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05-22-2013, 09:33 AM | #3626 |
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I thought you sold yours out of fear it would break down. Didn't ever hear about your experience with it actually leaving you stranded. No wonder you can't help but rag on the tdi's. I would, too.
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05-22-2013, 09:51 AM | #3627 | |
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I wanted VWoA to extend my warranty because I feared that the fuel leak caused damage to the rubber/plastic/painted parts the fuel came into contact with. The owners manual warns that diesel fuel must be cleaned from rubber/plastic/painted parts immediately with warm soapy water to prevent future deterioration of the parts. Because my TDI broke down on a national holiday, the car sat soaking in its fuel for 30+ hours before the dealership in Mechanicsburg could look at it. So I asked VWoA to give me a 5-year extended warranty on all plastic and rubber parts in the engine compartment and on the underside of the car, as well as on the rear hatch, because that's where the fuel flowed as I was driving down the highway. VWoA refused this request, claiming that they would handle such problems "on a case-by-case basis." I considered that to be a BS response to my situation, so I sold the TDI and bought the Impreza. It's really a pity. I loved that TDI, and strongly feel that if it had the reliability of a Toyota/Honda/Mazda/Subaru, it would easily be the best car on the road for under $30k. But it doesn't have that reliability, so it's simply not worth the grief. |
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05-22-2013, 07:22 PM | #3628 |
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I am concerned about the high pressure fuel pump failures. I came very close to trading in the Impreza, very close.
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05-22-2013, 07:57 PM | #3629 |
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Yeah, the HPFP is a legitimate TDI concern. So is intercooler icing when the outdoor temp is right around 32*F. And the exhaust flap failures. And Diesel Particulate Filter clogging/cracking. And problems with the various O2 sensors. And an assortment of other emissions issues. And water pump failures. And....
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05-22-2013, 09:20 PM | #3630 |
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I did the math. If I drove the car for 60k miles, I would only be saving ~$4,400.00 with the MPG and price per gallon taken into consideration. Not worth it for the reliability issues the car has. Impreza = reliable ratings, Jetta TDI = not so much.
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05-22-2013, 09:32 PM | #3631 |
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Good choice. Even so, I'd like to know what assumptions you used when you came up with your $4.4k saved in only 60k miles. That sounds aggressive.
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05-23-2013, 08:15 AM | #3632 | |
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Assumptions (based on current fuel prices at my fueling station near Rochester, NY):
So you see, I'm not sure how you came up with your $4.4k of fuel savings with the TDI. The fuel economy numbers you see above are very close to the number I see with my Impreza (when averaging across winter and summer driving), and are what I saw with my TDI (also averaged over an entire year to account for summer and winter fuel blends). But you can't only look at fuel costs when figuring these things out. For example:
So you see, when you take everything into account and not just fuel, the TDI is actually the more expensive car to drive and own. Any TDI owner who thinks he's being more economical than he would have been had he purchased a Subaru/Honda/Toyota/Mazda is just fooling himself. The only honest justification for buying a VW over a Subaru/Honda/Toyota/Mazda is because the VW is a beautiful car to drive (when it's not in the shop). The VW won't be more reliable, and it won't be cheaper to own, regardless of the impressive AVG MPG numbers shown on the TDI's dashboard. Last edited by sgoldste01; 05-23-2013 at 09:03 AM. |
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05-23-2013, 10:43 AM | #3633 |
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Unleaded here is 4.299, diesel 4.059. Diesel went up a nickel when gas went up 60 cents
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05-23-2013, 10:53 AM | #3634 | |
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By the way, it's very common for the delta between gas and diesel prices to be the highest during the cold months, as that's when the supply for diesel fuel is the most limited because the fuel stock is also used to provide heating oil. |
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05-23-2013, 11:07 AM | #3635 | |
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05-23-2013, 11:26 AM | #3636 |
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One thing this thread illustrates- how much TDI's suck!
Any word on your car, JRobb?? |
05-23-2013, 03:12 PM | #3637 | |
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I'm sure nothing is going to change from the first oil consumption test they did in which the oil level was down exactly a qaurt in 1100 miles, but SOA is making me jump through their hoops. |
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05-23-2013, 03:20 PM | #3638 |
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What exactly are they trying to prove on this extended consumption test? Have you been in contact with someone from Customer/Dealer services at SOA? I would be in contact with them if you haven't already.
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05-23-2013, 03:47 PM | #3639 |
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No, I haven't been in direct contact with anyone from SOA. According to the dealer, SOA ordered an additional, extended oil consumption test when the dealership contacted them to get the green light to rip into the engine. I was told by the tech that this is something brand new that SOA is doing to test for oil consumption. Its kind of a pain, but I'm certain it'll get fixed eventually.
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05-23-2013, 04:10 PM | #3640 |
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When I was having problems with my first 2012 Impreza, I was dealing with the dealer (who was dealing with SOA) and I was interacting with SOA directly. I found it quite useful to have someone from within SOA that I could talk to about my situation. In my dealings it really was helpful for me to contact customer/dealer services and now I am a happy customer. Their email address is: [email protected] Just passing on info!
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05-23-2013, 06:56 PM | #3641 | |
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Factor in the DSG transmission service every 40k and you're saving even less. That's why I ditched mine for the Impreza and not once have I regretted it! |
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05-23-2013, 09:02 PM | #3642 |
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05-24-2013, 09:58 PM | #3643 | |
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I agree with reliability, so far as my impreza has been fully reliable and as I drive it more and more, I am liking it more and more. I especially like the CVT for commuting and the simplicity of the car. I am not one for gadgets and crap - But as you stated the refinement of the VW GTI is missed. Things like the steering wheel the seats and overall ergonomics, oh man the seats are awesome. I cant speak for the TDI but the torque of the GTI is what I miss most! HP means nothing, torque is everything and that is the main thing that the impreza is missing. I have learned to deal and work around it, but it can be quite annoying in certain situations. But I feel the need to say, My GTI was super reliable, fun and efficient. Sorry your TDI was not. I really do miss it.. seriously everyday!!! The car was not just transportation, you wanted to take little trips everywhere, made any trip fun, In my experience not many cars can do this, the impreza unfortunately does not posses this IMO (can't explain) So.. to all with oil consumption problems, best advice is open a file with Subaru and stay dilligent. And if all fails just move on... you will be so much happier on a daily basis, no need to live everyday with stress and a fight. I have seriously not been happy with the MPG of the impreza, has improved some recently, still far from my expectations, but when nearing the end of the warranty, I will make a decision and move on. I know that is not an easy financial situation for some but I think you will be happier with less stess... JMO. Good Luck. To each its own... and VW has been good to me ove the years... and So Far so has Subaru... Hope it continues..... |
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05-28-2013, 01:04 AM | #3644 |
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Darn it, just had our 12 months service and yet again it's way over the full mark this Time 20mm.
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05-28-2013, 06:14 AM | #3645 |
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05-28-2013, 09:49 AM | #3646 |
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Started my oil consumption test 2 weeks ago. Apologies but it's in Canadian:
In the first 560 km consumed 0.6 Liters. In the next 1000 km consumed 0.3 Liters. (odd, it's all highway driving) And i'm due back tomorrow. In Canada my really average dealer told me consuming 1 Liter in 1200 Km is acceptable. I got a little confused because in the manual and online Subaru states that 1 Liter in 2000 Km is acceptable. As soon as I mention that the service guy corrects himself, of course. :skeptical: The guy behind the service desk tried to convince me that I should only be checking my oil when it is hot. As in, immediately after shutting the vehicle off. The manual says "wait a few minutes after shutting off the vehicle to let the oil drain back into the oil pan". But I was taught to check my oil stone cold, always. And sure enough the dealer over-filled my car with oil by about a 1/4 inch each time they've topped off the oil so far. Not fun when other people's hands are on my car. :/ |
05-28-2013, 09:54 AM | #3647 | |
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05-28-2013, 10:06 AM | #3648 | |
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05-28-2013, 06:39 PM | #3649 |
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Totally understand your train of thought and logic, and I agree. I most def will be keeping this car at least til warranty, thankfully paid off. After that not sure... I do love the AWD of the impreza, and although the CVT takes some getting used to, I would not want this car with a m/t, JMO. For the pwr and torque, really just an annoyance for my needs.
So far Subaru gets my nod for reliability. It's funny in bad weather, this car feels like a little truck almost.... Love this car in the rain. I am just so happy mine does does not have an oil consumption problem. I can only imagine how much that must suck!... GodSpeed to any with problems...... The devil is not to disrespect.. Just has become my thing due to some j/a$$es they know who they are.... sorry. Good Luck! |
05-28-2013, 06:49 PM | #3650 |
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i agree. if i had an oil consumption problem, that would totally change my view of my car (while i'm mildly disappointed in my mileage, that is more than offset by all the other superlatives of this car). hopefully the few that have problems can get them addressed by SOA.
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