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Old 03-18-2014, 03:57 AM   #151
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Too much arguing going on, not required. Just looking at the facts, for example, that dyno sheet with the COBB watermark, clearly shows problems with the stock tune... that's a fact... if the engines break or not, because of personal driving habits or whatnot, it makes no difference to the fact that the stock map endangers the engine, and must be reflashed as soon as possible. This I can deduct from the dyno sheet, not an opinion but a fact based in data... Mine has around 50k miles and when I bought it (third owner) first thing I did was a data log, I found out these very same issues, just not that extreme, but yes, detonation due to bad A/F leading to retarded ignition timing, having an A/F of 13 under boost is bad. Based on all this, I have concluded the car has poor quality pistons and the stock tune is crap, you can help the situation by fixing the stock tune, driving it with some love and going easy on the mods... However, with the WRC heritage, the competition (mainly the EVO) and the fact that this is supposed to be a quite sporty vehicle, this is a rather disappointing situation... Once you have invested the money on forged internals and some electronics, the STI becomes a much better vehicle, you have to consider if your love for the car and brand is worth the money and effort necessary to fix Subaru's poor choices. In my case I decided it was worth it and I'm already saving for the engine work... when it happens I'll just fix it.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:29 AM   #152
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Haha Ok listen here son.

If by ****ing bricks you meant asking a question regarding an unusual smell then yes I was terrified.
Then why are you here ridiculing (i.e. "Why did all you guys buy these ticking time bombs.... Omg! Lol! %@&$!!") others worried about other aspects of their cars?

You weren't just scared ****less that there was something wrong with your particular car, you thought it "insane ... in a car that is meant to thrive in these conditions." This demonstrates indignation at the notion that there might be a design flaw in the car itself, that it is unable to do take the simplest of conditions thrown at it.

This is no different than what people are discussing here except you felt the need to ridicule others.

Just sayin'.

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I am trying to put people at ease and tell them to relax about their cars. Run good oil and get a tune.
You could have said it as plainly and in as non-insulting and non-ridiculing a way as that but instead you had to take the low road and make fun of others. Again, just pointing this out.

BTW, as far as running good oil and getting a tune (I'd also add run fuel with an octane rating two points higher than your tune calls for) -- I agree.

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That fact you went to my profile to find something on me is quite hilarious.
I didn't go to your profile but I did a ten-second search to confirm my suspicions.

Anyway, my point's made and am done with this part of this thread. Have a good day.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:38 AM   #153
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Nope I just did my research before I laid out 30k on a new car. I knew about the Ringland and bearing issues but I still got the car. I had an 06 and loved it. I wanted another. Everyone who is complaining about it and it actually haven't even happened to them did not do their homework.

So now some people have their panties in a twist over a car that could experience an expensive failure. I'm assuming your in that category?

Next time I hope others will be more proactive and spend an hour looking online for any issues with a car they are about to buy.
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:36 AM   #154
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Too much arguing going on, not required. Just looking at the facts, for example, that dyno sheet with the COBB watermark, clearly shows problems with the stock tune... that's a fact... if the engines break or not, because of personal driving habits or whatnot, it makes no difference to the fact that the stock map endangers the engine, and must be reflashed as soon as possible. This I can deduct from the dyno sheet, not an opinion but a fact based in data... Mine has around 50k miles and when I bought it (third owner) first thing I did was a data log, I found out these very same issues, just not that extreme, but yes, detonation due to bad A/F leading to retarded ignition timing, having an A/F of 13 under boost is bad. Based on all this, I have concluded the car has poor quality pistons and the stock tune is crap, you can help the situation by fixing the stock tune, driving it with some love and going easy on the mods... However, with the WRC heritage, the competition (mainly the EVO) and the fact that this is supposed to be a quite sporty vehicle, this is a rather disappointing situation... Once you have invested the money on forged internals and some electronics, the STI becomes a much better vehicle, you have to consider if your love for the car and brand is worth the money and effort necessary to fix Subaru's poor choices. In my case I decided it was worth it and I'm already saving for the engine work... when it happens I'll just fix it.
I agree with this. however I don't think forged pistons are necessary for a basic stage 2 build. I think people are "overly" worried about this and I don't blame them as I was too at one point. From what I've seen this began to be a problem in 07 and what changed in 07 is the stock tune ran way too lean in to boost. I don't think much has changed with the pistons
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Old 03-18-2014, 02:35 PM   #155
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They cant void your warranty bro. Go hit more crack pipe.
Technically no, but how hard is it to put a note in system saying deny each claim due to racing or whatever reason they wanna give
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Old 03-18-2014, 02:37 PM   #156
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Abuse is hard to prove. If you drive in at 6000 miles complaining of a faulty clutch and, upon inspection, it's revealed that the flywheel is purple and blue from overheating and the friction surfaces are gone, they're going to call that "abuse." A spun rod bearing suggests abuse (over-revving, for example) but unless the car's PCM is logging data (e.g. maximum RPM, maximum speed, maximum manifold pressure etc) there's no real way to prove that event occurred because the driver was "abusing" the car. No doubt, but modifications will very much increase the likelihood your warranty claim will be denied.
Abuse doesn't have to be that hard to prove, if they find any clutch material in bell house for example that's enough to say you were abusing the car
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Old 03-19-2014, 01:14 AM   #157
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I agree with this. however I don't think forged pistons are necessary for a basic stage 2 build. I think people are "overly" worried about this and I don't blame them as I was too at one point. From what I've seen this began to be a problem in 07 and what changed in 07 is the stock tune ran way too lean in to boost. I don't think much has changed with the pistons
You're probably right, but if I have to open the engine, I'd rather go with better quality pistons. Will give me peace of mind later.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:07 PM   #158
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You're probably right, but if I have to open the engine, I'd rather go with better quality pistons. Will give me peace of mind later.
I'll probably go with some forged drop ins as well if the time comes. I just don't think it's likely I'll need to.
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Old 03-23-2014, 10:57 AM   #159
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I suspect they'dve come clean if the trans failure in their 08 STI was due to abuse.

We'll never know for sure though.

i believe some where they stated that one of there not so normal drivers had the car for a bit who wasnt use to a manual was driving the car off road and doing some other crazy stuff on dirt roads behind the wheel.
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:09 PM   #160
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Look up what oil to run and keep it stock until your warranty runs out. Do regular oil changes and don't drive it stupid (eg.. 6th gear pulls at WOT on the freeway ) and it will last. Enjoy your car.
Why are high gear pulls bad? I got a 5 speed lgt spec b and occasionally do it but it's usually at at like 3k rpms
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:43 PM   #161
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Why are high gear pulls bad? I got a 5 speed lgt spec b and occasionally do it but it's usually at at like 3k rpms
A lot more strain on the engine. more likely to over boost or boost creep
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Old 03-23-2014, 01:52 PM   #162
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A lot more strain on the engine. more likely to over boost or boost creep
So it's better just to downshift and have it at high Rpms instead
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Old 03-23-2014, 05:42 PM   #163
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So it's better just to downshift and have it at high Rpms instead
Yes. The excessive load comes from going WOT in too high of a gear at too low of engine revolutions.
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