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Old 02-19-2004, 01:30 AM   #1
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Default this should be the last ej22t thread...

Hey, Ive been browsing these boards a ton looking for the best build on an ej22t and what tranny to use and whatnot for a swap into an rs. is there Anyway someone could make a sticky or gather all the CORRECT information on what is involved in the swap and what parts work from what car and just everything needed for the swap. I dont think this has been done, if it has send me to the site please. I dont know if anyone has the time or patience to do this but if you do....thank you in advance.
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Old 02-19-2004, 10:18 AM   #2
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Old 02-20-2004, 01:53 PM   #3
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Start posting information/links. I can generate the sticky, but I don't have the time to go through and hunt down what is correct and what isn't.

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Old 02-20-2004, 11:25 PM   #4
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Furthermore there is no set formula. A lot of this is AFI forum material and not Conversion forum stuff. The reason being that the heads on the EJ22T are an issue and there is a ton of experimentation going on. Some guys are using EJ20's, others are using EJ25's, and both of the SOHC and DOHC variety. And other than Marc Rameriz's, not many of them have been running long enough to draw serious conclusions. Of course, the Rigolis down under have been playing with the EJ22T formula for years.

And then part two is the wiring. It is kind of bacjward to take an RS and rewire it to the OBD-I wiring and ECU of an EJ22T becuase they only made 160h[ and were not intercooled from the factory. With stock engine management and injectors, 240hp is about the max you can get from a true Legacy Turbo swap. So if you are going to go further than that, it just makes sense to do it from the get go.

And then if you are converting a '94 Impreza to a Legacy Turbo, it is a fairly straight forward conversion as far as rewiring is concerned (on the scale of things, not easy if you can't do wiring and pinouts, just most similar to a Legacy harness layout). And just so you know, USDM Legacies have a ton of similarities to early WRX's, so a number of things apply.

So, do you see why there is so much confusion and discussion of what will and what will not work?
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Old 02-21-2004, 01:11 AM   #5
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I dont think this needs to be a sticky... the info has been covered before in many places under many different types of set ups all of them are the 'CORRECT' setup for that person. You have to ask
What car is this going into? what kind of power do you want out of it? how much are you willing to spend? Then start reading threw the ej22 threads... the info is out there, and to put in all in one thread is a lot of work. I think the search works fine... hell most of my posts are just me useing the search and showing people where to look.
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Old 02-21-2004, 01:29 PM   #6
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I believe he was trying to just get one thread where all the info about the ej22t could be found. I agree it should bein the aftermarket forced induction thread....or even the "other" factory fi thread. but, i wouldnt mind having a sticky with all sorts of links to ej22t threads dealing with various topics. I mean, the engine itself is stuck inbetween the 2.0 and the 2.5 so people have a lot of questions. Like, if a turbo sizing for various amounts of boost, fuel rails, upgradable injectors, what intake manifold to use, not use. I personally dont know but i remember seeing the exact specs of this particular enhine in one thread, but no one ever confimed if they were correct(ex. bore, stroke, stock compression, cc's of heads, etc). I really feel he was just trying to gather all the info about the ej22t and put in in one location, whether it be via link or people posting new replys, or whatever. I dunno, i have done numerous searches, and i came up with info. But, i must search everytime to find any info that i actually need. Not always a problem, but unlike the ej20 info that is overflowing, there isnt a whole lot about the turbo 2.2L.
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Old 02-21-2004, 06:16 PM   #7
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Ya, but thats going to take someone a lot of time, and unless hes doing it.

Also the things like injectors, rails, and differnt turbos cant realy be layed out in a FAQ. They are user specific.... to lay out all the turbos and injectors someone would use is... well days worth of work. All of the info has been covered before, thats why the search is there.... it works realy well.
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Old 02-22-2004, 03:18 PM   #8
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yes, searching is an amazing thing. Just, if there was a sticky somewhere with a bunch of links to diff 2.2L specific topics there would be a lot less un educated posts about the ej22t....we can hope anyways.

It would take time. But if everyone pitched in and submitted some info/links...i think it would be possible.
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Old 02-22-2004, 07:54 PM   #9
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As I said: start posting links in here and I can make something of it. Personally, I would like to put all of the hybrid blocks into the Subaru Conversions forum instead of mostly in the AFI or 2.0L forums. This would be a step in the right direction.

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Old 02-23-2004, 12:08 AM   #10
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yes, searching is an amazing thing. Just, if there was a sticky somewhere with a bunch of links to diff 2.2L specific topics there would be a lot less un educated posts about the ej22t....we can hope anyways.

It would take time. But if everyone pitched in and submitted some info/links...i think it would be possible.
All... right ill see what I can come up with in a bit.
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Old 02-23-2004, 12:31 AM   #11
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Old 02-23-2004, 12:47 AM   #12
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A few notes... the block is not the same as the 22b, the 22b doesnt have oil squters. The heads on this block are week, RS heads and wrx heads will out flow them. Its a phase 1 block and all the stigma that comes along with that. There are places like axis and I-speed that use the block in there built bottom ends. They rework it so its a phase 2 block.

2.5L DOHC heads on EJ22T block
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

Mike Sheilds article on which JDM EJ20's are closed or semi closed
http://www.legacycentral.org/library/mike_turbo.htm

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

22b converstion...
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

Which short block is better?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

destroked a 2.2l (not a good idea. The 2.2 has the same stroke
as the 2.0 so it wouldnt make any sense to go less.)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

2.2 swap into 2001 rs
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

Rebuilding one.
http://www.mygyroplane.com/overhaulej22.pdf

EJ22 turbo w/EJ20G heads?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

EJ22T into GC6 Question
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22

22 NA head on 22t block
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=ej22T+ej22
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Old 02-24-2004, 05:50 PM   #13
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And this is why I dont belive in stickys. Todays thread showed the liners on the 2.2 vs 2.0 ej207 vs 2.5 ej257.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...35#post5791135
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Old 02-25-2004, 04:12 PM   #14
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Excellent info toto. If any thread should be stickied... this should be for subaru engine info.
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Old 02-25-2004, 04:27 PM   #15
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Excellent info toto. If any thread should be stickied... this should be for subaru engine info.
Well if you want to make it into that, I could find info on the ej257 and built blocks.... maybe later.
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The thread is turning out well so far. Maybe not all ej22T specific...but every bit as informative. thanks to everyone who has contributed. :-)
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Old 03-20-2004, 11:52 PM   #17
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Old 03-22-2004, 10:25 AM   #18
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good links wedge... is it running yet?


a few questions about a 22t in an 00 rs
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...69#post6027969
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Old 03-24-2004, 11:11 PM   #19
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Totoherbs: "RS heads and wrx heads will out flow them."
Stock to stock comparison yes.

If you consider the money needed to properly adapt other heads to the block and the replacement pistons to match plus the correct throttle body and rewire of the electonics it ends up being FAR cheaper to keep the stock heads and have them ported+polished and larger valves.

In short, stock EJ22T heads can perform as well or better and end up costing less in the end.
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Maybe in a car with out any motor or in a car with a 2.2 already.... but in a RS or WRX you are better off just tossing the heads and useing the short block.

I also think if you are thinking about doing this swap in a older impreza or legacy you should just do a wrx swap and then later if you need more get in ej22.
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Old 04-04-2004, 02:52 PM   #21
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I have some questions...

Oil feed for turbo?


And what is this for or what do we do with it?


Great thread BTW.
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I cant realy tell what were looking at in thoes pics...
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Jetfan8178: 1st pic- Yes you can use that to feed oil to the turbo, 2nd pic- Just tee that sucker off to the crankcase breathers.

Totoherbs: Yep, she's runnin! Next month it gets tuned by AZScoobie!
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I have recently purchased an entire 2.2T from a 91 Legacy; I have a few questions:
My application will be stroking it to 2.5, using JUN 264 cams with ported WRX heads, and running 23-24 psi (FP 20G) of boost with alcohol inj. (basically the same as I've done for the last year)

1) Does the intake manifold flow better than the stock WRX?

2) Can I use the stock 2.2T cam gears (I doubt it, but I thought I'd ask)

3) Are the 2.2T heads, crank, rods, etc. worth anything? Basically, all that I bought the engine for was the block. Thanks for the help.


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I have recently purchased an entire 2.2T from a 91 Legacy; I have a few questions:
My application will be stroking it to 2.5, using JUN 264 cams with ported WRX heads, and running 23-24 psi (FP 20G) of boost with alcohol inj. (basically the same as I've done for the last year)

1) Does the intake manifold flow better than the stock WRX?

2) Can I use the stock 2.2T cam gears (I doubt it, but I thought I'd ask)

3) Are the 2.2T heads, crank, rods, etc. worth anything? Basically, all that I bought the engine for was the block. Thanks for the help.


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Cam gears... I dont know... the jun cams are no avcs so maybe. But I dont know for sure. The only intake manifold doesnt flow any better then a wrx one. ver 8 jdm sti's have a different intake manifold tho. Some think the intake manifold is why #4 runs hot.

I would take to aixs or i-speed/crawford about the cams... they have used them.

The rods are on the small side... and the crank is a phase one.

STEALTH-WRX has a block much like yours. 2.2t worked to 2.5 by crawford performance. But his blew do to JE pistons and a bad builder. None of that being Crawfords fault, stealth just got the bare block no internals from them. The builder who put it togeather for stealth was at fault for useing cheep JE pistons and badly set ring lands. Now the block is in Crawfords hands getting a refresh and some nice CP pistons.

Good luck! Hope you have a good builder.
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