zex 55 shot with a badly slipping clutch. Provides for interesting comparison. His car can run easy 13s with a little more work. Last time we went he was running 45-50psi in his tires so i expect he was running the same this time, but he will have to say for sure what he was running.
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and heres me vs. Dan. You can heard my friend say "well, that was pretty bad" in reference to my launch....

THANKS BUDDY!

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Ahhhhhhh!!!! What codec was used to compress those vids? I can hear the sound but can't decompress any video. NoooooooO!!!!!

BTW....The audio was all I needed to hear that the car sounds like one bad mother on horse steroids. Way to go bro.
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really? seems to work for everyone else. It was taken with a Canon S200 digi-cam, so whatever codec they use, I guess. Its just a little .avi!



EDIT: try to open it with Quicktime or something
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Thumbs up dCoty...

..I'm very proud of your times and even more very happy to see that somebody has fallowed my quest for N/A improvements. I have to tell you that with all those mods you have in your baby you should have high 13's for sure.
I did some research on my times history and found this:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2F4+mile+times

Those days I didn't have so many mods as you ..so my friend keep going you have it ...(makes me a little bit jealous . You should work on weight, If you dont want to mess with bumper beams, try light wheels, and alluminum hood.

Mr. Kevin Thomas will also give you some advice

Again congrats

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Andres the N/A God speaks! *Bow, Bow* You're the official speaker in this realm.

So you thinking about going down the N/A road again?
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..hi my friend, I knew you were going to read this

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...Kevin:
Right know I'm getting ready to move to Minneapolis for school, trying to get rid of my VW Cabrio so I can get a Subaru again.

Feeling "sick" to see al these stories about N/A and I don't have my baby anymore

One day...

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Please let us all know when you get another scooby to work on N/A. I'll be looking forward to it. Perhaps you should get an SVX. Can't imagine what some good heads (), porting and spicy cams would do on that car. Hope to see you back.

Ok..um..*cough, cough* back to Dcoty!
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Sorry guys, i disappeared for a while.

Andreas, thanks for the good words my firend, good to know you are taking the occasional peek at what im doing and letting me know youy opinion, i really appreciate it. You definitly gave the push in this direction to be perfectly honest!

I hope you get into a suby soon enough. And I always thought an SVX, RS tranny and full N/A built would be a ton of fun!

Kevin- I diddnt change my tire pressures, I should have but I diddnt, I wanted to get used to the car and just trying different shift points (no excuse though, i was lazy!), Im going to go this weekend again hopefully at night. I will change tire pressures and play with launch techniques and shift points...Ill leave a lot of time for myself to get a good run figured out. I completely agree with your suggestions and i will follow them the next time i go, thanks man!

Keep the comments coming guys, ill go this weekend hopefully and take all the suiggestions into consideration, im going to try to get the best time out of the car as it is now, and there is plenty of little things to work on.

Thanks everyone!

Dan

Rob- interesting how i trapped at the same speed, i diddnt notice that...
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