Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Motorsports

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-16-2011, 06:34 PM   #1
stil2stock
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 51870
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Vehicle:
06 STI
WRB

Default lug nut question

I'm just looking for some quick input (without the hellaflush, yo crowd chiming in). I'm looking to replace the rusty, worn OEM lugs that are on the STI and was wondering what others are using. I autocross regularly, with R-comps, so they need to hold up to abuse. I used mcgards on my old bugeye for several seasons and they held up great, but I'd rather not spend $100+ and was curious if anyone had other suggestions. I'm considering getting an open-ended lug since my plans are to eventually go to extended studs - but that wont happen on this season's budget, so it's not a requirement.

Someone also pointed these out - anyone tried them:
http://www.race-studs.com/servlet/th...C-Steel/Detail

THANKS
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
stil2stock is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 03-16-2011, 07:26 PM   #2
Rokkit
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 84181
Join Date: Mar 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: CT
Vehicle:
NASA #530 GTS2

Default

The only concern about open ended lugs is corrosion if it's a daily... but steel lugs with the appropriate conical seat to match your wheels will do fine. I use steel open ended ones on my track car - have for about a year and 10 events on R's.
Rokkit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2011, 07:45 PM   #3
stil2stock
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 51870
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Vehicle:
06 STI
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokkit View Post
The only concern about open ended lugs is corrosion if it's a daily... but steel lugs with the appropriate conical seat to match your wheels will do fine. I use steel open ended ones on my track car - have for about a year and 10 events on R's.
hmmm...well, it is my DD too...
stil2stock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2011, 08:13 PM   #4
PitwrkzZ1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 94316
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Northern Westchester
Vehicle:
2002 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stil2stock View Post
hmmm...well, it is my DD too...
I use open ended lugs on my DD and I'm in Syracuse for the winter. I just put some anti-seize on the studs when I put on my snow tires and they came off fine today. No corrosion at all.
PitwrkzZ1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2011, 10:47 PM   #5
CGMDan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 127883
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: PDX
Vehicle:
'09 C63 AMG '99RSTi
'05 CGM STi - RIP

Default

Any cheap chrome ones. When changing the wheels that often, it's relatively easy for the stud to gall up. The chrome is harder and will help prevent galling, or if not will help cut thru the galling. That's not to say you shouldn't change the studs afterwards, but you'll at least make it home.
CGMDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2011, 10:50 PM   #6
stil2stock
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 51870
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Vehicle:
06 STI
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMDan View Post
Any cheap chrome ones. When changing the wheels that often, it's relatively easy for the stud to gall up. The chrome is harder and will help prevent galling, or if not will help cut thru the galling. That's not to say you shouldn't change the studs afterwards, but you'll at least make it home.
gall?
stil2stock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2011, 11:25 PM   #7
HoboBob
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 253560
Join Date: Jul 2010
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Redneck Riviera, SC
Vehicle:
'83 Subaru GL Wagon

Default

Wasnt sure how I was gonna like this but its not to bad, and for $40 shipped to my door off of eBay im not complaining.
Its not as deep a red in person...
HoboBob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2011, 11:50 PM   #8
Leadsled124
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 211350
Join Date: May 2009
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Ventura County, CA
Vehicle:
2006 STI
WRB

Default

These Muteki lugs have actually worked pretty good for me. On and off the track. I had to buy new lugs because the key on the lock lugs i have broke. I was at my tuner at the time and they had these in black laying around. There steel not aluminum so im pretty confident.
I just linked the first thing google popped up on these i did not buy from this vender
http://www.nipponpower.com/product.phtml?p=1103
Leadsled124 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 12:12 AM   #9
Geek Guy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8151
Join Date: Jul 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Rally Tools LLC
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Rally Car
Atlantic Rally Cup Champ!

Default

Geek Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 01:35 AM   #10
CGMDan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 127883
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: PDX
Vehicle:
'09 C63 AMG '99RSTi
'05 CGM STi - RIP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stil2stock View Post
gall?
Galling: A condition whereby excessive friction between high spots results in localized welding with subsequent splitting and a further roughening of rubbing surfaces of one or both of two mating parts.


Having the metal from the studs and/or lugnuts start stripping and get gunked up in the threads, effectively seizing the lugnut on the stud. Sometimes with a powerfull impact gun you can power thru it, but quite often you need to get a breaker bar and snap off the stud.
After a couple years of tracking and autoxing my car with no issues, I had 3 lugs gall up at the same time. 2 on one wheel and 1 on another. after trying several things, we ended up having to snap off the studs.
Since then I've switched to chrome nuts and haven't had any issues.
CGMDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 02:31 AM   #11
sc00by4life
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 97135
Join Date: Sep 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMDan View Post
Having the metal from the studs and/or lugnuts start stripping and get gunked up in the threads, effectively seizing the lugnut on the stud. Sometimes with a powerfull impact gun you can power thru it, but quite often you need to get a breaker bar and snap off the stud.
This is also a problem with any aluminum lug nuts OP might be considering. Aluminum + steel do not mix.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stil2stock View Post
I'm just looking for some quick input (without the hellaflush, yo crowd chiming in).
And you're a toolbag.
sc00by4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 08:40 AM   #12
boost junkie
Top Scoob 009
 
Member#: 68273
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: IAG Performance
Vehicle:
2012 WRX
GD Race Car

Default

^I guess that means you're hellaflush, yo?

Those steel lugs you posted a link to would work perfectly, I have used something similar and never had issues. They'll be coming off and going on a lot so you want steel, aluminum will eventually strip. No sense in getting a fancy colored finish either, they'll look like crap in no time.
boost junkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 08:49 AM   #13
Rokkit
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 84181
Join Date: Mar 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: CT
Vehicle:
NASA #530 GTS2

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00by4life View Post
And you're a toolbag.
Annnnddd here they are... even though they weren't invited. Go back to the wheel forum mr 18x9.5 +19 245's.
Rokkit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 08:54 AM   #14
mav1c
Hoodbridge!
Moderator
 
Member#: 560
Join Date: Nov 1999
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Woodbridge, VA
Vehicle:
2006 STi, 16 Outback
Crystal Gray, Silver

Default

If you're planning to go to longer studs, and you're tracking, I highly recommend the Muteki SR48 lugs. I've been using them for years on my track car. I take the wheels off and on a lot (probably 100+ times since I've had the lugs), and I've never had an issue. The long length makes them much easier to get to on wheels with a very recessed lug hole. And the nice thing is they cover most of the extended stud, so they offer a little more protection from the elements. If you keep a close eye on the classifieds and eBay, you can find a set for <$70.
mav1c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 10:00 AM   #15
wantsti
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 134764
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Lindon, Utah
Vehicle:
04 sti
java black pearl

Default

Is there any lugs that have the little swivel on the bottom like the kics or macgards that are open ended and not $220?
wantsti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 10:12 AM   #16
RB5 Clone
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 30909
Join Date: Dec 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: lastditchracing.net & 03 STI
Vehicle:
RA East Open Class
Champs 07-08-09

Default

nevr-seize the bejeebus out of the wheel studs, and galling/corrosion is history no matter what kinda lugs you choose.
RB5 Clone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 05:01 PM   #17
sc00by4life
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 97135
Join Date: Sep 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokkit View Post
Annnnddd here they are... even though they weren't invited. Go back to the wheel forum mr 18x9.5 +19 245's.
Quote:
Originally Posted by boost junkie View Post
^I guess that means you're hellaflush, yo?

Those steel lugs you posted a link to would work perfectly, I have used something similar and never had issues. They'll be coming off and going on a lot so you want steel, aluminum will eventually strip. No sense in getting a fancy colored finish either, they'll look like crap in no time.
Wow. Way to show maturity guys.

My personal styling preferences have absolutely 0 bearing on my automotive knowledge. Sorry, didn't realize that meant I couldn't help the kiddies who have questions. You don't know where I work, or what I do for a living. Rokkit, maybe you should stick to driving around cones in the parking lots .

And by the way, the toolbag came to the MOTORSPORTS forum instead of the WHEEL AND TIRE forum. Not only will aluminum strip easier, but they will FUSE to the steel studs after extended high temp exposure (same reason I time-serted my brembos).

Last edited by sc00by4life; 03-17-2011 at 05:12 PM.
sc00by4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 05:19 PM   #18
stil2stock
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 51870
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Vehicle:
06 STI
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00by4life View Post
Wow. Way to show maturity guys.


And by the way, the toolbag came to the MOTORSPORTS forum instead of the WHEEL AND TIRE forum.
The toolbag, me, came to the motorsports forum bcs I was specifically looking for the opinions of racers, and racers only - hence my comment about why I came to the MOTORSPORTS forum instead of the WHEEL AND TIRE forum - to avoid people that only care about fads/aesthetics.

Seems like a legit reason to me :shrug: You could have just given your advice (which I appreciate, thank you) without getting your panties in a wad over my [rather benign] comment.

Thanks to those with constructive input.
stil2stock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 05:28 PM   #19
stil2stock
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 51870
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Vehicle:
06 STI
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadsled124 View Post
These Muteki lugs have actually worked pretty good for me. On and off the track. I had to buy new lugs because the key on the lock lugs i have broke. I was at my tuner at the time and they had these in black laying around. There steel not aluminum so im pretty confident.
I just linked the first thing google popped up on these i did not buy from this vender
http://www.nipponpower.com/product.phtml?p=1103
Any problems with the Muteki lug key? I usually use a cordless impact for quick on-and-off at autox, and I've heard others with keys breaking.
stil2stock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2011, 05:41 PM   #20
mav1c
Hoodbridge!
Moderator
 
Member#: 560
Join Date: Nov 1999
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Woodbridge, VA
Vehicle:
2006 STi, 16 Outback
Crystal Gray, Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wantsti View Post
Is there any lugs that have the little swivel on the bottom like the kics or macgards that are open ended and not $220?
Besides the McGards, not that I know of. You don't need it. IMO. Honestly, on a track car, I'd rather not have it. Just one more little thing to possibly fail.
mav1c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 10:39 AM   #21
Homemade WRX
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 33782
Join Date: Mar 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Milton Keynes, UK
Vehicle:
96 3MI Racing
search FIRST, then PM!!!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00by4life View Post
Wow. Way to show maturity guys.
Hold on!! you were the first person to come in and call names. You called the guy a toolbag for no reason

I'd run open steel nuts on my DD for years without issue.
Homemade WRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2011, 11:23 AM   #22
leecea
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 37359
Join Date: May 2003
Vehicle:
2003 WRX

Default

I've been using Gorilla acorn style lug nuts from Summit Racing (they still fit a 19mm hex socket which is convenient). The finish doesn't last too well but I've never had a problem with the threads, unlike the OE nuts. They are long enough to fit 50mm NISMO studs.
leecea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 12:11 AM   #23
eastcoastbumps
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 29201
Join Date: Nov 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Shrewsbury, MA
Vehicle:
BMW M3
Honda S2000x2

Default

I use the lug nuts in the OP's link. Basic cheap 17mm nut. You can (obviously) use a smaller socket with the 17mm vs a 19mm, so there is less chance of damaging a wheel. You also don't have to deal with keys or special sockets.
eastcoastbumps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 03:50 AM   #24
UP2MTNS
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 112405
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: San Francisco
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Rally Car
Silver, Black, and Decals

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00by4life View Post
Wow. Way to show maturity guys.

My personal styling preferences have absolutely 0 bearing on my automotive knowledge. Sorry, didn't realize that meant I couldn't help the kiddies who have questions. You don't know where I work, or what I do for a living.

yet, you couldn't come into this thread and just give that opinion, could you? you HAD to insult the guy, for no reason, eh?



Quote:
Originally Posted by mav1c View Post
If you're planning to go to longer studs, and you're tracking, I highly recommend the Muteki SR48 lugs. I've been using them for years on my track car. I take the wheels off and on a lot (probably 100+ times since I've had the lugs), and I've never had an issue. The long length makes them much easier to get to on wheels with a very recessed lug hole. And the nice thing is they cover most of the extended stud, so they offer a little more protection from the elements. If you keep a close eye on the classifieds and eBay, you can find a set for <$70.

glad to hear it, I just got these for the rally car, hopefully they'll work out. Certainly a good price.
UP2MTNS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 07:42 PM   #25
DutchOven
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 220629
Join Date: Aug 2009
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Vehicle:
2010 White WRX Hatch
2015 White WRX Limited

Default

I have the Mcguard spline drives, which are like the ones stated above: a spinning seat on the bottom. They're steel so they're quite strong. I've had several track days on them and the black finish is holding up just fine. Only weakness is the key, which is very light and feels like it could break anytime.



http://www.oakos.com/Merchant2/merch..._Code=MCG84236

I might just get those lugs in the original post but the seat area looks so small
DutchOven is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Lug Nut Question scooterpie555 Tire & Wheel 3 03-11-2005 03:05 AM
Lug nut question Baab's Rex Tire & Wheel 5 06-22-2004 01:06 PM
Lug nut questions INTEGRAtoWRX Brakes, Steering & Suspension 13 02-04-2003 09:43 AM
lug nut question scrager Brakes, Steering & Suspension 1 04-03-2002 12:44 AM
MY01 Impreza lug nuts questions.. RSarte Newbies & FAQs 2 08-14-2001 08:59 AM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:16 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.