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Old 12-25-2003, 02:27 AM   #1
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Default Luke (or anyone) : SP5000s 205 or 225 on wagon stock rims??

Im going to get the Dunlop SP5000s, but cant decide on the 225/50/16 or 205/55/16. Can anyone post experiences with each and pics would be cool.
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Old 12-25-2003, 01:40 PM   #2
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bump ... and one more question ...

What is the weight of RE92s and SP5000's in both 205/55 and 225/50 ??

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Old 12-25-2003, 04:16 PM   #3
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Ran HTR+s in the 225 size and love them. They will tram more and slide in the snow more than same tire in 205 but extra dry grip rocks.
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Old 12-27-2003, 01:00 AM   #4
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bump for luke since i saw him post after xmas

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Old 12-27-2003, 01:11 AM   #5
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I had one person warn me that gravel/debris spray with 225s against the paint was more bothersome than 205s. That's the only thing giving me pause when I replace the tires. My door sills are torn up enough as it is, i'm not sure I want to make the problem worse.
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Old 12-27-2003, 12:54 PM   #6
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luke! chime in. we all want your opinion. the stock rims are 6.5" wide. by getting 225-50, will we experience so much sidewall rollover (even after pumping up tire pressure) that switching to 225-50 wouldnt be worth it?
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Old 12-27-2003, 03:39 PM   #7
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will you be able to run tire chains without it hitting the fender with 225s
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Old 12-28-2003, 12:25 AM   #8
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will you be able to run tire chains without it hitting the fender with 225s
yeah thats the one thing im worried about. but for me, with snows or all seasons in CA should be fine. any worse conditions i probably wont be on the road.
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Old 12-29-2003, 06:44 AM   #9
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FWIW, I just went with V rated 225/50/16 Cont. ContiExtremeContacts. I am sorely, sorely disappointed. I still haven't decided if my impression is of the tire itself or the 225 width. I have to run 43 lbs. in them just to make them tolerable. I feel completely disconnected from the road. It feels as if the wheel is moving back and forth until the sidewall drags the outer contact of the tire. VERY sloppy.

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Old 12-29-2003, 10:25 AM   #10
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while the added dry grip of the 225's is a good thing as stated they will not be as good in the wet or snow as the 205's .... I recommend 205's for the wagon because many people have had rubbing issues on the wagons with 225's ..... as far as the Conti commnets go ... it's probably the added tread depth you are feeling which all new tires suffer from not the width


weight

205's
RE92's = 21.0
5k's = 21.5

225's
950's = 25.0
5k's = 24.8
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Old 12-29-2003, 11:34 AM   #11
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I had SP-5000s in 225/50 for several months. While I heard no rubbing, I did notice just yesterday (swapping to Azenis from KDWS -- both 205/55) that the plastic front fender wells did show signs of very minor rubbing. I can only assume this happened with the Dunlops.

Nothing I heard (perhaps the stereo was too loud ), but there, nonetheless. I think chains on these tires would have led to real problems, though. I think the 205s might be a better choice.

Edit: I can't say whether the 225s throw significantly more gravel than the 205s because I have mudflaps.
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Old 12-29-2003, 12:05 PM   #12
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I have the Dunlops and love them... See my review here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=432520
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Old 01-15-2004, 05:11 PM   #13
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.... I recommend 205's for the wagon because many people have had rubbing issues on the wagons with 225's .....
Rubbing with 225s on wagons ???

I'm looking to get a set of dedicated summer 16" wheels/tires for my wagon, so I'd like to get some more rubber on the road (ie. 225/50 r16), but I'm concerned about rubbing.

Where does the wagon rub with 225s - against the strut tower? Perhaps 225s would work on a wheel with slightly less offset? For example, I'm looking at some 16" wheels with 53mm offset (as opposed to the stock 55mm) - Does anybody have experience with a setup like this (wagon running 225/50 r16s on 16x6.5 wheel w/53mm offset)?

Like I said, these would be my summer wheels, and I live in California, so I'm trying optimize for dry traction. I have another set of wheels for winter (205/55 r16 Nokian WRs on OEM wheels).
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On my car, the rubbing (what little there was of it) was on the upper inside area: The plastic fenderwell has a sort of bump or seam in it that is a few mm higher (or lower, really) than the rest of the fenderwell. This raised area was slightly notched, as though the inner corner of the front right tire had milled a portion out as the suspension bottomed out, but the rest of the fenderwell looked untouched.
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Old 01-15-2004, 05:46 PM   #15
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Thanks Coati. Is your wagon lowered? If so, do you think that may have contributed to the rubbing?

215/50 r16 seems like another good option. The speedo would read ~2% fast, but I'm cool with that. Why don't 215/50 r16s get more play with folks here? Is it just because of the lack of choices in that size?
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No, totally stock. It has seen a few uneven dirt roads though.
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Rubbing with 225s on wagons ???

I'm looking to get a set of dedicated summer 16" wheels/tires for my wagon, so I'd like to get some more rubber on the road (ie. 225/50 r16), but I'm concerned about rubbing.

Where does the wagon rub with 225s - against the strut tower? Perhaps 225s would work on a wheel with slightly less offset? For example, I'm looking at some 16" wheels with 53mm offset (as opposed to the stock 55mm) - Does anybody have experience with a setup like this (wagon running 225/50 r16s on 16x6.5 wheel w/53mm offset)?

you havent been reading the countless "225s rubbing on wagons" threads eh. well, a lot of people have been seeing rubbing along the rear fender (the outside plastic lip, not the strut), which is why people get their fenders rolled. this happens because the offset was too LOW (people see rubbing as low as 48 offset, eg. rota and OZ, with 225s), so you would want to stick with the 55 or 53 offset. my suggestion: if you want 225 on 16s, then go to a 7inch wide rim, like the 5 or 6 spoke RS wheels. the 6 spoke ones i LOVE! pics are at subaruparts.com or subaruwrxparts.com
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Old 01-16-2004, 01:52 PM   #18
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for the record, I finally went with Yokohama AVS db S2 tires in 205/55WR16 ... Thanks Luke

They are REALLLY quiet and seem to handle very well.
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Just think how much better they will grip if you got 225s. That almost a inch more tread rocks. I have told countless times 225s on stock rims on a wagon with stock ride hight work great. My Victoracers at the track don't even rub and they are the widest of the 225s.
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FWIW, I just went with V rated 225/50/16 Cont. ContiExtremeContacts. I am sorely, sorely disappointed. I still haven't decided if my impression is of the tire itself or the 225 width. I have to run 43 lbs. in them just to make them tolerable. I feel completely disconnected from the road. It feels as if the wheel is moving back and forth until the sidewall drags the outer contact of the tire. VERY sloppy.

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Did you run them on the stock rims? You think it was the rollover of the sidewall (maybe 6.5" is too narrow even though the specs say it's fine), or you think the tires themselves blow?
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Stock rims. Luke says it's the tread depth. *shrug* The RE92s didn't do it when new...that's all I know. I'm not happy with the tires for other reasons, but it is my opinion that the 225s are rolling over on the rim. Maybe the sidewalls of the conti's just aren't stiff enough for a 6.5" wheel.

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Did you run them on the stock rims? You think it was the rollover of the sidewall (maybe 6.5" is too narrow even though the specs say it's fine), or you think the tires themselves blow?
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