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Old 04-27-2014, 09:42 PM   #5251
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This thread is now over 213 pages/5300 posts... is there some way a summary could be written up and stickied?

I mean, I have my own opinions after 35k miles in my 13 Sport. The light never comes on, but it does consume oil. I honestly don't want to read the entire thread before posting, and don't want to look like an idiot for posting without doing it.
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Old 04-27-2014, 10:07 PM   #5252
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post away, no one will blame you- thats why I have mentioned for hundreds of pages tue trolling and off-topicry...

lol let me summarize...
Peoples cars showed oil loss, strangely others trolled and belittled. Subaru quietly admits there is a problem, but only after denying it and pissing off many owners. Problem still persisting. They say its normal and even decorate service depts with oil info placcards, explaining how its normal to top off new cars from day one when they are guzzling oil. At that same time a tsb was quietly released that contradicted the other statements they had made about oil loss.
Now there are plenty of oil burning unhappy subaru owners all over the web.
As soon as one troll goes away, another comes back for more. Thus, the actual discussion is effectively derailed, buried, or otherwise disrupted.
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Old 04-27-2014, 10:36 PM   #5253
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Nice. Ok, here's my take on it -

99% of CVT Imprezas never had the rings properly set during break-in. The CVT is programmed to short shift for max mpg. It also has an extra (simulated) 'overdrive gear' to keep revs down for hwy mpg. The motor never gets up into the power band and rings don't get properly set.

Of course by this logic, this is the same type of consumption that would appear on any motor with bad rings, accompanied by oily exhaust and compression loss. Easy enough to check and identify. I think it would be worthwhile to track which suspect motors are in CVT cars compared to 5MT cars.

If the rings are properly set, consumption would be a different type. Easier to set them initially and check it on a manual. Get a fresh oil change then pull into the power band, between 4k to 6k. Smell that? That's the smell of 0w oil vaporizing every time you use the motor.

This type of consumption will vary depending on driving habits.

What I call 'using the motor' would probably be classified by Subaru as 'severe driving'. Then again, they also include downshifting, humid conditions, and idling in traffic under their definition of 'severe driving'.

I'm up to 35k miles in my 2013. The oil light has never come on. My consumption rate is pretty consistent at half a quart about every 1200-1500 miles. I try not to go over 4000 miles between oil changes; the motor doesn't like it.
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Old 04-27-2014, 10:51 PM   #5254
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I'm up to 35k miles in my 2013. The oil light has never come on. My consumption rate is pretty consistent at half a quart about every 1200-1500 miles. I try not to go over 4000 miles between oil changes; the motor doesn't like it.
Maybe yours, but not all. Mine is perfectly happy up to 7500 miles and beyond on a single change as proven by multiple UOA's.

At about 60 miles, i did 2 near redline pulls through 3rd gear, otherwise my breakin was by the book. I usually shift around 4k even after 44k miles. I didn't use cruise until 1600 miles, and i varied rpms a lot during the first 1600 miles.

I use about .5-.7qt/7500miles
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Old 04-27-2014, 10:53 PM   #5255
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Maybe yours, but not all. Mine is perfectly happy up to 7500 miles and beyond on a single change as proven by multiple UOA's.

At about 60 miles, i did 2 near redline pulls through 3rd gear, otherwise my breakin was by the book. I usually shift around 4k even after 44k miles. I didn't use cruise until 1600 miles, and i varied rpms a lot during the first 1600 miles.

I use about .5-.7qt/7500miles
That's great - I'm jealous. Now look at our locations. Do you have to fight NYC/NJ traffic every day? Different usage patterns, and air quality may also be a factor.
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:45 AM   #5256
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That's great - I'm jealous. Now look at our locations. Do you have to fight NYC/NJ traffic every day? Different usage patterns, and air quality may also be a factor.
Nope, my commute is 41 miles, 39 of which are some sort of highway and 3 stop signs and 4 lights. Engine is turning 3000-3500rpm for most of it
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Old 04-28-2014, 12:43 PM   #5257
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this may be a stupid question,

how do you check oil level with dip stick when the oil on the dip stick looks vertical line instead of nice horizontal looking line?


I was on my way to work, and I got low oil light, so I got to parking lot and check oil....
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Old 04-28-2014, 12:45 PM   #5258
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this may be a stupid question,

how do you check oil level with dip stick when the oil on the dip stick looks vertical line instead of nice horizontal looking line?
make sure your spot is level first
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Old 04-28-2014, 12:49 PM   #5259
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Roll your car on to its side before checking the oil level.

The dipstick setup isn't the best on our cars. You might have to wait a while after shutting off the engine for the oil to drip out of the tube.
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:00 PM   #5260
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make sure your spot is level first
I think it's level surface.. (http://tinyurl.com/mufbq3n)

I parked at one of those multiple story park and ride top floor where it's flat

and before I got to parking lot, I was stuck in traffic with light on, and I turn off and on the car, and after that I drove at least 20 minutes on freeway 55~65mph and light was off during that time

it's funny that low oil pressure light is red and actual low oil light is yellow..

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Roll your car on to its side before checking the oil level.

The dipstick setup isn't the best on our cars. You might have to wait a while after shutting off the engine for the oil to drip out of the tube.


Thanks for the input, I'll check after work
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:03 PM   #5261
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it's funny that low oil pressure light is red and actual low oil light is yellow..
Why?

Yellow light = $5
Red light = $5,000
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:19 PM   #5262
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Just a followup.

I just checked my wife's 2014 Impreza and it was a 1/2 quart down. So, 1 qt down at 1500 miles, topped off with 5W/20 and now at 2500 miles, down a 1/2 qt. The dealer will be doing a consumption test once we get to 3000 miles.

She is the primary driver and doesn't drive it hard. We do drive it to the mountains to go skiing, but I don't think that qualifies as "severe conditions".
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:00 PM   #5263
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Just a followup.

I just checked my wife's 2014 Impreza and it was a 1/2 quart down. So, 1 qt down at 1500 miles, topped off with 5W/20 and now at 2500 miles, down a 1/2 qt. The dealer will be doing a consumption test once we get to 3000 miles.

She is the primary driver and doesn't drive it hard. We do drive it to the mountains to go skiing, but I don't think that qualifies as "severe conditions".
the entire continent is considered severe by soa. I'm about 20 miles north of disney world and apparently its SEVERE!
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:03 PM   #5264
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The dipstick setup isn't the best on our cars. You might have to wait a while after shutting off the engine for the oil to drip out of the tube.
Very true. I've had my oil level vary by over 1/2 quart in the same day because I checked the dipstick the first time after the car had been sitting for a couple hours and the second time I checked only a few minutes after the shutting off the engine. I was also parked in two different locations, but both spots appeared to be level.

The dealership has always told me to check the oil level no less than 5 minutes and no more than 10 minutes after the engine has been shut off for the most accurate reading. Also, the oil level will read a little higher, or lower depending on which side of the dipstick you look at. I was told to always go by the lower side.

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Old 04-28-2014, 02:28 PM   #5265
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I think it's level surface.. (http://tinyurl.com/mufbq3n)

I parked at one of those multiple story park and ride top floor where it's flat

and before I got to parking lot, I was stuck in traffic with light on, and I turn off and on the car, and after that I drove at least 20 minutes on freeway 55~65mph and light was off during that time

it's funny that low oil pressure light is red and actual low oil light is yellow..





Thanks for the input, I'll check after work
i would be willing to bet it isn't flat. just a small deviation makes a huge difference for some reason on this car. my other vehicles aren't so finicky about perfectly level.

i always check mine in a verified level spot (4ft level used). i have been burned in the past by checking the impreza elsewhere and thinking it was 1/2qt low to only get home and check it and find out I way overfilled it (probably didn't need any)
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The dealership has always told me to check the oil level no less than 5 minutes and no more than 10 minutes after the engine has been shut off for the most accurate reading.
I can't imagine why this level of timing precision is required. I would expect them to suggest waiting at least 5 or 10 minutes before checking the oil level. But what harm could there be in waiting MORE than 10 minutes?

I generally check my cars' oil levels when the engine is stone cold, so clearly I'm waiting more than 10 minutes.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:12 PM   #5267
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I can't imagine why this level of timing precision is required. I would expect them to suggest waiting at least 5 or 10 minutes before checking the oil level. But what harm could there be in waiting MORE than 10 minutes?

I generally check my cars' oil levels when the engine is stone cold, so clearly I'm waiting more than 10 minutes.
+1 I also find it a lot easier to read the oil level when its dead cold
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I can't imagine why this level of timing precision is required. I would expect them to suggest waiting at least 5 or 10 minutes before checking the oil level. But what harm could there be in waiting MORE than 10 minutes?

I generally check my cars' oil levels when the engine is stone cold, so clearly I'm waiting more than 10 minutes.
You make a good point. I also don't feel that there is really any harm in waiting until the vehicle is cold to check the oil level. From what I've been told, however, is that oil level readings can possibly vary between a warm and cold engine. I think that they want you to wait long enough for the oil to drain back down, but check the level while the engine is still hot/warm. IDK, I guess it doesn't really matter as long as your consistent in when / how you check the oil level.
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Yes that is the key.
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so I checked oil level after work it was at the lower dot.

I bought pennzoil 0w-20 and fram ultra synthetic filter and replaced oil

last time it was in December and 11000 miles now about 15300mi.

also replaced air filter with K&N and found couple of dead bees...

Thanks for the help everyone
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Hey everybody,

I'm about to pick up a 2014 Impreza with a cvt on Wednesday. I'm planning on using the paddle shifters to get it to hold ~ 4000 rpms for a little longer than the auto mode wants to. I'm going to avoid downshifting /compression braking, and I'm going to take the long way to work for the first 1000 miles instead of the highway. Sound good for a new engine hard break in?

My wife has a 2012 Impreza with a cvt that she got used with 7000 miles on it. No idea how that engine was broken in, but hers does lose about 1qt every 3000 miles right now. We're keeping an eye on that.
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I'm going to avoid downshifting /compression braking....
I would argue that avoiding downshifting and engine braking is the wrong thing to do. These are the very kinds of activities that help seat the rings properly.

For the first 1000 miles, DO downshift and engine brake, but do it in a way that won't exceed 4k RPM.
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I would downshift a lot.
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Hey everybody,

I'm about to pick up a 2014 Impreza with a cvt on Wednesday. I'm planning on using the paddle shifters to get it to hold ~ 4000 rpms for a little longer than the auto mode wants to. I'm going to avoid downshifting /compression braking, and I'm going to take the long way to work for the first 1000 miles instead of the highway. Sound good for a new engine hard break in?

My wife has a 2012 Impreza with a cvt that she got used with 7000 miles on it. No idea how that engine was broken in, but hers does lose about 1qt every 3000 miles right now. We're keeping an eye on that.
I'm wondering how many people traded in their oil guzzlers. This is one car I would never buy used.
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VanBortel said it was a loaner. Apparently they sell them every model year and replace them. She got a great deal on a 7 yr 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty. We're not too worried about it.

And I'll do a bit of compression braking on the '14
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