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Old 12-06-2003, 09:12 PM   #1
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Default phase1 vs phase 2 ej22

I just saw the other thread about some of the differences between the two engines. I forgot about the changes. Couple of questions.

What year = what phase?

What are the differences. Intake mani gasket, compression, bore and stroke, etc...

Whats with the 2port heads vs single port for the exhaust?

I'm replacing my stock 1.8L and probably ordering the longblock on Monday so I should probably know this info first.


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Old 12-07-2003, 05:03 AM   #2
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There are actually a couple different varients of EJ22's in terms of actual parts. Ive counted 4, each with different HP numbers.

Anyway, the single port heads are actually in the more recent models... 99-01 I believe. And there was discussion before about how the MY96 EJ22 had lighter weight rocker arms that might add horsepower to other model EJ22's, but thats kind of off topic...

Here are the HP/Torque numbers for various years:

99-01: Horsepower: 142 hp Max Horsepower: 5600 rpm Torque: 149 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 3600 rpm

97-98: Horsepower: 137 hp Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 145 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4000 rpm

95-96: Horsepower: 135 hp Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 140 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4400 rpm

93-94: Horsepower: 130 hp Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 137 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4400 rpm

The bore and strocke are same on the 93-96 2.2's, 3.82x2.95 but the compression ratio is 9.7:1 for the 95-96 as opposed to 9.5:1 for the 93-94. The camshaft elevation is different between the two as well as the valve spring height. The main bearing journal diameter is different along with the connecting rod journal diameter (slightly, .0001 difference). The piston ring gap bottom compression is different between the two. I cant tell if any part numbers are different though, im just looking at specification numbers from my chiltons guide. Sucks there isnt a newer guide for the other models though... Cant help past MY96





I only have specific information for up to MY96.
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Old 12-07-2003, 08:11 PM   #3
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which one of the 2.2l engine could I get into my car without changing too much of my car's current configuration?

I want to put in the newest 2.2 possible, but at the same time keep it as simple as plugging it in without any rewiring. My car is a 90 2.2, so which one in your opinion would be the good choice?

btw, my engine is the same as your listed 93-94, I would assume that the engines were updated for both the legacy and the impreza, right?

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Old 12-08-2003, 02:25 AM   #4
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The 90 legacy 2.2 has the same specs as thee 93-94, yes. A 95 engine would probably be the most compatible with that one, but really only the compression ratio is slightly different which gives that extra HP... However you might want to think about running different heads on one of the blocks, like say 97-98 heads on a 95-96 block, I dont really know, I havent done alot of ressearch into 2.2's in terms of which ones work with which cars, etc. I do know that for the price, might as well get a 2.2T engine.
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Old 12-08-2003, 03:10 AM   #5
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i would say go with the 90 to 94, the 95 is obd II and well that would be lots of wires for just adding a 2.2
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If you going to turbo the motor you should go with the legacy turbo block. They go from $600 to $1500 for new short blocks, they are phase 1 blocks but have oil squrters and a few places offer them with sti ver7, ver8 phase 2 cranks.

The what year = what phase question is hard, a few people have seen some strange blocks so its hard tell. I think 8Complex has talked about it in a few places. I think 98 is when subaru says they went from phase 1 to 2.
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Old 12-08-2003, 02:57 PM   #7
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Toto, here's the thing. I might be moving soon and I just need the car working for about 9 months. I can pick up a 2.2 N/A long block for about $250 which should last. After I get moved and settled or not moved and settled, I'll pick up the 2.2T long block for about $600 and have it rebuilt prior to installing it in my car.

If I had $1500 laying around then it wouldn't be a big deal, I would already have a rebuilt 2.2T engine running in my car.

As for the turbo, there's no way I'm going back, I'm addicted to boost. It's not that I'm "going to turbo," I have been boosting the Impreza since 99

After reading this thread, a 90-95 2.2 sounds like the best bet.

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Old 01-08-2004, 06:29 PM   #8
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UPDATE: got the 95 2.2L n/a engine in the car with the 1.8L top end and sensors. Just need to finish up the wiring, install the turbo etc...

Hopefully I'll get it done today.

The 2.2 set me back $350 after shipping, hopefully all is well. Oh and there were metal shavings in my oil pan and part of a piston ring. Maybe that's why the 1.8 lost compression on that cylinder.

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The 2.2 set me back $350 after shipping, hopefully all is well. Oh and there were metal shavings in my oil pan and part of a piston ring. Maybe that's why the 1.8 lost compression on that cylinder.

Chad
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I keep hearing stuff like that about piston rings... makes me wonder if I should get some beefier ones.
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